Darth Bane vs Darth Sion

Originally posted by Light_Sith
I have just finished kicking Sion's ass with my male Exile character.

He mentioned that he could go down 100 hundred times, and still rise. Because all I had to do was stand above him and use "Force Crush" I tried to draw it out for as long as possible, but he gives in after 3 or 4 exchanges. If this is the benchmark for "immortal" or "invincible", then I am not impressed!

The guy is a charming character despite this though. I'd like to know how he ended up in that physical state.

Did you notice the part where he stated his immortality on occurs on malachor?

wrong, canonically exile is a she

Don't be ignorant. I specifically said that MY Exile was a HE.

He didnt decimate a planet, he decimated what was on the planet. And dont think nihilus is god with that skill because many people have the fallanasi technique to block it, and the fact that sidious has the same technique as nihilus

Well, he completely ruined all life forms and practically everything on the planet. The planet essentially was destroyed. Try not to take all my statements literally.

The technique you mentioned is irrelevant, seeing as you cannot prove that Revan or Malak has that skill, considering that is the match we are seemingly debating. (As off topic as it may seem.)

He is a God with that skill. He destroy the entire population of a planet. He's practically a God; A Demi God, so to speak.

More kotor fanboyism? So becuz sion is "invincible" NJO luke cant kill him? This is absurd! Firstly his flesh has already cracked and his bones splintered and broken, A force user powerful enough can use the force to decapitate sions body after cutting him with a lightsaber, or use debris and pin him on the floor

Oh my god, you can't debate.

Who the hell was arguing about NJO Luke? What are you on?

Your statement is bullshit. You'd think all the Jedi Sion obliterated would have tried to attempt that on him. If he's strong enough to keep his body together after all the damage you just mentioned, something tells me it's not going to be as simple as using the force to stop him from doing that.

Revan is far superior to traya that you know it. POD explains it all

It depends on what circumstances they fight under. I'm sure Revan could defeat her. Far superior in PHYSICAL and TACTICAL ranges, yes.

Manipulation and persuasion? Fat chance. If Traya manages to persuade Revan properly, she could have her way. Although Revan is quite intelligent himself, he may be able to resist her and see through the walls of deception.

And how do you know that? Good? Maybe but in the league of the best duelers? No since there is nothing to indicate so

Who said anything about him being in the "League of the best"? You need to discontinue placing words in my mouth.

LOL just to let you know sions "immortality" only takes place on malachor as he himself stated that due to the "dark side flowing through his cracks"

Wrong. If he goes anywhere with darkened energies, it boosts his ability to hold that mortality. If he didn't have that mortality anywhere else (As you claim) He'd have fallen apart EVERYWHERE else. Not to mention, if the two did fight, I don't doubt Malak would go to a place festering with dark sided energies. Hell, Malak may even go to Sion, who would have an even more elevated chance of being somewhere abundant with DS energies.

Zomg im impressed. She killed 3 jedi masters who has yet to do anything impressive and who has no defence to her attack

That's the point. She knew they didn't have any form of defense awaiting her attack. If it killed them that quickly as well, it's obviously not a weak form of attack. This only proves her intelligence during intense situations and battle.

Powerful? Yes. Gifted? No? what is her "gift" by the way? Is it like anakins? The chosen one? Or?

It's an exaggeration. I said above; Don't take me so literally. By me saying she has a gift, I'm only trying to express how powerful I think she is, for the sake of elaboration.

Ahahahah that was so funny, biggest shit statement ever made in KMC. Like malak is weak willed, malak would slaughter her in a duel if she tried to do that and he would attempt to kill her

Really? How can you gauge how better he is at dueling compared to Traya? Wait ... you CANNOT.

We can gauge that she's more manipulative seeing as she had a large group of people blinded by her motives for extended periods of time. Malak? No. He had to use DIRECT force to confirm his objectives. (Bombing Revan is an example.)

I also didn't see Malak summon four flying Lightsabers. All I saw him do was drain Jedi to boost his already weakened status.

Keep trying, all i see is a number 2 fanboy of kotot

I'm not a fanboy; I just believe that the Triumvirate are capable of killing Revan and Malak.

You seem to be a KOTOR fanboy, seeing as you don't back up your statements but instead blindly proclaim "Revan can defeat this, Malak can defeat that!."

