Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Started by Alfheim163 pages

Furthermore that was a chaep shot anyway. Its shows that was the only way for Wolverine to get the drop on him.

Originally posted by Badabing

The person who bumped this thread with these scans and opened this can of worms = dur.

Oh wait, that's me.....🙁 😮
durfist to me then!

That fight is exactly how they're fights should go, the only part that was wrong was Wolverines punch actually moving Namor. He should barely flinch. But thats Marvel for you.

Wolverine is not even in Namors league.

Vida comenzar cuándo nacimiento fines.

Originally posted by TheTick
That fight is exactly how they're fights should go, the only part that was wrong was Wolverines punch actually moving Namor. He should barely flinch. But thats Marvel for you.

I can buy Namor falling off a roof while reeling from being stabbed in the chest no problem.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I can buy Namor falling off a roof while reeling from being stabbed in the chest no problem.

I could believe that but you see the "crack" when he hits him and he goes flying BECAUSE of the punch. Which is wrong.

EDIT: Taking a second look at it, yeah it looks more believavle but he really should of used claws or pushed him or something

Vida comenzar cuándo nacimiento fines.

I guess "crack" is about the as good a sound as any for what amounts to hitting a brick wall with a bag of metal.

I also love how Namor's head rips up the tile and gutter as he falls without mussing his hair. He must use the same brand of styling gel as Superman.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I guess "crack" is about the as good a sound as any for what amounts to hitting a brick wall with a bag of metal.

I also love how Namor's head rips up the tile and gutter as he falls without mussing his hair. He must use the same brand of styling gel as Superman.

It might just be really short.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore that was a chaep shot anyway. Its shows that was the only way for Wolverine to get the drop on him.
By that reasoning we could say the same of the reverse, since Namor's first shot was a cheap shot while Wolverine was just trying to scare him off.

"I'm an ally! I'm an ally!" *suckerpunch* "Damn it Logan I'm your ally!"

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I guess "crack" is about the as good a sound as any for what amounts to hitting a brick wall with a bag of metal.

I also love how Namor's head rips up the tile and gutter as he falls without mussing his hair. He must use the same brand of styling gel as Superman.

Its not the sound that bothered me its his reaction with it, but looking at it more and more is slowly convincing me.

I wish I had gel like that. 😄

Vida comenzar cuándo nacimiento fines.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Namor said "Didnt you try to kill me?"
Wolverine said "Who you callling clumsy?" ie "Yeah I did but im too pissed to admit it so i'll settle for calling you ducklips instead."
What he didnt say was "I was just trying to injure you, you should count yourself lucky."

Namor didnt say there were no vitals there he said "You attempted to kill me!"

He also suggested that Wolverine attempted to kill him in Civil War.. I'll ask you again.. If he was why was his followup shot clawless?

If he was in Civil War why didn't he hit the vitals?

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Another wonky thing about the Civil War fight: How could you conceivably stab someone in the chest 3-6 times and not at least puncture a lung or open a major vein/artery? Was wolvie aiming for the clavicles or something?

That's kinda what I thought, I don't know..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore that was a chaep shot anyway. Its shows that was the only way for Wolverine to get the drop on him.

you mean like Namor cheap shotted Wolverine when the fight started?
Because I mean lets totally ignore all the dozen or so non cheap shots that Wolverine's scored on Namor DURING FIGHTS....

Wolvie NEEDS a cheap shot?
😂

yeah that's what it means! 🙄

Originally posted by TheTick
I could believe that but you see the "crack" when he hits him and he goes flying BECAUSE of the punch. Which is wrong.

EDIT: Taking a second look at it, yeah it looks more believavle but he really should of used claws or pushed him or something

Vida comenzar cuándo nacimiento fines.

So Namor can't be budged by a Wolverine punch?
Even though Wolverine can lift some 2 tons?

and Namor weighs somewhere between 200 and 230 pounds?

🤨

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I hope that you, a man who tries to claim that New Invaders #6 is perfect portrayal of Namor in fight, aren't attempting to say that this fight isn't valid. 😄

Because it would be really, really ironic.

Actually I didn't say this fight was invalid.. I don't have a problem with it enough to discard, but Wolverine is clearly portrayed as a bit of an idiot.

If Logan was actually fighting for blood he would have stabbed him in the face or kneck instead of his torso. Good thing there was water around I guess.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Logan was actually fighting for blood he would have stabbed him in the face or kneck instead of his torso. Good thing there was water around I guess.

EXACTLY... THANK YOU. common sense people.

Originally posted by jinzin
So Namor can't be budged by a Wolverine punch?
Even though Wolverine can lift some 2 tons?

and Namor weighs somewhere between 200 and 230 pounds?

🤨

Yeah I never understood that with comic physics as class 100 punches or anything of super strength really should send anything they hit flying..but meh! comics.

That's one of the things I loved about the Authority, and Black Adam's recent mayhem too.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Neither him nor Namor were fighting at optimum levels.

Namor had just come out of Water... (the ocean was twelve feet away) AND he had his suit....
Wolverine just healed from a skeleton and then took some punishment from someone in the 60+ strength class.
Wolverine a weeeeee bit worse off than Namor who WAS at optimal levels...

😐

Originally posted by jrodslam
And Wolverine was kicking Namors ass? Are YOU serious? You mention he could have stabbed Namor at first connection, but if you noticed when Namor hit him, Wolvie had the claws extracted. Maybe Namor hit him before he could get off the stab.

