Darkseid vs Anti Monitor(pre AM Universe absorption) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You mean the fact that it was established that AM's machines were the source of the Antimatter wave that destroyed the Positive Matter Universes doesn't support the notion that he used tech to destroy the Positive Matter Universes 😆 ?

yes, plz show us that panel that shows it was AMs MACHINES that was the source of the a-matter wave which did that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that Sentry kicked his ass, I said he stalemated him. And since I don't see Supes or DS being able to stalemate Galactus that means that by your reasoning Sentry must be more powerful than both. After all, the implication by Spiderman was that he MATCHED Galactus's power.

I didnt say U did either, now did I?

and if U wanna say Spidey matched Galactus' power, then yur on yur own defending THAT point.

Tazer

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
u have logical points while tazer just applies what he wants to and disregards what he doesnt like.

thats a load of crap AS WELL AS being an outright lie; I *dare* ya to prove it.

hell, atleast 'goober MAKES his points w/o playing cheerleader and letting others do all the work.

Tazer

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
yes, plz show us that panel that shows it was AMs [b]MACHINES that was the source of the a-matter wave which did that. [/B]

Ok here you go(AGAIN)...

The heroes are gathered and trying to find a way to stop the approaching Antimatter Wave, AM comments that the feat is impossible because when matter and antimatter come into contact both are destroyed, and Psycho Pirate says "B-But what if they find a way to stop your MACHINES?".

Originally posted by Tazer
I didnt say U did either, now did I?
and if U wanna say Spidey matched Galactus' power, then yur on yur own defending THAT point.
Tazer

I wasn't talking about Spidey matching Galactus's power, I was talking about Spidey saying that Sentry fought Galactus to a standstill. So do you accept the feat or not?

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I was wrong about Spidey's statement. He didn't say that he stalemated Galactus, he actually DID say that he fought Galactus to a standstill...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6089/sentrygalactuscomment9ac.jpg

and the FF have straight up BEATEN Galan, but that doesnt mean there werent extenuating circumstances behind it (like U touched on b4).....

Tazer

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
and the FF have straight up BEATEN Galan, but that doesnt mean there werent extenuating circumstances behind it (like U touched on b4).....
Tazer

When?

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok here you go(AGAIN)...

The heroes are gathered and trying to find a way to stop the approaching Antimatter Wave, AM comments that the feat is impossible because when matter and antimatter come into contact both are destroyed, and Psycho Pirate says "B-But what if they find a way to stop your [B]MACHINES?".[/B]

which doesnt mean squat since 1)this couldve been about that A-M Cannon that Flash destroyed or even that Solar Converter, and 2) YET AGAIN this story put events out of place w/how they happend in CoIE -proper, and Ive given a good number of reasons why this is so.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I wasn't talking about Spidey matching Galactus's power, I was talking about Spidey saying that Sentry fought Galactus to a standstill. So do you accept the feat or not?

well, DUH. neither was *I*.

but my comment still stands.

Tazer

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When?

theres an ish of FF where they (them + Elvis) were trying to stop Galactus from eating a planet (think it was Earth), and in the process the removed ALL of the Power Cosmic from him....turning him back into Galan.

Tazer

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
which doesnt mean squat since 1)this couldve been about that A-M Cannon that Flash destroyed or even that Solar Converter, and 2) YET AGAIN this story put events out of place w/how they happend in CoIE -proper, and Ive given a good number of reasons why this is so.

They were talking about the Antimatter Wave, which was what the heroes were there to stop(the Antimatter Cannon hadn't even been built yet). And the 52 arc portrays things in a slightly different manner than COIE also, does that mean that the arc in non canon?

Originally posted by Tazer
well, DUH. neither was *I*.
but my comment still stands.
Tazer

Do you accept Sentry as being as powerful as Galactus or not?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
theres an ish of FF where they (them + Elvis) were trying to stop Galactus from eating a planet (think it was Earth), and in the process the removed ALL of the Power Cosmic from him....turning him back into Galan.
Tazer

So then they must have had a plot device, seeing as how NONE of the FF have the innate ability to drain away the Power Cosmic. That's hardly fighting him to a standstill.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They were talking about the Antimatter Wave, which was what the heroes were there to stop(the Antimatter Cannon hadn't even been built yet). And the 52 arc portrays things in a slightly different manner than COIE also, does that mean that the arc in non canon?

how do we know that?? since this story retcon'd stuff we have no way of knowing just wat "machines" he was talking about, correct? it could just as easily have been that very A-M Cannon which PP was talking about, or even the Solar Collector.

hell, it couldve been that "Time Bomb" that we see him launch, and then NEVER see hide-nor-hair of again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you accept Sentry as being as powerful as Galactus or not?

no. doesnt mean he didnt do wat Spidey said tho.