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, Hypocrite.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Did you notice the part where he stated his immortality on occurs on malachor?

Did u see my post on the last page or are u asking him. Ill put the quote up again anyway.

Now you realize the true power of the darkside.....As long the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh I cannot be killed

Originally posted by Thousand
Wrong. If he goes anywhere with darkened energies, it boosts his ability to hold that mortality. If he didn't have that mortality anywhere else (As you claim) He'd have fallen apart EVERYWHERE else.

No he can hold his body together anywhere but he can only resurrect himself on malachor

I'm not a fanboy; I just believe that the Triumvirate are capable of killing Revan and Malak.

Did u see what i posted on the previous page? Because it answers alot of what your asking i think.I''l repost two of my key points.
This part deals with sion/nihilus saber's skills.

Tell what in the hell makes Nihilus a physical beast as you say he is? He has only been one known duel lost it. But all of a sudden he is skilled in lightsaber combat. Revan on the other hand has been in more duels and has defeated the likes of mandalore the ultimate in single combat,he defeated Yusanis who was considered a legendary echani duelist,he has defeated a darkside star forge powered bastilla 4 times, and then went on to face the star forge powered malak who was described a nearly unstoppable. Quite more impressive then anything nihilus has done that we know of in saber combat.And he can at the very least be a stalemate for Sion in sabers (probably more i believe) and he is more powerful in the force than Sion (i am aware that sion is known for killing jedi but who is worthy of mention among them or powerful at all?)

Then here I proved how Revan and Malak are above traya.

Malak is a very capable warrior. At his peak his battle with revan was described an epic one and he was nearly unstoppable. Which obviously means that is was not even close to being a walk in the park. And to further help Revan's case as being stronger than traya he says:"You are stronger than I thought; stronger than you ever were during your reign as the Dark Lord." This means that he is stronger now, but malak was still able to put a fight otherwise there would be no need to describe the duel as epic nor would there be a reason to call him nearly unstoppable.

But when was the last time Traya saw Revan? It was obviously before he lost his memory meaning he was still the dark lord. Yet she stills call him "the heart of the force" when it has been YEARS since she last saw Revan so Traya would have almost no idea how powerful Revan has become. Especially since she was absent from the events of kotor 1. So that means she also has no way to gauge Revan's or malak's power. And if malak was able to put up a really good fight for this more powerful version of revan, i would even have my doubts that traya could even beat SF Malak with as much ease at the very least you make it out to be. One could even argue that SF malak is more powerful than Revan was as the dark lord.

Malak>traya and possibly Sion depedning on the place of the duel.
Revan>Traya and Sion but I have my doubts with Nihilus

Originally posted by Thousand
Don't be ignorant. I specifically said that [b]MY Exile was a HE.[/B]

Originally posted by Thousand

Well, he completely ruined all life forms and practically everything on the planet. The planet essentially was destroyed. Try not to take all my statements literally.

Originally posted by Thousand

The technique you mentioned is irrelevant, seeing as you cannot prove that Revan or Malak has that skill, considering that is the match we are seemingly debating. (As off topic as it may seem.)

Originally posted by Thousand

He is a God with that skill. He destroy the entire population of a planet. He's practically a God; A Demi God, so to speak.

Oh yes a "god" which got killed by a jedi who was described to be ordinary by the council just that her special ability is forming bonds with other people. Try again

Originally posted by Thousand

Oh my god, you can't debate.

Originally posted by Thousand

Who the hell was arguing about NJO Luke? What are you on?

Originally posted by Thousand

Your statement is bullshit. You'd think all the Jedi Sion obliterated would have tried to attempt that on him. If he's strong enough to keep his body together after all the damage you just mentioned, something tells me it's not going to be as simple as using the force to stop him from doing that.

Originally posted by Thousand

It depends on what circumstances they fight under. I'm sure Revan could defeat her. Far superior in PHYSICAL and TACTICAL ranges, yes.

Traya herself got fcuked when nihilus attempted to kill her

Originally posted by Thousand

Manipulation and persuasion? Fat chance. If Traya manages to persuade Revan properly, she could have her way. Although Revan is quite intelligent himself, he may be able to resist her and see through the walls of deception.

IF she even attempted to talk shit during the duel she would get cleaved in half

Originally posted by Thousand

Who said anything about him being in the "League of the best"? You need to discontinue placing words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Thousand

Wrong. If he goes anywhere with darkened energies, it boosts his ability to hold that mortality.

