Originally posted by kamhal
he may have been able to counter Nihilus' technique
I very much doubt that, Kreia also says that it is a technique to which there is no defense. The only way for someone to resist or counter it, is for him/her to be like Nihilus himself... A wound in the Force. Exile is a wound in the Force that's why Nihilus wasnt able to suck her dry. Revan, unfortunately, is not.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
If memory serves me (like i'm positive it does) Revan almost died from the dark energy on malachor v by merely walking on the planet's surface.
Notice I said "something of that kind"? What you described is completely different. For Revan to use it, he must experience how it is like to be severed completely from the Force and his own life, just like how Nihilus experienced all this things when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated.
Originally posted by -Blasmaster-
Notice I said "something of [b]that kind"? What you described is completely different. For Revan to use it, he must experience how it is like to be severed completely from the Force and his own life, just like how Nihilus experienced all this things when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated. [/B]
Well both were almost killed while at malachor v by a powerful force the darkside energies of an entire planet and the mass shadow generator respectively. Anyway it is more of an opinion question so there is really no point in arguing I thought you said more on the lines of a near death experience. My B there.
Originally posted by -Blasmaster-You can counter nihilus technique with the fallanasi looping technique which some of the SW powerhouses have. Revan does not have that however
I very much doubt that, Kreia also says that it is a technique to which there is [b]no defense. The only way for someone to resist or counter it, is for him/her to be like Nihilus himself... A wound in the Force. Exile is a wound in the Force that's why Nihilus wasnt able to suck her dry. Revan, unfortunately, is not.[/B]
Originally posted by Darth SexyWhy is it so hard to believe that he has control over the technique? And he does use Force Killer to a small degree by being in his presence and speaking, but he needs to want to use the whole move.
He didn't. Nikkolas has a habit of taking everything too literally. There's absolutely no proof of any technique involving the use of a word in the death of a planet, and if Nihilus did kill by speaking, everyone around him would be dead, which they aren't.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Why is it so hard to believe that he has control over the technique? And he does use Force Killer to a small degree by being in his presence and speaking, but he needs to want to use the whole move. [/B]
Because it's not as much of a technique as it is Nihilus, and what he is. It's instinctual and pretty much automatic. So we don't have much to go on in terms of his control. Also, your argument is very weak because youre assuming since Nihilus has an effect on property X, he will automatically have an effect on property Y.
Originally posted by Darth SexyHe can control it, as shown by the fact he has drained whole worlds and was able to focus it on the Exile(tho he failed). Fact is, many sources say he spoke when he Force Killed Katar, Visas knew it, and she was miles away when he did it.
Because it's not as much of a technique as it is Nihilus, and what he is. It's instinctual and pretty much automatic. So we don't have much to go on in terms of his control. Also, your argument is very weak because youre assuming since Nihilus has an effect on property X, he will automatically have an effect on property Y.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He can control it, as shown by the fact he has drained whole worlds and was able to focus it on the Exile(tho he failed). Fact is, many sources say he spoke when he Force Killed Katar, Visas knew it, and she was miles away when he did it.
No, he drained A world instinctively. Whether it's being a wound or whatever. This technique derived from the ancient sith but it can't be taught, so he learned it through instincts, so feeds on the force to satiate his hunger. The whole speaking a word is nonsense..
Canon source>>>>>>>You. He can CONTROL it, if he couldn't he wouldn't be able to focus it on one person, like the Exile. He does do Force Kill to a small extent while speaking, hell you're affected just by being in his presence. More than once has it been stated that it takes Nihilus' speaking to do Force Kill, do you think Visas just made it up when she said he spoke? She even said something along the lines of,"My people never saw him, but they heard him speak, and when he did, my people died" or sumthin like that, I'll have to find the quote. I'm going to make an educated guess that when doing Force Kill, he speaks and uses his words to leave a large or small echo in the Force that kills anything touched by it, otherwise no one on Katar would have heard him.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Canon source>>>>>>>You. He can CONTROL it, if he couldn't he wouldn't be able to focus it on one person, like the Exile. He does do Force Kill to a small extent while speaking, hell you're affected just by being in his presence. More than once has it been stated that it takes Nihilus' speaking to do Force Kill, do you think Visas just made it up when she said he spoke? She even said something along the lines of,"My people never saw him, but they heard him speak, and when he did, my people died" or sumthin like that, I'll have to find the quote. I'm going to make an educated guess that when doing Force Kill, he speaks and uses his words to leave a large or small echo in the Force that kills anything touched by it, otherwise no one on Katar would have heard him.
Except there is no canon source stating that Nihilus can control it. There's also no canon source that states he spoke a word to kill a planet, nor that everytime he speaks worlds die. That's visas and that's contradictory to CANON materials, aka storyline.. Sorry