Cyborg Superman vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Blair Wind
There has been no argument against the fact that Surfer could just turn the tech into thin air and be done with it. What would the tech do, since there is NO tech from which to configure itself or program itself with. 😬

"Infinite" can only get you so far, and in this case you need some tech at the very least to produce these infinite results

argument is:

Surfer isn't powerful enough to turn tech under the CONTROL of someone into something else.

Surfer can only transmute inanimate objects. And if tech is controlled by Henshaw, they aren't inanimate anymore.

Considering that the Surfer has transmuted living beings before, I don't think he has an 'inanimate' restriction.

Originally posted by Soljer
Considering that the Surfer has transmuted living beings before, I don't think he has an 'inanimate' restriction.

ok, I admit it, I just pulled that 'inanimate requirement' outta my arse

however, I rarely see Surfer use it...and if he is such a pacifist, he should use it more often since turning his enemies in gingerbread man saves bloodshed

surfer crushes the competition here.

Originally posted by masterbruce
ok, I admit it, I just pulled that 'inanimate requirement' outta my arse

however, I rarely see Surfer use it...and if he is such a pacifist, he should use it more often since turning his enemies in gingerbread man saves bloodshed

It also makes for an incredibly boring fight scene.

Originally posted by Soljer
It also makes for an incredibly boring fight scene.

hence why it would make sense to have a restriction of some sorts on his transmuting ability

otherwise its pretty dumb that Surfer doesnt use it since he's the ULTIMATE PACIFIST.

Originally posted by masterbruce
hence why it would make sense to have a restriction of some sorts on his transmuting ability

otherwise its pretty dumb that Surfer doesnt use it since he's the ULTIMATE PACIFIST.

Surfer not doing that falls under CIS. And I don't think he's got the power to do that to the entire fortress and fight Henshaw at the same time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Surfer not doing that falls under CIS. And I don't think he's got the power to do that to the entire fortress and fight Henshaw at the same time.

Never said he did. Never said he didn't.

Just pointing out that Masterbruce constantly pulls stuff from his ass, and so desperately hopes that no one calls him on it.

Originally posted by Soljer
Never said he did. Never said he didn't.

Just pointing out that Masterbruce constantly pulls stuff from his ass, and so desperately hopes that no one calls him on it.

True. 😛 Btw, Henshaw has Superman's bio-aura, so Surfer can't transmute him easily, if at all. And Goober is claiming that Surfer can fight Henshaw blitzing him AND the fortress itself attacking? Or Henshaw creating alien weaponry? I think not. 😉

Originally posted by Blair Wind
There has been no argument against the fact that Surfer could just turn the tech into thin air and be done with it. What would the tech do, since there is NO tech from which to configure itself or program itself with. 😬

"Infinite" can only get you so far, and in this case you need some tech at the very least to produce these infinite results

Tech that by itself can adapt to anything.

Tech that can adapt to anything and is under control of Henshaw.

The fact that Surfer has been powerless against tech before that he couldn't transmute.

The fact that the whole argument is being pulled out of people's asses.

Surfer's been in an arm-lock that he "couldn't" get out of.
Surfer suffers from extreme jobbing. it's in his nature, he's not that big of a 'star' in comicdom...

Surfer has transmuted Eradicator's guns, whole planets and Spiderman too ...

if Surfer wanted to, he could just black-hole the tech away, along with Cyborg supe.

or EMP blast the tech, or phase into Cyborg Supes and spread some deadly radiation or something ... creative application of his established powers...

Originally posted by Avlon
Tech that by itself can adapt to anything.

Tech that can adapt to anything and is under control of Henshaw.

The fact that Surfer has been powerless against tech before that he couldn't transmute.

The fact that the whole argument is being pulled out of people's asses.

My point is not that the tech in and of itself cannot adapt, but what if there was no tech to adapt? The fact that it becomes something else BEFORE it can adapt, raises the question of could the tech, having been already turned into gold, air, or a taco turn itself back into tech? The obvious answer is "no!" unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Also, please show a time where Surfer could NOT transmute tech. Like a direct reference to him saying he tried to transmute it and could not. Not a picture of him not thinking to use his transmutation skills and only blasting the thing.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My point is not that the tech in and of itself cannot adapt, but what if there was no tech to adapt? The fact that it becomes something else BEFORE it can adapt, raises the question of could the tech, having been already turned into gold, air, or a taco turn itself back into tech? The obvious answer is "no!" unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Also, please show a time where Surfer could NOT transmute tech. Like a direct reference to him saying he tried to transmute it and could not. Not a picture of him not thinking to use his transmutation skills and only blasting the thing.

Well in Surfer's second encounter with the Obliterator he had upgraded his weapons so they couldn't be transmuted

Originally posted by Blair Wind
My point is not that the tech in and of itself cannot adapt, but what if there was no tech to adapt? The fact that it becomes something else BEFORE it can adapt, raises the question of could the tech, having been already turned into gold, air, or a taco turn itself back into tech? The obvious answer is "no!" unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Also, please show a time where Surfer could NOT transmute tech. Like a direct reference to him saying he tried to transmute it and could not. Not a picture of him not thinking to use his transmutation skills and only blasting the thing.