I will ask again, if he is "immortal" why does he need sith assassins to guide him?

Originally posted by Thousand

If he didn't have that mortality anywhere else (As you claim) He'd have fallen apart EVERYWHERE else.

Originally posted by Thousand

Not to mention, if the two did fight, I don't doubt Malak would go to a place festering with dark sided energies. Hell, Malak may even go to Sion, who would have an even more elevated chance of being somewhere abundant with DS energies.

Originally posted by Thousand

That's the point. She knew they didn't have any form of defense awaiting her attack. If it killed them that quickly as well, it's obviously not a weak form of attack. This only proves her intelligence during intense situations and battle.

Originally posted by Thousand

Really? How can you gauge how better he is at dueling compared to Traya? Wait ... you CANNOT.

Originally posted by Thousand

We can gauge that she's more manipulative seeing as she had a large group of people blinded by her motives for extended periods of time. Malak? No. He had to use DIRECT force to confirm his objectives. (Bombing Revan is an example.)

Originally posted by Thousand

I also didn't see Malak summon four flying Lightsabers. All I saw him do was drain Jedi to boost his already weakened status.

1) Use the force to destroy those sabers
2) Decapitate the hilts as no hands are holding them

So because she used TK to handle a few sabers means shes a good or fantastic duelist? Then i Guess Grievious is 2nd to luke in dueling then. Fantastic logic you have

Originally posted by Thousand

I'm not a fanboy; I just believe that the Triumvirate are capable of killing Revan and Malak.

And wait do we even know if nihilus uber drain is one of his arsenal? Because he only uses it when he hungers so the fact weather he uses it in a fight is unknown

Originally posted by Thousand

You seem to be a KOTOR fanboy, seeing as you don't back up your statements but instead blindly proclaim "Revan can defeat this, Malak can defeat that!."

Originally posted by Thousand

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, Hypocrite.

I'm in agreement with Manslayer here. It's certainly possible that Bane's exceptional command of the force would bypass Sion's ability.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Gameplay mechanics arent canon.

Did you notice the part where he stated his immortality on occurs on malachor?

I don't really care about what is considered Canon in this instance. It is impossible to tell who is stronger if you go by the official powers Sion has, and opinions will be weak.

Back to the game. I noticed that he claimed that he could not be beaten in the particular place he was fighting in. I told him that the place did not matter, and it is the man that counts (or something to that effect).

Unlike with KOTOR 1 I did not read spoilers for this game and had only read random things about him. Some said that you had to "trick" him into "suicide". The end was surprising for me.

If you don't care what's canon, then there's no argument here. I could have taken out a hold-out blaster and repeatedly shot Sion to little effect. I guess that means he can hold himself together after having chunks of tissue vaporized or blown off - in which case he'd be virtually invincible. What you do in your game has no bearing whatsoever in a debate.

As to the fight itself - we have no idea how good Sion is with a saber, just that he should be pretty good. In this case, that's not good enough, so we can't really decide. Nihilus would just drain everyone but the Exile to death.

Originally posted by Faunus
As to the fight itself - we have no idea how good Sion is with a saber, just that he should be pretty good. In this case, that's not good enough, so we can't really decide. Nihilus would just drain everyone but the Exile to death.

We know more of Revan's ligthsaber/dueling skills more than we do of Sion's/traya's/and Nihilus's because the only known duels that have been it against an above the average jedi is the exile and they all lost to her. We know sion kills jedi and probably by lightsaber duel/force duel but who has he killed thatr was noted to be powerful.

And I like how thousand didnt respond to my post which proves that revan and malak are above traya and that revan is above sion too and can give Nihilus at the very least a h*ll of a battle.

Originally posted by Faunus
If you don't care what's canon, then there's no argument here. I could have taken out a hold-out blaster and repeatedly shot Sion to little effect. I guess that means he can hold himself together after having chunks of tissue vaporized or blown off - in which case he'd be virtually invincible. What you do in your game has no bearing whatsoever in a debate.

As to the fight itself - we have no idea how good Sion is with a saber, just that he should be pretty good. In this case, that's not good enough, so we can't really decide. Nihilus would just drain everyone but the Exile to death.

