Originally posted by jinzin
being a part of the setting is just one of the many many features of various plot devices.. your argument does explain the rationale for their use as weapons.. but it does not make them anything less than plot devices...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Come on. You can do better.
Originally posted by jinzinImo they aren't plot devices. They definitely aren't the Deus ex Machina you implied with your gun comparison. They aren't a "cheap win". They're allowed. So... Wolverine is crushed by a building.
being a part of the setting is just one of the many many features of various plot devices.. your argument does explain the rationale for their use as weapons.. but it does not make them anything less than plot devices...
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
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Originally posted by Melnorme
They're not disallowed. Namor crushes Wolverine with a garbage truck. Have a nice day.
I've never argued that they weren't allowed.. just pointed out that they are infact plot devices... you can't really argue against it since it's a fact so you resort to posting that ridiculous pic...
infact I can admit wolverine loses via plot device.. but that defeats the purpose of a 1on1 thread...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Imo they aren't plot devices. They definitely aren't the Deus ex Machina you implied with your gun comparison. They aren't a "cheap win". They're allowed. So... Wolverine is crushed by a building.
fine i can admit that.. but you have to admit that the building is infact a plot device... it's a plot device by definition man..
Originally posted by jinzin
I've never argued that they weren't allowed.. just pointed out that they are infact plot devices... you can't really argue against it since it's a fact so you resort to posting that ridiculous pic...infact I can admit wolverine loses via plot device.. but that defeats the purpose of a 1on1 thread...
Hitting someone with scenery isn't precluded by the rules.
Originally posted by jinzin
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But you still can't show me anything that proves it's existance?
Originally posted by jinzin
of course I've read them.. thanks for the boast of confidence.. 🙄
You have? Sometimes it seems that you ignore it completely...
Originally posted by jinzin
as I said it's a feat that uses both speed and skill I'm not so sure this has been proven that namor could easily do the same...I'm simply calling it into question. as you have done with so many of our proofs...
Namor is a master swordsman, give him one and he will cut through cape.
Originally posted by jinzin
namor can move faster than kitty can forulate a thought? 🤨what draws you to this conclusion? he's have to move fast enough to leave an after image, or appear as if he was a teleporter to be capible of what you just described.. 🤨
Speed of thought: About Mach 1
Hand speed required to move you through 15,000 feet in few seconds: Mach 10-20
Leg speed required to make you jump from meteor to meteor in space: Between Mach 32 and Mach 211
Speed required to grab missiles from air with ease: Mach 2
His limbs move faster then a normal human can think. So he can fight pretty fast.
Originally posted by jinzin
everything's done for the sake of the plot.. if that's the bulk of your argument against it, then you may as well stop using comic feats for your argument since feats are done for the sake of the plot doh
Since Northstar can etc. punch 100 times in less then second, it is then a fact that he was suprised by Kitty phasing and leaving him as an victim. In real battle situation, Wolverine could not touch Northstar.
Originally posted by jinzin
i just told you... no...a mistake... level 7 on anyone iwould be a pretty big mistake to make...
Hey, they put Namor's swimming speed as 60 mph, when he has swam with Mach speeds...do not trust handbooks.
Originally posted by jinzin
not only was that the third or forth blow wolverine took in that fight... but it was the goddamn SAVAGE hulk... that doesn't prove namor can do the same with one hit... AT ALL... 🤨
How much did Wolverine weigh again? about 350 lbs?
How much strenght is there behind Namor's punch? Let's say that he punches with one fourth of his strenght. About 50,000 tons. He would require about one 287th of that strenght to match the weight of Wolverine.
You can't say if it is bird or Wolverine after Namor punches him...
Stop assuming that the laws of gravity do not apply to Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
then we need some clarification.. I assumed not...
Ask Zahit.
Originally posted by jinzin
aside from speed with legs and speed in h2h are two different things? 😕
Not much.
Originally posted by jinzin
that wolverine is fast enough to hit namor.. multiple times..
Even though he has dodged faster things in the past...
Originally posted by jinzin
that wolverine's fighting skills do help...
What did he do with his fighting skills in any of their fights, actually?
Originally posted by jinzin
that his claws are very dangerous to namor..
Sure they are. If he gets time to stab/if he can even touch Namor.
Originally posted by jinzin
that he can take namor's shots and just keep coming like nothing happened....
Flying miles and hitting the ground will hurt even Wolverine, trust me.
Originally posted by jinzin
that he can stalemate namor...
Maybe when he is weakened/wroted by a retard.
Originally posted by jinzin
that namor has to resort to plot devices when fighting logan...
So you say he could not defeat Wolverine without hitting him with something. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
that he can beat namor and kill him....
Maybe when he is weakened/wroted by a retard.
Originally posted by jinzin
in the water?.. okay.. out of water? no... fresh from water?... sometimes, depending on the hulk...
Let's wait until Zahit says who he is.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd love to.. however cptjk won't reply to my emails and I'm not shifting through 400 pages to find one reference to one incident... if anyone else knows what I'm talking about please post it...
Until that, you don't have proof.
Originally posted by jinzin
this I actually agree with you here... but it does attest that humans can touch him.. kinda like dd did... if that's the case than he isn't too fast for wolverine.. especially when he's already proven not to be...
Humans touch Wolverine all the time. Kinda like DD/Captain America do.
You can notice that they have much harder time fighting Namor then Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
uh-oh.... 😕
After all this time in KMC, you still don't know what Plot Induced Stupidity and Character Induced Stupidity mean?
Originally posted by jinzin
no not really... not when you have several examples of direct comparison that prove it's not enough.. in that same regard.. people dodge bullets all the time.. bullets are faster than wolverine? no? yet those same people have loads of trouble dodging wolverine.. wonder why? cause it's not the same thing...
But the fact is, that Namor can move his fists faster then bullets. He moves with incredible speeds.
Originally posted by jinzin
that's the only other page before it? how did namor end up behind cap like that?
why would cap immediately ditch his sheild? doesn't make sense...
So what does that to have to do with speed? He knows that the laser was about to be fired. He knows it before that.
Blame the artist for wierd positions.
Originally posted by jinzin
go back and look at what I said before.. I said he picked up on it before the laser fired... it's a feat that tells how advanced his sense are.. they will most definitely help him hit namor.. cutting through bullets an' all...
Except that Namor can move faster then bullets.
Originally posted by jinzin
good feat... does this superscede logan dodging lasers though? no not really
Show me a time when Wolverine dodged lasers when he was near losing his conciouness.