Tazer

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So then they must have had a plot device, seeing as how NONE of the FF have the innate ability to drain away the Power Cosmic. That's hardly fighting him to a standstill.

yur right, thats called BEATING HIM, and technically Johnny had the innate ability since he had the PC at the time.

but none of that has anything to do w/them being as powerful as him, now does it?

Tazer

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
how do we know that?? since this story retcon'd stuff we have no way of knowing just wat "machines" he was talking about, correct? it could just as easily have been that very A-M Cannon which PP was talking about, or even the Solar Collector.
hell, it couldve been that "Time Bomb" that we see him launch, and then NEVER see hide-nor-hair of again.

I know that because I have the damn story and they were trying to stop the Antimatter Wave.

Originally posted by Tazer
no. doesnt mean he didnt do wat Spidey said tho.
Tazer

Well if you are going to credit Sentry with the ability to fight Galactus to a standstill based on Spidey's statement, then our debate is pretty much over because you're going by radically different standards then the rest of the forum which makes a debate between you and I impossible.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
yur right, thats called BEATING HIM, and technically Johnny had the innate ability since he had the PC at the time.
but none of that has anything to do w/them being as powerful as him, now does it?
Tazer

When we got on this track I said "without a plot device", so your point is moot(seeing as how there was one involved).

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When we got on this track I said "without a plot device", so your point is moot(seeing as how there was one involved).

like having a plot device somehow negates the feat??

it happend then, and *could be* wat happend here; but we dont know since we havent seen the circumstances behind that comment.

Tazer

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
thats a load of crap AS WELL AS being an outright lie; I *dare* ya to prove it.
hell, atleast 'goober MAKES his points w/o playing cheerleader and letting others do all the work.
Tazer

ur speculating as to the am and cannot concretely prove ur case. the same lgic with the sentry stalemate of galactus u want to apply different logic becuz it suits your argument better. this isnt my argument anyways but looking in on it i favor his points over yours is all. dont get mad at me becuz darthgoober is making his points clearly while it seems u implement a double standard.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
like having a plot device somehow negates the feat??
it happend then, and *could be* wat happend here; but we dont know since we havent seen the circumstances behind that comment.
Tazer

with a plot device that changes any battle entirely. a writer needed one to explain why a certain character beat another. with no plot device it is more of a resounding defeat than with one.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
like having a plot device somehow negates the feat??
it happend then, and *could be* wat happend here; but we dont know since we havent seen the circumstances behind that comment.
Tazer

And by the same token, AM COULD have destroyed the first universe under his own power, but we don't know because we haven't actually seen the circumstances behind it. There wasn't a plot device specifically mentioned in either case and both cases were only covered in conversation, so both feats(fighting Galactus to a standstill and destroying the universe) are equally valid or invalid. You can't have it both ways.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I know that because I have the damn story and they were trying to stop the Antimatter Wave.

which couldve been generated by the A-M Cannon as far as this storys concerned, since its re-telling the tale.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if you are going to credit Sentry with the ability to fight Galactus to a standstill based on Spidey's statement, then our debate is pretty much over because you're going by radically different standards then the rest of the forum which makes a debate between you and I impossible.

the only thing we know is that Spidey said he fought Galacus to a standstill, and that could mean ANYTHING. *neither of us* have any information to make any kind of educated opinion about it beyond that single statement.

Tazer

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
which couldve been generated by the A-M Cannon as far as this storys concerned, since its re-telling the tale.

Now you're just strait up speculating. But let's assume for a minute you're right. Even if the Antimatter Wave was rectoned to come from the Antimatter Cannon, that still means that tech was responsable for the destruction of the Positive Matter Universes, so I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by Tazer
the only thing we know is that Spidey said he fought Galacus to a standstill, and that could mean ANYTHING. *neither of us* have any information to make any kind of educated opinion about it beyond that single statement.
Tazer

And neither of us have any info beyond the fact that AM was responsible for the destruction of Paraih's universe either. Just be cause I say "I killed a bug" doesn't mean that I didn't use bug spray to do it.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now you're just strait up speculating.
And neither of us have any info beyond the fact that AM was responsible for the destruction of Paraih's universe either. Just be cause I say "I killed a bug" doesn't mean that I didn't use bug spray to do it.

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