Indeed - there is no worthwhile debate. Carrying on would be like arguing over whose god is more powerful (unless you take superstition seriously). On that note I see no harm in a mention of something even more irrelevant.

Not worthwhile? WTF u talking about were are proving that all members of the triumvirate are not more powerful than Revan or Malak and we are getting the facts straight about the lightsaber skills in check and we have trying to understand how Sion can not die unless he chooses to on malachor

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Not worthwhile? WTF u talking about were are proving that all members of the triumvirate are not more powerful than Revan or Malak and we are getting the facts straight about the lightsaber skills in check and we have trying to understand how Sion can not die unless he chooses to on malachor

Nice to see someone with a sense of homour here 😂

WTF? Thousand, you skip my post entirely?

The fact that you said "your" exile is male is irrelevant. I merely pointed out that exile was a she canonically

No, it's not irrelevant. I refer to MY Exile as a HE. I already knew that the Exile is a female canonically. If you have a seemingly hard time understanding, that's most likely a personal problem.

conceded

Alright.

It is relevant apparantly. Nihilus having that technique doesnt dispute him as a god.

I'll break this down for you:

We know that Nihilus possesses a very deadly technique. If he can diminish a whole planet of force sensitives, He should not have trouble with one that isn't the void of the force. We DO NOT know that Revan or Malak possess the capability to block such a technique.

As I said previously (This is me repeating myself, remember) if he can strip the life off of an entire planet, It basically makes him a Demi God.

Lol a god?

A Demi God, so to speak.

Oh yes a "god" which got killed by a jedi who was described to be ordinary by the council just that her special ability is forming bonds with other people. Try again

A) It's debatable that Traya was holding back during the duel.
B) What the council says is 100% true? Sidious said Yoda was weak and underestimated him. I guess this means Yoda was weak?
C) Yeah, because all she did was "Form bonds". Try again.

Says the one who cant even form cogent arguements

I believe I can. Drop the rhetoric and learn to spell or use spell check. Either or is not difficult.

I am.

It's irrelevant and we're not speaking of him. If you were trying to attempt some sort of simile, you failed in doing so. Move on.

Moron, please read my posts on the last few pages. I said strong force users. Stupid dumb fcuk read my posts before claiming my statements are bullshit.

If you cannot debate without using such foul language, I'll have to report you. What makes you think who he encountered wasn't strong? Can you prove otherwise? The answer is no, most likely.

And not in the force? She admired him. POD stated he had more knowledge about the force than the entire jedi archives and doesnt knowledge equate to power?

Traya herself got fcuked when nihilus attempted to kill her

So, by your logic, the fact that she admired him makes her weaker? Ridiculous. This proves nothing.

Revan holds more knowledge of the force than the Jedi Archives? Is Traya the Jedi Archives? I didn't think so.

Nihilus is arguably more powerful than Revan. This still does not prove Revan to be stronger than Traya. Sorry.

By your logic palpatine would have whooped yodas ass seeing that he is an even better manipulator than traya. Your actually assuming revans going to listen traya admit a lightsaber duel which wont happen.

No, your logical equation is wrong. Traya and Revan are two different people. Plus, Sidious and Yoda fought in different circumstances.

IF she even attempted to talk shit during the duel she would get cleaved in half

How do you know Revan wouldn't listen? He's not a mindless killing machine. He wouldn't just straight up kill her. Even so, What proof do you have that Revan is a better duelist? Really

Because many people are acting like "hes so great" in the arts of the lightsaber

He does have a past of slaying Jedi. I'm sure he's not a poor duelist.

It only boosts him to hold it longer hence why he proclaims himself "invincible" on malachor and please quit defying canon, he himself stated he will never fall on malachor due to the planets extreme dark side aura, His ability wouldnt be as great anywhere else with an inferior dark side energy as we saw on korriban.

What the? Inferior on Korriban? He left a Jedi laying in blood and chased the Exile out of the academy. Like I said earlier, they would most likely fight in an area high with darkened energies seeing as they're both Sith.

Plus, if he's walking everywhere else with that broken body and he's strong enough to keep it together, this says something about his tolerance level. No one defied Canon. I didn't disagree with you.

I will ask again, if he is "immortal" why does he need sith assassins to guide him?

Most Sith Lords have assistance with them and he obviously needs Assassins for dirty work.

