Darth Bane vs Darth Sion

If this Jedi you claim is so inferior, how was he able to kill three Sith Lords of such great power?

It's called 'plot convenience. Sion was never defeated physically, only mentally. Nihilus lost to the Exile because he weakened himself by trying to drain her, and Traya really didn't strike me as wanting to butcher her student whom she'd trained the entire time just because she's feeling contrary. If anything, Traya indicates that she wants the Exile to live because a) she can be of help to Revan and b) what the Exile thinks and does matters to her.

It's very possible that the Exile could kill Revan.

It's also very possible that Ewoks invented the hyperdrive and are secretly just playing dumb.

But I don't think blind speculation really helps us here; Revan pretty much pissed all over all comers. The Exile was very very good, but certainly not an equal. The Jedi Masters themselves even note that Revan was greater in the Force. And it's something to be said that while the Jedi Masters were able to overcome the Exile, they could not overcome Traya nor could they dominate Revan.

Just a point of contention: Given Traya's rather draconian style, I'd honestly wonder if she didn't fight to her fullest as the Exile's final test...I'm sure she didn't want the Exile to die, but if the exile couldn't defeat Traya how could she face the True Sith Empire with Revan? Traya said the Apprentice must kill her master-or die

Good point. However, I did find it a bit odd that Traya can just floor Sith assassins, cow Sion, cow Atris, and then murder three powerful Jedi masters with as much effort as it takes for me to scratch my chin. And then suddenly the Exile beats her in single combat.

I just find it odd that the Exile would 'suddenly' be that good.

Of course, I still have my suspicions that Darth Nihilus was a shade or doppleganger of the Exile except now canon and Legacy of the Force depictions have trampled the idea. Still, it would explain why Nihilus speaks backwards and his mask gives you the final boost in Force powers.

I think part of it could indeed be the Exile's natural abilities at play, plus her time with Traya. It's clear as a Wound, the Exile's potential is pretty large. I do find it hard to believe Traya would sacrifice herself to an Exile incapable of killing her straight up. Much as she loved her, everything hinged on the Exile's strength

But what gain could Traya get from staying alive while killing the Exile?

I honestly don't think Traya stood to gain anything from that fight one way or the other:

Either the Exile rises above and kills Traya full on so she dies happy and content in her views...or Traya's views were wrong, the Exile dies and Traya likely commits suicide in sheer despair...

Though, personally, I think Traya knew it was very likely the Exile'd kill her. Given how well they knew one another, Traya's force abilities, such as drain would be totally ineffective on the Exile, and and theyd know one another's skills

Originally posted by Darth Hord
First of all the exile is a she.

No, my Exile is a He.

Nihilus was weakened when trying drain her but couldnt because she was a wound in the force.

This doesn't disprove Nihilus' power. The fact that he decimated a planet still remains. Plus, there was circumstance as to why Nihilus was defeated. You just said them for me.

Sion's saber skill is still an unknown and she convinced him to die we dont know the exact details of how she did that or how close the duel was actually.

The only thing he could do was convince and persuade Sion because he was undefeatable.

Traya is the only one which we can legitimately say she is stronger than. Yet she holds revan with such high esteem and makes comments like him being the heart of the force.

Your point being what, exactly?

And dont underestimate malak he was very powerful. his duel with revan on the star forge was an epic one and he was described as nearly unstoppable.

Yeah, he was forced to drain Republicans of their energy because he was normally weak. He needed outside sources of power to fuel himself. Did Sion? Nihilus? Traya?

Not so much. I didn't see them sucking energy from other life forms to defeat a single opponent. I saw them perform amazing features independently.

Originally posted by Thousand
No, my Exile is a He.
The canon exile is a SHE, so that is what we refer as.

This doesn't disprove Nihilus' power. The fact that he decimated a planet still remains. Plus, there was circumstance as to why Nihilus was defeated. You just said them for me

I never said it didnt Nihilus is easily in the top 5 sith. And the circumstance proves that if she wasn't a wound in the force she would have died on the ravager.