Why would the tech not be able to adapt with Henshaw completely in control of it?

When would SS get a chance when being attacked by all sorts of devices that could kill him?

Please provide some evidence of someone transmuting the fortress. Remember, you're the one making the wild claims so it's on you. Especially considering that it's not that hard to disable SS using the right tech.

Was helpless against.....tech. In that storyline, he was trapped in a ship, and made it out by dumb luck.

helpless again.

Now show us someone transmuting tech that already is adaptable against that type of attack AND an extension of Henshaw.

Freaking surfer gets all the girls..... naughty

and has anyone ever tried to transmute Henshaw, besides Darkseid with the OE?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well in Surfer's second encounter with the Obliterator he had upgraded his weapons so they couldn't be transmuted

Yep.

Plus, thinking Surfer could transmute the fortress is also under the assumption that he would have better control over the tech than Henshaw himself. If 'Borg can control and manipulate a portion of the Source Wall, it's laughable to assume Surfer would be able to do ANYTHING to the technology in the fortress if Henshaw has his consciousness projected into it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Why would the tech not be able to adapt with Henshaw completely in control of it?

When would SS get a chance when being attacked by all sorts of devices that could kill him?

Please provide some evidence of someone transmuting the fortress. Remember, you're the one making the wild claims so it's on you. Especially considering that it's not that hard to disable SS using the right tech.

Originally posted by Avlon
Was helpless against.....tech. In that storyline, he was trapped in a ship, and made it out by dumb luck.

Originally posted by Avlon
helpless again.

Originally posted by Avlon
Now show us someone transmuting tech that already is adaptable against that type of attack AND an extension of Henshaw.

And when Supes gets his powers back, Cyborgs completely screwed...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2733/returnofsuperman462gk2.jpg
If Henshaw can't take that, there's no way he has a chance against Surfer.

Low showings are fun to use aren't they?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I was going to leave this thread alone and just leave you to your bias and double standards, but since you've now resorted to flat out lying I guess I'll step in so everyone knows how things really went down...

Wrong, dumb luck had nothing to do with it. He made it out of that ship by reprogramming the damn thing... http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3738/silversurfer198902421wq6.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2807/silversurfer198902422hm0.jpg
So he was hardly helpless against it.

So being down for a panel or two somehow means that you're absolutely helpless? It funny how you never show the next page where Surfer's gotten rid of all the energy draining devices(which again means that he was hardly helpless against them)...
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4857/silversurfer199712416fm4.jpg

I fail to see why transmutation would even be necessary for Surfer to do that. After all, Cyborgs body can't even withstand a punch from a depowered Supes...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8057/returnofsuperman456sh8.jpg

And when Supes gets his powers back, Cyborgs completely screwed...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2733/returnofsuperman462gk2.jpg
If Henshaw can't take that, there's no way he has a chance against Surfer.

Low showings are fun to use aren't they?

Total bullshit right there. Superman had just been fully REPOWERED by the sacrifice of the Eradicator. Cyborg was the one who was weakened. THE 2ND FREAKING PANEL SAYS SO! haermm And btw, Cyborg isn't killed if you smash his body. He'll just migrate to some other tech and recreate it. Cyborg beamed himself all the way to a little device he put on Doomsday, who was at least a few galaxies away.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Total bullshit right there. Superman had just been fully REPOWERED by the sacrifice of the Eradicator. Cyborg was the one who was weakened. THE 2ND FREAKING PANEL SAYS SO! haermm And btw, Cyborg isn't killed if you smash his body. He'll just migrate to some other tech and recreate it. Cyborg beamed himself all the way to a little device he put on Doomsday, who was at least a few galaxies away.

You should try actually reading what's been posted before talking shit...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I was going to leave this thread alone and just leave you to your bias and double standards, but since you've now resorted to flat out lying I guess I'll step in so everyone knows how things really went down...

Wrong, dumb luck had nothing to do with it. He made it out of that ship by reprogramming the damn thing... http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3738/silversurfer198902421wq6.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2807/silversurfer198902422hm0.jpg
So he was hardly helpless against it.

So being down for a panel or two somehow means that you're absolutely helpless? It funny how you never show the next page where Surfer's gotten rid of all the energy draining devices(which again means that he was hardly helpless against them)...
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4857/silversurfer199712416fm4.jpg

I fail to see why transmutation would even be necessary for Surfer to do that. After all, Cyborgs body can't even withstand a punch from a depowered Supes...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8057/returnofsuperman456sh8.jpg

And when Supes gets his powers back, Cyborgs completely screwed...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2733/returnofsuperman462gk2.jpg
If Henshaw can't take that, there's no way he has a chance against Surfer.

Low showings are fun to use aren't they?

Yes he was at full power in the second scan(which I specifically mentioned), but in the first scan Supes was still depowered 😉 .