It isnt "mortality", it is the ability and capability he has on malachor which wouldnt be with him elsewhere

The ability he has IS with him elsewhere or as I said before, he'd fall apart. He's independently strong enough to hold all the broken bones in his body and his skin together in other places. He says that himself and so do the Republicans on the recording when the Exile is on the Harbinger, is it?

And? malak has been known to use dark side energies to boost him up as he himself did that to the SF

No, he used the energy from Jedi themselves and the Jedi were captive in tanks. From what we've seen, Sion is virtually unstoppable utilizing darkened energies, as seen on Malachor. I don't see Malak holding his body together with pure force. I see him having to use a machine for his missing Jaw.

Quite true actually, but nowhere did i state that was a weak form attacked

I never said you stated it was weak. I'm TELLING you it obviously was not a weak form of attack..

And you can? He defeated kavar and was a saber prodigy like revan, wait. WHAT has kreia done with a lightsaber? What? floating 3 lightsabers = shes a uber duelist? Any good force user can use the force to quickly dismantle and destroy the sabers

I'm not trying to. You appear to be. We don't know what she has done with her Lightsaber. For all you know, she killed a million Jedi in one sitting.

No, not any force user can do that because Traya may be using the force to protect those Lightsabers. The exile didn't dismantle them so easily.

And how is being manipulative relevant to a fight? It only MAY work IF the opponent is listening which in many cases, they dont and instead go-for-the-kill

In most cases, the person may have not been as manipulatory capable as Traya was.

Lol floating 4 sabers means your uber, Malak despite being a great duelist can easily

1) Use the force to destroy those sabers
2) Decapitate the hilts as no hands are holding them

So because she used TK to handle a few sabers means shes a good or fantastic duelist? Then i Guess Grievious is 2nd to luke in dueling then. Fantastic logic you have

How do you know his force is strong enough to disable the lightsabers?

Grievous and Traya are two different entities. Your analysis is poor. Your logic isn't so fantastic, now is it?

No, but Malak may not hold the capacity to handle three lightsabers midair including Trayas.

I partially believe that, the only thing which is going to aid nihilus to kill revan is his drain, other than that revan is superior to him in every aspect.

This is what I'm talking about. You can't prove Revan is better in every other aspect. Stop spewing crapola.

And wait do we even know if nihilus uber drain is one of his arsenal? Because he only uses it when he hungers so the fact weather he uses it in a fight is unknown

What makes you think he won't hunger during the fight? It's highly possible he'll be using the force against Revan and he'll most likely get hungry for more of the force itself.

I already have you moron, did you not see the key word "POD"? Which means path of destruction? And how can i be a fanboy for defending revan and malak? I might as well(I actually already have) label you a kotor2 fanboy seeing that you yourself hasnt formed cogent arguements and where you have yet to prove anything

We're on the same level here. Stop trying to classify me as proof less. I've debunked you on these issues. Stop calling me names. It shows intellectual bankruptcy.

Lol

Right.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
WTF? Thousand, you skip my post entirely?

My apologies, Janus Marius. Could you quote this post for me so I can review it? Thank you.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
If this Jedi you claim is so inferior, how was he able to kill three Sith Lords of such great power?

It's called 'plot convenience. Sion was never defeated physically, only mentally. Nihilus lost to the Exile because he weakened himself by trying to drain her, and Traya really didn't strike me as wanting to butcher her student whom she'd trained the entire time just because she's feeling contrary. If anything, Traya indicates that she wants the Exile to live because a) she can be of help to Revan and b) what the Exile thinks and does matters to her.

It's very possible that the Exile could kill Revan.

It's also very possible that Ewoks invented the hyperdrive and are secretly just playing dumb.

But I don't think blind speculation really helps us here; Revan pretty much pissed all over all comers. The Exile was very very good, but certainly not an equal. The Jedi Masters themselves even note that Revan was greater in the Force. And it's something to be said that while the Jedi Masters were able to overcome the Exile, they could not overcome Traya nor could they dominate Revan.

Figures. It got buried on the second-third page somewhere. This is the main one; I elaborated a bit on it to LS, but if you have gripes I'll address them.

Thousand u all missed mine I''l repost my 2 key points FOR THE 3RD TIME!