Have you seen janus's post? It says everything that im trying point out on how her victories have circumstance thattake away from them.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
It's called 'plot convenience. Sion was never defeated physically, only mentally. Nihilus lost to the Exile because he weakened himself by trying to drain her, and Traya really didn't strike me as wanting to butcher her student whom she'd trained the entire time just because she's feeling contrary. If anything, Traya indicates that she wants the Exile to live because a) she can be of help to Revan and b) what the Exile thinks and does matters to her.

Her wins over Sion and Nihilus could be described as a fluke because she was lucky that she was wound and if she didnt have great persuasion skills she would have died. And Traya lost had some interesting facts as it says above.

Originally posted by Thousand
Yeah, he was forced to drain Republicans of their energy because he was normally weak. He needed outside sources of power to fuel himself. Did Sion? Nihilus? Traya?

Not so much. I didn't see them sucking energy from other life forms to defeat a single opponent. I saw them perform amazing features independently.

Malak is by no means a weakling. And so what if he drained the jedi to make himself more powerful to try and defeated a single opponent. Considering that single opponent is Revan aka the guy who traya call the heart of the force, and the same guy that pod bane is scarred to try some of his techniques from the holocron. The only smember of the triumvirate that could rival revan in power is Nihilus. And Nihilus DOES need an outside source to feed his hunger hence the reason he drains planets and people. And how does he do it, by his drain.

Originally posted by Janus Marius

It's also very possible that Ewoks invented the hyperdrive and are secretly just playing dumb.

Sorry, just had to mention: tickled the funny bone. 😆 you may continue

I never said it didnt Nihilus is easily in the top 5 sith. And the circumstance proves that if she wasn't a wound in the force she would have died on the ravager.

Thank you?

Her wins over Sion and Nihilus could be described as a fluke because she was lucky that she was wound and if she didnt have great persuasion skills she would have died. And Traya lost had some interesting facts as it says above.

I'm aware most of them lost to particular circumstance. That's why you'd think it would not be an unexistent possibility for them to kill either Malak or Revan.

BTW, there is no evidence that indicates Traya was holding back. She even tried to kill the Exile with floating Lightsabers. I personally think she drove to destroy the first (Her mission in the first place) and utilized the void (Exile) and when he had outlived his purpose and she learned he was essentially not working out, she wanted him alleviated from life.

Malak is by no means a weakling. And so what if he drained the jedi to make himself more powerful to try and defeated a single opponent. Considering that single opponent is Revan aka the guy who traya call the heart of the force, and the same guy that pod bane is scarred to try some of his techniques from the holocron. The only smember of the triumvirate that could rival revan in power is Nihilus. And Nihilus DOES need an outside source to feed his hunger hence the reason he drains planets and people. And how does he do it, by his drain.

He did not drain Jedi, he was draining SOLDIERS.

And what is this bullshit? Traya could be biased. How the hell do you know she isn't biased? You can't go by what she says. That's ridiculous. She could hold a prejudice and it could have been a device for manipulation.

Malak isn't a weakling but any of the three within the newer Triumvirate would put him to shame.

Originally posted by Thousand
'm aware most of them lost to particular circumstance. That's why you'd think it would not be an unexistent possibility for them to kill either Malak or Revan.

Malak is a possibility but revan i highly doubt sion or traya could beat.

In a sion vs revan, revan has been called very charismatic yuthara, he did convince many jedi including masters to join him and the republic which leads me to believe to believe he has the persuasion skills necessary to beat Sion.Revan vs traya. id still say revan due how highly traya praises with comments like the heart of the force

Originally posted by Thousand
He did not drain Jedi, he was draining SOLDIERS.

And what is this bullshit? Traya could be biased. How the hell do you know she isn't biased? You can't go by what she says. That's ridiculous. She could hold a prejudice and it could have been a device for manipulation.

