Darkseid vs Anti Monitor(pre AM Universe absorption)

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ur speculating as to the am and cannot concretely prove ur case.

but I did, and its interesting to note that when I did I didnt see NOT A SINGLE REPLY OR COMMENT from U about it.

same goes for that debate we had about that issue of Quasar that U claimed *was* a IG-xover.....and it wasnt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
the same lgic with the sentry stalemate of galactus u want to apply different logic becuz it suits your argument better.

wat diff logic?? do we know wat he & Galactus fought over, or for how long, or even where?!??

all I said was that the comment shouldnt be dismissed out of hand, even tho "logic" would say that Galactus >>>>>> Sentry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
this isnt my argument anyways but looking in on it i favor his points over yours is all. dont get mad at me becuz darthgoober is making his points clearly while it seems u implement a double standard.

I have no prob w/sum1 favoring sumbody elses side over mine, but U do little more than act like a cheerleader, but then U get mysteriously quiet when information come up that throws a monkey wrench IN said cheering ttempts.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
with a plot device that changes any battle entirely. a writer needed one to explain why a certain character beat another. with no plot device it is more of a resounding defeat than with one.

wtf does it matter if there was a plot device or not??

hell, REED RICHARDS is a walking plot device himself; how many times has he pulled some seen-once-then-never-again device outta his elastic butt??

a win doesnt have to be on the order of Spidey 1-shotting Titannia out of that tower in _SW_ for it to be a victory.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

but I did, and its interesting to note that when I did I didnt see NOT A SINGLE REPLY OR COMMENT from U about it.

same goes for that debate we had about that issue of Quasar that U claimed *was* a IG-xover.....and it wasnt.

wat diff logic?? do we know wat he & Galactus fought over, or for how long, or even where?!??

all I said was that the comment shouldnt be dismissed out of hand, even tho "logic" would say that Galactus >>>>>> Sentry.

I have no prob w/sum1 favoring sumbody elses side over mine, but U do little more than act like a cheerleader, but then U get mysteriously quiet when information come up that throws a monkey wrench IN said cheering ttempts.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

wtf does it matter if there was a plot device or not??

hell, REED RICHARDS is a walking plot device himself; how many times has he pulled some seen-once-then-never-again device outta his elastic butt??

a win doesnt have to be on the order of Spidey 1-shotting Titannia out of that tower in _SW_ for it to be a victory.

Tazer

how doesnt it a plot device can make anything possible. a win with the absence of a plot device carries more weight, much more. this isnt even up for debate.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

but I did, and its interesting to note that when I did I didnt see NOT A SINGLE REPLY OR COMMENT from U about it.

same goes for that debate we had about that issue of Quasar that U claimed *was* a IG-xover.....and it wasnt.

wat diff logic?? do we know wat he & Galactus fought over, or for how long, or even where?!??

all I said was that the comment shouldnt be dismissed out of hand, even tho "logic" would say that Galactus >>>>>> Sentry.

I have no prob w/sum1 favoring sumbody elses side over mine, but U do little more than act like a cheerleader, but then U get mysteriously quiet when information come up that throws a monkey wrench IN said cheering ttempts.

Tazer

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Originally posted by darthgoober
And by the same token, AM COULD have destroyed the first universe under his own power, but we don't know because we haven't actually seen the circumstances behind it. There wasn't a plot device specifically mentioned in either case and both cases were only covered in conversation, so both feats(fighting Galactus to a standstill and destroying the universe) are equally valid or invalid. You can't have it both ways.

theres no "could" about it; he DID.

in the complete absense of any proof that he DID use tech to do it, U cannot assume "well he HAD tech, so he still mustve used it to do so."

and the AM-feat is more valid by the fact that theres FAR MORE info given (even pictures along w/it) than simply the single line we get from Spidey for the other feat.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

theres no "could" about it; he DID.

in the complete absense of any proof that he DID use tech to do it, U cannot assume "well he HAD tech, so he still mustve used it to do so."

and the AM-feat is more valid by the fact that theres FAR MORE info given (even pictures along w/it) than simply the single line we get from Spidey for the other feat.

Tazer

And I'd like to see a picture of AM destroying Pariah's universe with his own power.

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now you're just strait up speculating. But let's assume for a minute you're right. Even if the Antimatter Wave was rectoned to come from the Antimatter Cannon, that still means that tech was responsable for the destruction of the Positive Matter Universes, so I fail to see your point.

well this whole tale is a big retcon, so Y not go with it? since theres no evidence it was in the original, but as a retcon ANYTHINGS possible!

especially since yur using this as evidence over everything that we saw in the CoIE-mini proper.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And neither of us have any info beyond the fact that AM was responsible for the destruction of Paraih's universe either. Just be cause I say "I killed a bug" doesn't mean that I didn't use bug spray to do it.