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Tell what in the hell makes Nihilus a physical beast as you say he is? He has only been one known duel lost it. But all of a sudden he is skilled in lightsaber combat. Revan on the other hand has been in more duels and has defeated the likes of mandalore the ultimate in single combat,he defeated Yusanis who was considered a legendary echani duelist,he has defeated a darkside star forge powered bastilla 4 times, and then went on to face the star forge powered malak who was described a nearly unstoppable. Quite more impressive then anything nihilus has done that we know of in saber combat.And he can at the very least be a stalemate for Sion in sabers (probably more i believe) and he is more powerful in the force than Sion (i am aware that sion is known for killing jedi but who is worthy of mention among them or powerful at all?)

And im also gonna add on that Traya the only real duel she was in that we know of was against the exile and she lost so I wouldn't say she a master with only one know lightsaber duel.

2nd point here

Malak is a very capable warrior. At his peak his battle with revan was described an epic one and he was nearly unstoppable. Which obviously means that is was not even close to being a walk in the park. And to further help Revan's case as being stronger than traya he says:"You are stronger than I thought; stronger than you ever were during your reign as the Dark Lord." This means that he is stronger now, but malak was still able to put a fight otherwise there would be no need to describe the duel as epic nor would there be a reason to call him nearly unstoppable.

And here is my reaction to a couple of your posts thousand.

What the? Inferior on Korriban? He left a Jedi laying in blood and chased the Exile out of the academy. Like I said earlier, they would most likely fight in an area high with darkened energies seeing as they're both Sith.

Actually has been proven that Malachor has more darkside energy then korriban. Revan almost died just by walking on the surface, I never heard anything like htat happening on korriban.

No, he used the energy from Jedi themselves and the Jedi were captive in tanks. From what we've seen, Sion is virtually unstoppable utilizing darkened energies, as seen on Malachor. I don't see Malak holding his body together with pure force. I see him having to use a machine for his missing Jaw.

Actually i do believe tat th energy from the jedi is darkened Here is what malak said

I have not let them become one with the force. Instead I have brought them here. The Star Forge corrupts what reamins of their power and transfers them dark taint to me.

I'm not trying to. You appear to be. We don't know what she has done with her Lightsaber. For all you know, she killed a million Jedi in one sitting. No,not any force user can do that because Traya maybe using the force to protect those lightsabers The exile didn't dismantle them so easily.

You took the words right out of my mouth we don't know anything about her skills other than thatshe was in one real duel and lost so she can't be considered a master no matter how many lightsabers she uses. And the exile's skill with a lightsbaer is still in question since her duels with sion and nihilus weren't straight up duels to the death.

You

This is what I'm talking about. You can't prove Revan is better in every other aspect. Stop spewing crapola.

Your not called the heart of the force for nothing. Bane was scared of some of the techniques that Revan knew when he studied his holocron. He has been in more duels and therefore were judge his skills better and see my above post for more info to back it up.

And please to respond to Janus and me. And thousand i did notice that i mispelled a few things above, sorry.

Oh and Janus I did find the quote Sion says that hints to Traya not want to kill the exile.

She thinks you should be spared,but only so you might suffer. You will break. And when you do,you will die.

The break and death part to me sound like what Sion feels will happen not Traya's opinion of what will happen.

And im sorry thousand but I f*cked quoting myself about my second point. Im sorry if u respond to that and not read this first but the second paragraph is very important and I need it in there.

Malak is a very capable warrior. At his peak his battle with revan was described an epic one and he was nearly unstoppable. Which obviously means that is was not even close to being a walk in the park. And to further help Revan's case as being stronger than traya he says:"You are stronger than I thought; stronger than you ever were during your reign as the Dark Lord." This means that he is stronger now, but malak was still able to put a fight otherwise there would be no need to describe the duel as epic nor would there be a reason to call him nearly unstoppable.

But when was the last time Traya saw Revan? It was obviously before he lost his memory meaning he was still the dark lord. Yet she stills call him "the heart of the force" when it has been YEARS since she last saw Revan so Traya would have almost no idea how powerful Revan has become. Especially since she was absent from the events of kotor 1. So that means she also has no way to gauge Revan's or malak's power. And if malak was able to put up a really good fight for this more powerful version of revan, i would even have my doubts that traya could even beat SF Malak with as much ease at the very least you make it out to be. One could even argue that SF Malak is stronger than Revan was as the dark lord.

