Cyborg Superman vs. Silver Surfer

Started by darthgoober18 pages

Originally posted by masterbruce
no one has ever succeeded...

Did they fail, or just not try?

Originally posted by darthgoober
But the cybernetic jaw wouldn't have Supes DNA, so the metal itself shouldn't have been weakened.
You'd have to talk to Avalon about it, because he's more knowledgable on the character I admit. It's been a very long time since I went over a lot of early/mid-nineties material. His wiki however says that it does weaken his tech side as well.

Originally posted by Newjak
Can you also prove that Cyborg Supes Bio Aura is as good as Superman's because we know Superman is stronger 🙂

I never said his aura was as strong as supes, but it will be sufficient against surfer's transmutation abilities, an ability he pretty much never uses, I might add.

Originally posted by Juntai
You'd have to talk to Avalon about it, because he's more knowledgable on the character I admit. It's been a very long time since I went over a lot of early/mid-nineties material. His wiki however says that it does weaken his tech side as well.

Then the fortress itself would become vulnerable to k-nite, red sun radiation, and solar energy absorbing too right?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did they fail, or just not try?

that I cannot answer

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then the fortress itself would become vulnerable to k-nite, red sun radiation, and solar energy absorbing too right?

and how would surfer know about these weaknesses?

Originally posted by masterbruce
that I cannot answer

Well that seems to be a pretty important piece of info to me. Surfer didn't try to trasmute the Rhino either, but that doesn't mean that Rhino can't be transmuted.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I never said his aura was as strong as supes, but it will be sufficient against surfer's transmutation abilities, an ability he pretty much never uses, I might add.
So you don't even know if Cyborg Supes Bio Aura would protect him like Superman's.

Weak Evidence at best.

Silver Surfer turns the Fortress into water 🙂

Originally posted by masterbruce
I never said his aura was as strong as supes, but it will be sufficient against surfer's transmutation abilities, an ability he pretty much never uses, I might add.

You should look at Surfer's updated respect thread, he's actually got quite a record as far as transmutation goes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
and how would surfer know about these weaknesses?

Basic knowledge combined with cosmic awareness.

logical proof on why surfer can't transmute powerful beings:

a. surfer is a pacifist and does not like violence

b. if a pacifist has alternate means of resolution such as transmutation, the pacifist will not resort to violence

c. surfer DOES use violence, and alot of it to boot

Conclusion: therefore, surfer is either not a pacifist or cannot transmute opponents. Since we KNOW he is a pacifist, Surfer must not be able to transmute opponents.

Originally posted by masterbruce
logical proof on why surfer can't transmute powerful beings:

a. surfer is a pacifist and does not like violence

b. if a pacifist has alternate means of resolution such as transmutation, the pacifist will not resort to violence

c. surfer DOES use violence, and alot of it to boot

Conclusion: therefore, surfer is either not a pacifist or cannot transmute opponents. Since we KNOW he is a pacifist, Surfer must not be able to transmute opponents.


You'd have a point if Surfer hadn't transmuted several opponents in the past...

Originally posted by masterbruce
logical proof on why surfer can't transmute powerful beings:

a. surfer is a pacifist and does not like violence

b. if a pacifist has alternate means of resolution such as transmutation, the pacifist will not resort to violence

c. surfer DOES use violence, and alot of it to boot

Conclusion: therefore, surfer is either not a pacifist or cannot transmute opponents. Since we KNOW he is a pacifist, Surfer must not be able to transmute opponents.

Except we do know he can transmutate matter.

So your logic falls apart at the very beginning 🙂

Who is the toughest opponent Surfer has transmuted?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Who is the toughest opponent Surfer has transmuted?

Why does that matter since your whole point was that he must not be able to transmute opponents in the first place?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why does that matter since your whole point was that he must not be able to transmute opponents in the first place?

no, my point is that he can't transmute powerful opponents.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Who is the toughest opponent Surfer has transmuted?
Like I said before it doesn't matter. All that matters is if the person trying to be transmutated has either A) Their own transmutation ability or B) has shown resistance to it.

None of which you can verify therefore turning the Fortress into Water would be the same as SS turning lead into gold. 🙂

oh btw, since by KMC rules we use current versions of characters, current Cyborg has TEN Qwardian Rings

Surfer is f$%ked

whether or not he can transmute fortress is moot point

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, my point is that he can't transmute powerful opponents.

Legacy and Quasimodo leap to mind in regards to who he's transmuted. But since we're talking about him transmuting non organic matter, I fail to see how it's relevant.

Originally posted by masterbruce
oh btw, since by KMC rules we use current versions of characters, current Cyborg has TEN Qwardian Rings

Surfer is f$%ked

whether or not he can transmute fortress is moot point

Except current Silver Surfer is no longer a pacifist and therefore would not hesitate to blow the entire planet and all its tech up then drain the rings 🙂