Darkseid vs Anti Monitor(pre AM Universe absorption)

Originally posted by darthgoober
DS's current incarnation is being portrayed as being a bit more powerful than it was Pre Crisis(given the reality manipulation, creating pocket dimensions, etc.)

Especially if you consider the fact that a freshly sun-amped Superman can pwn him with little trouble.. [Even a novice reality manipulator should have been able to subdue Supes in some way, with a gesture, imo].

I guess that could all go back to the motto I've taken a liking to..

When he has to be,

Superman > ALL srug

Originally posted by Galan007
Bringing up reality manip, and/or pocket dimension creating where DS is concerned, is meh. ermm

Especially if you consider the fact that a freshly sun-amped Superman can pwn him with little trouble.. [Even a novice reality manipulator should have been able to subdue Supes in some way, with a gesture, imo].

I guess that could all go back to the motto I've taken a liking to..

When he has to be,

Superman > ALL srug

Originally posted by darthgoober
You'd better watch that kind of talk or the DS fans are gonna come looking for you 😆 .

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm a marked man darth. 😱

Nah. He just proved the existance of Superman's insane jobber aura. 😛 Which doesn't translate onto the forums. So he's actually helping our case. flirt

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nah. He just proved the existance of Superman's insane jobber aura. 😛 Which doesn't translate onto the forums. So he's actually helping our case. flirt

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nah. He just proved the existance of Superman's insane jobber aura. 😛 Which doesn't translate onto the forums. So he's actually helping our case. flirt

Originally posted by Galan007
Jobber aura lol

Biomatrix force field = Jobber aura 131

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
DS's current incarnation is being portrayed as being a bit more powerful than it was Pre Crisis(given the reality manipulation, creating pocket dimensions, etc.) so it's a bit of a stretch to base a winner off DS back in the day.

And it was never firmly established that he destroyed a universe without tech(and specifically mentioned that the anti matter wave that destroyed the Positive Matter Universe's WAS the result of tech). So the claim that he's a universal destroyer based off of his POSSIBLY destroying Pariah's universe(off-panel) when there's no further evidence to support it(and plenty to contradict it) is very similar to bringing up Sentry stalemating Galactus as evidence of him being more powerful than Darkseid.

I really dont know how U can claim its unsubstantiated and being POSSIBLE, when the proof was right there on the pages offered.

but then U tried to use a story written more than 10years later, had various situations mixed up, and tried to use THAT as eidence to support yur claims.

fact: AM & Mon were rendered unconscious after a simultaneous atk on 1 another.

fact: Pariahs experiment woke AM up, and *he* took advantage of it (with NO VISIBLE USE OF TECH) to consume that realm and absorb enuff power to free himself fully.

fact: we dont know of him having ANY tech before he went under.

fact: aside from 2 or 3 instances of a view screen being used, the only other tech we know he had was that Solar Collector (to slow down the vibratory rates keeping the last 5 'verses separated w/in Mon's Netherverse), and that AM-Cannon (presumably to be used to wipe out all 5 in 1 shot since he couldnt get at them under his own power.)

fact: we no evidence of him using tech to destroy any of the thousands upon thousands of 'verses that he did.

fact: that Legends -story involving "Earth-D" (upon review) had MORE than just that native GL wrong: such as John Stewarts ring suddenly working; Flash *somehow* appearing in that 'verse instead of appearing in front of Batman to tell him that something is wrong and calling for help, and info in the narration itself telling us that after "Earth-6" (Lady Quarks realm) got swept away there would be only *5* left; the Shadow Hunters somehow only "burning" their victims, and a few more inconsistencies.