Malak isn't a weakling but any of the three within the newer Triumvirate would put him to shame.

Which one u talking about with the drain? Because malak does drain the captive jedi as it clearly says in the databank.
The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs. Malak was nearly unstoppable

And Nihilus does drain jedi and other force users such as on katarr killing the jedi then an he does try the exile on the ravager but couldnt because she is a wound in the force. And i did originally say that traya was the one she did legitimately beat but Janus and Lightsnake brought up interesting points regarding traya's personality . And can we please get on track with Bane vs Sion ,if u want to continue the discussion than i suggest you make a revan vs exile thread or something which i will respond to a little later on seeing as a i have to go to work now

Malak is a possibility but revan i highly doubt sion or traya could beat.

In a sion vs revan, revan has been called very charismatic yuthara, he did convince many jedi including masters to join him and the republic which leads me to believe to believe he has the persuasion skills necessary to beat Sion.Revan vs traya. id still say revan due how highly traya praises with comments like the heart of the force

Yes, Revan may possibly wear Sion down with persuasion but if he screws up and they end up in a Lightsaber duel, It's over for Revan.

Traya? I think she'd try to protect herself and boost Revan's ego and then surprise attack him. She's that manipulative.

Which one u talking about with the drain? Because malak does drain the captive jedi as it clearly says in the databank.
The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs. Malak was nearly unstoppable

Ah, I see. Regardless, he needed the power from Jedi to stand a chance. If he was unprepared, he'd die in battle to any three existing in the Triumvirate. Sion was a good Lightsaber duelist. He was known for his brutality and for personally killing Jedi on the battlegrounds. He cannot be defeated physically so what do you suppose Malak is going to do to Sion? Not much.

As for Traya, she killed three Jedi Elders by extending her arm forward. She is obviously extremely powerful and is gifted when it comes to the force. Not to mention, Traya could probably make Malak commit suicide. She's uber manipulative.

And Nihilus does drain jedi and other force users such as on katarr killing the jedi then an he does try the exile on the ravager but couldnt because she is a wound in the force. And i did originally say that traya was the one she did legitimately beat but Janus and Lightsnake brought up interesting points regarding traya's personality . And can we please get on track with Bane vs Sion ,if u want to continue the discussion than i suggest you make a revan vs exile thread or something which i will respond to a little later on seeing as a i have to go to work now

This post was pointless. It's nothing more than you pointing out the obvious and agreeing with me. Again.

Not to mention, Traya could probably make Malak commit suicide. She's uber manipulative.

how?
when has she convinced jedi or sith to commit suicide

Originally posted by Thousand
No, my Exile is a He.

Originally posted by Thousand

This doesn't disprove Nihilus' power. The fact that he decimated a planet still remains. Plus, there was circumstance as to why Nihilus was defeated. You just said them for me.

Originally posted by Thousand

Yes, Revan may possibly wear Sion down with persuasion but if he screws up and they end up in a Lightsaber duel, It's over for Revan.

Originally posted by Thousand

Traya? I think she'd try to protect herself and boost Revan's ego and then surprise attack him. She's that manipulative.

Originally posted by Thousand

Sion was a good Lightsaber duelist.

Originally posted by Thousand

He was known for his brutality and for personally killing Jedi on the battlegrounds. He cannot be defeated physically so what do you suppose Malak is going to do to Sion? Not much.

Originally posted by Thousand

As for Traya, she killed three Jedi Elders by extending her arm forward.

Originally posted by Thousand

She is obviously extremely powerful and is gifted when it comes to the force.

Originally posted by Thousand

Not to mention, Traya could probably make Malak commit suicide. She's uber manipulative.

Keep trying, all i see is a number 2 fanboy of kotot

Im off of work finally! 😄

Originally posted by Thousand
No, Malak would be destroyed by any of them in one on one combat. Revan? Revan may be able to defeat Traya in physical combat, but Sion? Nihilus? I don't think so.

