Cyborg Superman vs. Silver Surfer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by Newjak
Like I said before it doesn't matter. All that matters is if the person trying to be transmutated has either A) Their own transmutation ability or B) has shown resistance to it.
None of which you can verify therefore turning the Fortress into Water would be the same as SS turning lead into gold. 🙂

it does matter becuz i dont think he can transmute someone who has even the most minimal protective bioaura.

Just because I can KO aunt may doesnt mean I can KO Hulk

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by masterbruce
oh btw, since by KMC rules we use current versions of characters, current Cyborg has TEN Qwardian Rings
Surfer is f$%ked
whether or not he can transmute fortress is moot point

Except that it was specified by the thread starter that he didn't have the rings.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by masterbruce
it does matter becuz i dont think he can transmute someone who has even the most minimal protective bioaura.
Just because I can KO aunt may doesnt mean I can KO Hulk

And how does Henshaw have the bio aura if he's given up his organic form and taken the form of the fortress itself?

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by masterbruce
it does matter becuz i dont think he can transmute someone who has even the most minimal protective bioaura.
Just because I can KO aunt may doesnt mean I can KO Hulk

Except if you can transmutate Aunt May then you can also Transmutate Namor. See where your logic falls apart.

You can not provide proof that the Fortress or Cyborg's bio aurua can resist transmutation. 🙂

Validus Senior Member

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Except that it was specified by the thread starter that he didn't have the rings.

actually the thread starter didn't specify that.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Validus

lol/

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by masterbruce
actually the thread starter didn't specify that.

Originally posted by Avlon
Classic Henshaw or current Henshaw with 8 yellow rings?

Originally posted by batdude123
He's formidable enough without the rings.

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
And how does Henshaw have the bio aura if he's given up his organic form and taken the form of the fortress itself?

who ever said he has to give up his organic form to go techform...he can just put organic parts to the fortress as he please

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by darthgoober
I was going to leave this thread alone and just leave you to your bias and double standards, but since you've now resorted to flat out lying I guess I'll step in so everyone knows how things really went down...
Wrong, dumb luck had nothing to do with it. He made it out of that ship by reprogramming the damn thing... http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3738/silversurfer198902421wq6.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2807/silversurfer198902422hm0.jpg
So he was hardly helpless against it.

Really? So Surfer wouldn't have ample opportunity to be destroyed there by Henshaw? If that Pacman thing would have shown up there, SS wouldn't have been a goner? It was dumb luck. He got out of it (to his credit) but it wasn't like he powered his way though invincibly...

Originally posted by darthgoober
So being down for a panel or two somehow means that you're absolutely helpless? It funny how you never show the next page where Surfer's gotten rid of all the energy draining devices(which again means that he was hardly helpless against them)...
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4857/silversurfer199712416fm4.jpg

Energy draining devices plus a superman+ level opponent, and tech & magic devices from all around the universe.

Cyborg doesn't need to be in a body to fight Surfer in this match up...or he could be in multiple bodies.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I fail to see why transmutation would even be necessary for Surfer to do that. After all, Cyborgs body can't even withstand a punch from a depowered Supes...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8057/returnofsuperman456sh8.jpg
[QUOTE=9465887]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]And when Supes gets his powers back, Cyborgs completely screwed...
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2733/returnofsuperman462gk2.jpg
If Henshaw can't take that, there's no way he has a chance against Surfer.

Depowered Supes who was slowly gaining his powers back vs brick and hair which have stopped Surfer. Who has the lowest point?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Low showings are fun to use aren't they?

They sure are.

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober

batdude merely made an observation that Henshaw is powerful even without the rings.

batdude never said that for this battle henshaw does not have the rings.

Dreamcatcher Blackout

This is still going on?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
Really? So Surfer wouldn't have ample opportunity to be destroyed there by Henshaw? If that Pacman thing would have shown up there, SS wouldn't have been a goner? It was dumb luck. He got out of it (to his credit) but it wasn't like he powered his way though invincibly...

Surfer had already delt with the Pac Man thing and was dealing with the rest of the ships defenses when he reprogrammed it. I'd say he pretty much powered through since he'd been cut into multiple pieces(and before you say anything that feat's only been replicated by the Uni Lord) on the way to reprogram the ship.

Originally posted by Avlon
Energy draining devices plus a superman+ level opponent, and tech & magic devices from all around the universe.
Cyborg doesn't need to be in a body to fight Surfer in this match up...or he could be in multiple bodies.