Ive said it b4, and I'll say it again: that story doesnt fit, and becuz of that its a poor excuse of info to support any claims for AM using tech to destroy a universe.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

I really dont know how U can claim its unsubstantiated and being POSSIBLE, when the proof was right there on the pages offered.

but then U tried to use a story written more than 10years later, had various situations mixed up, and tried to use THAT as eidence to support yur claims.

fact: AM & Mon were rendered unconscious after a simultaneous atk on 1 another.

fact: Pariahs experiment woke AM up, and *he* took advantage of it (with NO VISIBLE USE OF TECH) to consume that realm and absorb enuff power to free himself fully.

fact: we dont know of him having ANY tech before he went under.

fact: aside from 2 or 3 instances of a view screen being used, the only other tech we know he had was that Solar Collector (to slow down the vibratory rates keeping the last 5 'verses separated w/in Mon's Netherverse), and that AM-Cannon (presumably to be used to wipe out all 5 in 1 shot since he couldnt get at them under his own power.)

fact: we no evidence of him using tech to destroy any of the thousands upon thousands of 'verses that he did.

fact: that Legends -story involving "Earth-D" (upon review) had MORE than just that native GL wrong: such as John Stewarts ring suddenly working; Flash *somehow* appearing in that 'verse instead of appearing in front of Batman to tell him that something is wrong and calling for help, and info in the narration itself telling us that after "Earth-6" (Lady Quarks realm) got swept away there would be only *5* left; the Shadow Hunters somehow only "burning" their victims, and a few more inconsistencies.

Ive said it b4, and I'll say it again: that story doesnt fit, and becuz of that its a poor excuse of info to support any claims for AM using tech to destroy a universe.

Tazer

And the fact that the story came out later doesn't mean that it's non canon. If nothing else, and differences could be considered a recton(which are still valid).

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So then you accept Sentry stalemating Galactus as fact then?

yes, becuz "stalemating" doesnt mean "fought to a standstill", and we've seen the FF do worse .

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

yes, becuz "stalemating" doesnt mean "fought to a standstill", and we've seen the FF do worse .

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And the fact that the story came out later doesn't mean that it's non canon. If nothing else, and differences could be considered a recton(which are still valid).

which is STILL a lame arguement, since that ish *still doesnt support* the notion that AM used tech to destroy any p-m universes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The FF have never done worse without a plot device of some kind. But if you want to consider Sentry to be above the likes of Supes or DS that's your buisness.

which is irregardless of the fact. Galactus getting stalemated means that he likely didnt get something that he wanted / that he was thwarted in some way, NOT that he got beaten in a power-battle.

if that line said that Sentry "kicked his ass", Ud have a point, but thats not wats said now is it??

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

which is STILL a lame arguement, since that ish *still doesnt support* the notion that AM used tech to destroy any p-m universes.

Originally posted by Tazer
which is irregardless of the fact. Galactus getting stalemated means that he likely didnt get something that he wanted / that he was thwarted in some way, NOT that he got beaten in a power-battle.

if that line said that Sentry "kicked his ass", Ud have a point, but thats not wats said now is it??

Tazer

And I was wrong about Spidey's statement. He didn't say that he stalemated Galactus, he actually DID say that he fought Galactus to a standstill...

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6089/sentrygalactuscomment9ac.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
And since I don't see Supes or DS being able to stalemate Galactus

Originally posted by Galan007
Who beat Imperiex again? 😛

Originally posted by darthgoober
With Kismet's help you mean...

Someone could have been helping Sentry too.... Spidey just forgot about that part. dur

Originally posted by Galan007
Pfft...

Someone could have been helping Sentry too.... Spidey just forgot about that part. dur

Originally posted by darthgoober
You mean the fact that it was established that AM's machines were the source of the Antimatter wave that destroyed the Positive Matter Universes doesn't support the notion that he used tech to destroy the Positive Matter Universes 😆 ?

I didn't say that Sentry kicked his ass, I said he stalemated him. And since I don't see Supes or DS being able to stalemate Galactus that means that by your reasoning Sentry must be more powerful than both. After all, the implication by Spiderman was that he MATCHED Galactus's power.