1) we have no evidence of him having any tech before or during his war w/Monitor; as a matter of fact we just see them blasting at each other apparently across the dimensional divide.

2) we know that both of them were unconscious, but Pariahs am-experiment woke him up, and he converted it into energy, re-focused it back into his realm to gather even MORE energy, and by his own testimony he wasnt freed from his prison UNTIL then.

and its not like he ever leaves the AM-'verse, so I dont see how any1 could think THAT was his prison.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
here you go.
this is thanos conversing with maelstrom as the anomaly like i said.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/quasar24014.jpg

nice. hey tell me, on that ish's cover, did it say "Infinity Gauntlet Crossover"??

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ur telling me aplot device doesnt matter. 😆

how doesnt it a plot device can make anything possible. a win with the absence of a plot device carries more weight, much more. this isnt even up for debate.

ok, so then most of the wins for FF, GL, Quasar, and I dont know HOW MANY other heroes should get thrown out since a good deal of them are attributed to "plot deviceness".

oh, and I guess Spiderman can beat Heralds too......correct, yes??

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

nice. hey tell me, on that ish's cover, did it say "Infinity Gauntlet Crossover"??

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

ok, so then most of the wins for FF, GL, Quasar, and I dont know HOW MANY other heroes should get thrown out since a good deal of them are attributed to "plot deviceness".

oh, and I guess Spiderman can beat Heralds too......correct, yes??

Tazer

here ill make it easy for u to understand. take loebs version of superman defeating darkseid as opposed to apokolips now. in loebs version ww jumped in and superman got sunamped while in apokolips now it was a one on one fight basically with no help and no amps. which fight carries more weight?

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Originally posted by darthgoober
And by you're reasoning, given the absence of proof that there was a plot device involved in Sentry fighting Galactus to a standstill we have to assume that Sentry just matched him strait up power wise, which means that Sentry a fair share more powerful than Supes or even Darkseid.

Im not saying there was or wasnt a plot device used, cuz I dont know either way.

I, however, wont assume that there WAS 1 used.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I'd like to see a picture of AM destroying Pariah's universe with his own power.

and Id like to see a picture of the machine that destroyed Pariahs home, or even the 1 that destroyed "Earth-D".

Tazer

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Originally posted by quanchi112
oh so even though he met up with thanos its not a crossover becuz it didnt say it on the cover. they met face to face pretty much and i was right to include him in the ig vs coie debate.

common sense tells us that if its a xover, then it would be advertised as such.......

and its especially telling that Thanos made had no notice of that gigantic black hole (seeing as he was "omniscient" and all.)

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

common sense tells us that if its a xover, then it would be advertised as such.......

and its especially telling that Thanos made had no notice of that gigantic black hole (seeing as he was "omniscient" and all.)

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
when did i say spiderman can beat heralds? u putting words in my mouth again.

Spidey beat Firelord W/O any plot device at all in the story, so I guess according to U thats a valid feat right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
here ill make it easy for u to understand. take loebs version of superman defeating darkseid as opposed to apokolips now. in loebs version ww jumped in and superman got sunamped while in apokolips now it was a one on one fight basically with no help and no amps. which fight carries more weight?

how DS *should be* written is 1 thing, but if theres a consistent effort to keep him at another level....... /shrug

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

Spidey beat Firelord W/O any plot device at all in the story, so I guess according to U thats a valid feat right?

how DS *should be* written is 1 thing, but if theres a consistent effort to keep him at another level....... /shrug

Tazer

as in life and with the english language there are always exceptions.

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he also wasnt sure if maelstrom survived his blast or not. bad writing over there in my opinion but to not allow this becuz it didnt say crossover is ridicuolus. they met and talked while thanos had the ig. end of discussion he counted as he had a brief discussion wit thanos while he was all ig'd up.

correction: he wasnt sure if he'd even HAD a conversation.

and I supposed Infinity counts for that matchup too, even tho she doesnt show up in _IG_ proper??

Tazer

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Originally posted by quanchi112
ur trying to say always and never now. sometimes there is shit writing which is how spiderman defeated firelord. ive never read it and never will. but some things are ridiculous. there are always exceptions so dont hold my thoeries up to the always and never test. that fails with anyones theories for the most part.

as in life and with the english language there are always exceptions.

so Spidey beating FL doesnt get the same consideration of "resounding defeat" eh??

how about him beating Titannia?

or him beating Rhino??

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

correction: he wasnt sure if he'd even HAD a conversation.

and I supposed Infinity counts for that matchup too, even tho she doesnt show up in _IG_ proper??

Tazer

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i could count infinity but i dont. she has no direct contact with thanos while maelstrom does. since she didnt appear in one of the main books and had no direct contact i never considered her for the ig vs coie debate.