All of which gets transmuted by Surfer with the possible exception of Henshaw's organic portions which go down to red sun radiation and solar energy absorption.

Originally posted by Avlon
Depowered Supes who was slowly gaining his powers back vs brick and hair which have stopped Surfer. Who has the lowest point?

Well considering the fact that Surfer was depowered himself by Galactus at the time of the Inhuman's fight, I'd say that that they're right on par with each other.

Originally posted by Avlon
They sure are.

And again, Surfer was depowered by Galactus at that point in time.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by masterbruce
batdude merely made an observation that Henshaw is powerful even without the rings.
batdude never said that for this battle henshaw does not have the rings.

It was definitely implied, but if you'd like actual clarification we can PM him and ask.

darthgoober Senior Member

Double post.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer had already delt with the Pac Man thing and was dealing with the rest of the ships defenses when he reprogrammed it. I'd say he pretty much powered through since he'd been cut into multiple pieces on the way to reprogram the ship.

He ran away from it. Far from dealing with it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
All of which gets transmuted by Surfer with the possible exception of Henshaw's organic portions which go down to red sun radiation and solar energy absorption.

Have you ever seen any part of henshaw transmuted? I could say that surfers metallic skin gets possessed by henshaw ftw.

I'm still waiting for proof of the fortress being transmuted. There are already plenty of times tech has defeated SS and he was helpless or couldn't transmute.

The ball is in Henshaw's court..not Surfers.

Funny, I've seen Thanos killed by matter manip...yet Surfer can't seem to use it on him even when being beaten to death..strange...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well considering the fact that Surfer was depowered himself by Galactus at the time of the Inhuman's fight, I'd say that that they're right on par with each other.

A brick is a brick.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And again, Surfer was depowered by Galactus at that point in time.

Again, a brick is a brick...and his powers worked the same.

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by Avlon
He ran away from it. Far from dealing with it.
Have you ever seen any part of henshaw transmuted? I could say that surfers metallic skin gets possessed by henshaw ftw.
I'm still waiting for proof of the fortress being transmuted. There are already plenty of times tech has defeated SS and he was helpless or couldn't transmute.
The ball is in Henshaw's court..not Surfers.
Funny, I've seen Thanos killed by matter manip...yet Surfer can't seem to use it on him even when being beaten to death..strange...
A brick is a brick.
Again, a brick is a brick...and his powers worked the same.

So your only real argument against it is I've never seen it happen therefore it can not happen? 😬

I mean I've never seen Hulk lose to Eternity therefore I guess he can beat Eternity right 🙄

Listen it isn't our job to offer proof. we have offered a viable tactic for SS in handling the Fortress. You on the other hand can not really say why it wouldn't work just that it won't because you don't want it to 🙂

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
He ran away from it. Far from dealing with it.

Let's see, he shut it down by exposing it to it's weakness, and then went on to reprogram the CPU of the ship. I'd classify that as dealing with it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Have you ever seen any part of henshaw transmuted? I could say that surfers metallic skin gets possessed by henshaw ftw.

Except that the silvery substance isn't actual metal, it's a form of solidified cosmic energy.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm still waiting for proof of the fortress being transmuted. There are already plenty of times tech has defeated SS and he was helpless or couldn't transmute.
The ball is in Henshaw's court..not Surfers.
Funny, I've seen Thanos killed by matter manip...yet Surfer can't seem to use it on him even when being beaten to death..strange...

That's funny cause I'm still waiting for proof of the fortress resisting transmutation. Devices CAN be built to resist the power cosmic, but what proof do you have that the Fortress Qualifies as one of them? Who's tried to transmute it and failed?

Originally posted by Avlon
A brick is a brick.

And as punch from depowered Supes is a punch from depowered Supes. At least the brick had a plot device explanation for it, depowered Supes just knocked the shit out of Henshaw.

Originally posted by Avlon
Again, a brick is a brick...and his powers worked the same.

But at a far lower level.

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by Newjak
we have offered a viable tactic for SS in handling the Fortress.

you have merely offered a tactic. how viable it is we do not know.

by the evidence and showings, evidence points that Surfer's transmutation power is very very limited

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by masterbruce
you have merely offered a tactic. how viable it is we do not know.
by the evidence and showings, evidence points that Surfer's transmutation power is very very limited

Did you ever actually take a look at the updated SS respect thread? His transmutation powers are far from limited. In fact there's a whole section dedicated to it, and his ability to manipulate tech.