Originally posted by Thousand
No, it's not irrelevant. I refer to MY Exile as a HE. I already knew that the Exile is a female canonically. If you have a seemingly hard time understanding, that's most likely a personal problem.

Originally posted by Thousand

We know that Nihilus possesses a very deadly technique. If he can diminish a whole planet of force sensitives, He should not have trouble with one that isn't the void of the force. We DO NOT know that Revan or Malak possess the capability to block such a technique.

Originally posted by Thousand

As I said previously (This is me repeating myself, remember) if he can strip the life off of an entire planet, It basically makes him a Demi God.

Originally posted by Thousand

A) It's debatable that Traya was holding back during the duel.

Originally posted by Thousand

B) What the council says is 100% true? Sidious said Yoda was weak and underestimated him. I guess this means Yoda was weak?

Originally posted by Thousand

C) Yeah, because all she did was "Form bonds". Try again.

Originally posted by Thousand

I believe I can. Drop the rhetoric and learn to spell or use spell check. Either or is not difficult.

I apologise for the insults

Originally posted by Thousand

It's irrelevant and we're not speaking of him. If you were trying to attempt some sort of simile, you failed in doing so. Move on.

Originally posted by Thousand

If you cannot debate without using such foul language, I'll have to report you. What makes you think who he encountered wasn't strong? Can you prove otherwise? The answer is no, most likely.

But let me ask a question what makes you think who he encountered is strong? Can you prove that? The answer is most likely no.

Originally posted by Thousand

So, by your logic, the fact that she admired him makes her weaker? Ridiculous. This proves nothing.

And revans greatest feat > kreias, Revan used the dark side energies of malachor to destroy the entire mandalorian crusaders i believe. This statement came from many members here and i see no reason for them to lie, It too problably came from kreia

Originally posted by Thousand

Revan holds more knowledge of the force than the Jedi Archives? Is Traya the Jedi Archives? I didn't think so.

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Nihilus is arguably more powerful than Revan. This still does not prove Revan to be stronger than Traya. Sorry.

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No, your logical equation is wrong. Traya and Revan are two different people. Plus, Sidious and Yoda fought in different circumstances.

Originally posted by Thousand

How do you know Revan wouldn't listen? He's not a mindless killing machine.

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He wouldn't just straight up kill her. Even so, What proof do you have that Revan is a better duelist? Really

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He does have a past of slaying Jedi. I'm sure he's not a poor duelist.

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What the? Inferior on Korriban? He left a Jedi laying in blood and chased the Exile out of the academy. Like I said earlier, they would most likely fight in an area high with darkened energies seeing as they're both Sith.

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Plus, if he's walking everywhere else with that broken body and he's strong enough to keep it together, this says something about his tolerance level. No one defied Canon. I didn't disagree with you.

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Most Sith Lords have assistance with them and he obviously needs Assassins for dirty work.

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The ability he has IS with him elsewhere or as I said before,

Originally posted by Thousand

he'd fall apart. He's independently strong enough to hold all the broken bones in his body and his skin together in other places. He says that himself and so do the Republicans on the recording when the Exile is on the Harbinger, is it?

Originally posted by Thousand
. From what we've seen, Sion is virtually unstoppable utilizing darkened energies, as seen on Malachor.

Originally posted by Thousand

I don't see Malak holding his body together with pure force. I see him having to use a machine for his missing Jaw.

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I'm not trying to. You appear to be. We don't know what she has done with her Lightsaber. For all you know, she killed a million Jedi in one sitting.

Originally posted by Thousand

No, not any force user can do that because Traya may be using the force to protect those Lightsabers. The exile didn't dismantle them so easily.

Again a lightsaber cuts through just about everything save for sith alchemy swords, orbalisks and mandalorian iron

Originally posted by Thousand

In most cases, the person may have not been as manipulatory capable as Traya was.

Originally posted by Thousand

How do you know his force is strong enough to disable the lightsabers?

Seriously your attempts to downplay revan is pathetic

Originally posted by Thousand

Grievous and Traya are two different entities. Your analysis is poor. Your logic isn't so fantastic, now is it?

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No, but Malak may not hold the capacity to handle three lightsabers midair including Trayas.

Originally posted by Thousand

This is what I'm talking about. You can't prove Revan is better in every other aspect. Stop spewing crapola.

Originally posted by Thousand

We're on the same level here. Stop trying to classify me as proof less.