Tell what in the hell makes Nihilus a physical beast? He has only been one known duel lost it. But all of a sudden he is skilled in lightsaber combat. Revan on the other hand has been in more duels and has defeated the likes of mandalore the ultimate in single combat,he defeated Yusanis who was considered a legendary echani duelist,he has defeated a darkside star forge powered bastilla 4 times, and then went on to face the star forge powered malak who was described a nearly unstoppable. Quite more impressive then anything nihilus or sion has done that we know of in saber combat. (i know that sion is known for killing jedi but who is worthy of mention among them?)

Yes, Revan may possibly wear Sion down with persuasion but if he screws up and they end up in a Lightsaber duel, It's over for Revan.

Traya? I think she'd try to protect herself and boost Revan's ego and then surprise attack him. She's that manipulative.

Ego? Revan is a very smart fighter/strategist i some how doubt he will fall her tricks ?

As for Traya, she killed three Jedi Elders by extending her arm forward. She is obviously extremely powerful and is gifted when it comes to the force. Not to mention, Traya could probably make Malak commit suicide. She's uber manipulative.

Malak is a very capable warrior. At his peak his battle with revan was described an epic one and he was nearly unstoppable. Which obviously means that is was not even close to being a walk in the park. And to further help Revan's case as being stronger than traya he says:You are stronger than I thought; stronger than you ever were during your reign as the Dark Lord." This means that he is stronger now, but malak was still able to put a fight otherwise there would be no need to describe the duel as epic nor would there be a reason to call him nearly unstoppable.

But when was the last time Traya saw Revan? It was obviously before he lost his memory meaning he was still the dark lord. Yet she stills call him "the heart of the force" when it has been YEARS since she last saw Revan so Traya would have almost no idea how powerful Revan has become. Especially since she was absent from the events of kotor 1. And if malak was able to put up a really good fight for this more powerful version of revan, i would even have my doubts that traya could beat SF Malak with as much ease at the very least you make it out to be. One could even argue that Sf malak is more powerful.

As far those three jedi masters go what in the world makes them powerful at all?Or the very least to contend with the top of the kotor tier force users let alone the jedi/sith of the pt era?

This post was pointless. It's nothing more than you pointing out the obvious and agreeing with me. Again.

You misunderstood what i said which is my fault because i originally misunderstood what u said about the drain. So i questioned it and stated a few things about malak's and nihilus's. Then i went on to state my opinion on traya and pointed out that Janus and LS made a few interesting points. And btw the canon version of the exile is a light sided female.

Right, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that sion was even powerful in the force, If he is so uber why does he need idiotic sith assassins to follow him around blowing his dick?

And his so called immortality only takes place in malachor as he himself stated so.

And whats so special about nihilus? His "uber" attack can be blocked by the fallanasi technique and his TK is eclipsed by yodas and palpatines.

Do u know of any video links of that? I have heard it said before but i would like to see it

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Do u know of any video links of that? I have heard it said before but i would like to see it

Originally posted by Manslayer
Im not too sure but you can try searching on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNmVSmIhs

I actually found it, its around the minute 54 mark. I will do my best to quote it

Now you realize the true power of the darkside.....As long the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh I cannot be killed

Then if you pause it at 3.53 he says

I..I still have the power to stop you The Force runs strong through the canyons of Malachor

And interesting enough in regards to what janus and lightsnake have discussed sion says that traya wants to spare the exile to suffer or something like that in the begining of the duel.

I have just finished kicking Sion's ass with my male Exile character.

He mentioned that he could go down 100 hundred times, and still rise. Because all I had to do was stand above him and use "Force Crush" I tried to draw it out for as long as possible, but he gives in after 3 or 4 exchanges. If this is the benchmark for "immortal" or "invincible", then I am not impressed!

The guy is a charming character despite this though. I'd like to know how he ended up in that physical state.