Okay you tell me were Wolverine's claws are extracted here okay...

FIRST CONNECTION:
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8956/wolverine4501hd1if2.jpg

Cause I don't see one damned bit of evidence to show that they are out, no claws, no wounds, no blood, nothin...

Originally posted by jrodslam
You mention Wolvies healing factor not being as productive anymore from being blown up by Nitro? Umm 2 issues before? He clearly didnt show any signs of healing factor being reduced. Also, by time he engaged Namor, he had ample time to heal whatever wounds he may have had. The guard ran to Wolvie to engage, and Wolvie EASIY took him down.

Easily? they had a fight that lasted half an issue.. at any case: you're being completely ignorant here...

Wolverine got burnt to a skeleton that right there TAXED his healing factor...

His healing factor doesn't run on magic.... It runs on this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/739/howhfworksqt5.jpg

Of which he had neither since Nitro turned him into a skeleton...

Plus he states in the issue before his fight with namor that he isn't doin so hot:
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6431/nitro7ue9.jpg

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whether the guard ran over or not, Wolvies back would have been turned either way because Wolvie was after Nitro. Numbers game my ass.

So NOW you're trying to defend the fact that Namor used a sneak attack by saying Wolverine would have turned away anyway so it's okay?
Why would he have turned away, because of another would-be threat so yeah NUMBERS played a part no matter how much you want to downsize it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You dont think Wolvie was trying to kill or inflict serious pain on Namor? " 'Cept is GORE people to death." I guess Wolvie was teasing.😬
Wolvie underestimated Namors tolerance for pain? Thats a horrible excuse considering he knows Namor pretty well and has both stabbed and sliced him in previous encounters. It cost him indeed, but not due to underestimating Namor. Due to missing.

The last two encounters that Wolverine's had with Namor HE WAS MIND CONTROLED. 🤨

he even says as that fight kicks off that he doesn't really remember too well what happened in ref to the new invaders fight...
I never said Wolverine wasn't out to inflict serious pain, he was trying to put Namor down without killing the man. It's that simple... If it wasn't the fight would have ended more akin to this:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8282/whatifnamorcx5.jpg

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well initially, Namor seemed as if he didnt even want to fight. And what what he trying to get done? Knock him out? Before using the tree, Namor delivered only 2 hits. One was to get Wolvie off him, and the other was a stun kick. Because he knew Wolvie was being controlled, he held back in his attacking.

He picks up a massive tree to swat Wolverine with and you think he held back... HAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by jrodslam
I hear what youre saying, but to say Namor used a weapon cause he saw that he was losing or going to lose is absurd. If he picks up a tree, uses an I-beam, car, boulder or whatever, its because he can. .
and because he needs it to do a job that his fists aren't doing for him alone....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Powerhouses have that luxury of doing stuff like that. However, im not going to say things like "He won because he used a steel pole." or something like that. If the fight was suppose to be pure h2h, then THAT is a different story..

I never said they couldn't do stuff like that in the comics, but in the forums the fights ARE supposed to be what every character consistently brings to the table and only that unless otherwise state.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Arrogant and insulting? Thats not my style. How else would you be able to post the scan of the comic? Now youre being insulting my friend. We ALL know that posting a scan doesnt mean you actually own the comic and/or scanned it yourself. They are many people here who post scans, and dont know what happened before the scan in question.

Most of those people are stupid or ignorant.. but considering that I did post the scan after scanning it, to prove what I was saying... well it kinda dictates some obvious fact.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How am i reaching? Namor is probably the most prideful character in comic book hstory. Even if he knows his opponent is more powerful or stronger, hed still talk trash and say hed beat that persons ass.

Him saying "My pride is not so great...", is him saying that its not his pride talking at all. I figured youd understand that.

No him saying my pride is not so great is him saying that he doesn't have so much pride that he can't admit defeat.
It's simple English and readin comprehension.

Originally posted by jrodslam
That doesnt make sense to you probably because you dont understand. You think im trying to be insulting, but most people who know prideful characters ESPECALLY Namor, knows that hed talk treash and say he could beat someone no matter what. People have made comments on his pride from Cap, Ironman, Reed, Attuma, Strange, etc. Him saying what he said, HOW he said it is basically saying that his pride has nothing to do with what he was saying re: fighting Wolvie.

Thats like me saying i can beat Jordan in basketball, and you tell me."Aww jrod, thats just your pride talking." I come back and say.."My pride's not that great that i believe i can beat....."


PUH-LEASE... 4 years of college level English courses and you're telling me I don't understand this crap?

It's absurd.

In any case, that's not how the conversation between Namor and Sssesthugar went down as it is, so your example's skewed right off the bat.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor was giving Wolvie props in a way, because he had faith in him, but Wolvies will was indeed broken like stated. Untill he was accidently freed ofcourse.

In a way my ass.. he said that Wolverine's will remained unbroken and then he admitted he couldn't take Wolvie if Wolverine wasn't being mind controlled...
He was straight up giving Wolverine props.

Originally posted by jinzin
EXACTLY... THANK YOU. common sense people.
To be fair though I don't think it's safe to assume everytime Logan does not go for the throat to say he's not giving a effort. Namor wasn't exactly in fight mode when Logan stabbed him. He was helping him up.