Originally posted by jinzin
i told you to ask 8888 he'll give you the issue number off the top of his head...
Shoudn't you be the one providing the proof? 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
but can he cut through the cape while she's in midflight uisng a perpendicular cut without harming her? who knows...
Who does, indeed.
Originally posted by jinzin
that's ridiculous.. you can't put a speed on thought at moc one.. otherwise moc one would be near instanious.. which it definitely is not...
"Concerning Superspeed
It's said that the speed of thought is about 30 m/s.
Note that it's meters per second, not miles
Reference:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml"
You should read those forum rules more often.
Originally posted by jinzin
perhaps faster than a human can register.. but not faster than one can think.. otherwise he'd be moving so fast no one could ever see him.. he doesnt...
Swimming basics:
"The motion of the hand, arm, and leg from back to the front should be in the air as much as possible, and in the water, oriented as perfectly as possible, because the returning appendage has to move at least twice as fast as the swimmer, and in the water generates eight times the drag (drag increases with the cube of the speed) of an equal amount of torso frontal area."
So, if Namor swims at Mach 5, his hands move with speed of Mach 10. Mach 8, Mach 16 and so forth...
Originally posted by jinzin
that didn't seem to be what northstar thought... guess we'll find out f there's ever a rematch...
I guess Northstar has been underpowered during the years...
Originally posted by jinzin
sorry but it's another matter of consistency... how could he be consistently mislabeled?
Because handbook writers don't bother to do anything else then read the last entry, modify the history and put the powers like they were ten years ago, not changing a thing unless there is an radical change.
And besides, wasn't Ogun's speed because he could teleport in his astral form?
Unless comics say ANYTHING about him going with warp speed, it's mislabeled...
Originally posted by jinzin
nice strawman.. but the feat you used was savage hulk not namor..and WHAO.. since when is namor 50,000 tons out of water?
perhaps I DID make a premature assessment...
"strawman"?
And his strenght doesn't decrease instantly when out of water.
what are you reffering to here?
Originally posted by jinzin
hey there's your buddy the srawman again 😱 that's not something i've ever done.
Alright then, counter this:
Now it is "srawman"?
Originally posted by jinzin
you're joking right? they're applied in completely different ways.. 😕
If he can jump in meteor to meteor, which are moving with Mach 32-211, I'm sure that he can kick quite fast...
Originally posted by jinzin
we've already been over this.. the human eye can register namor.. it can't register a bullet.. wolverine cuts bullets out of the air.. namor shouldn't be a problem... see the thing is... he hasn't dodged wolverine with ease.. and that presents a major problem to your he can dodge wolverine with ease argument.. if you have no proof that he can dodge wolverine.. and I have proof that wolverine can hit him.. well.....
Slash him. Name ONE time when a slash has put him down on count.
And besides, the first time Namor was not at his full power, second time the figth was written by an idiot.
Originally posted by jinzin
besides stalemate namor on one occasionand swewer him on the next? 😕
Stalemate when he is weak
Defeat him through the use of CIS 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
like the last two times they've thrown down? 😕
"Stalemate when he is weak
Defeat him through the use of CIS 😕"
Originally posted by jinzin
hey strawman, how you doing buddy?who said it wouldn't? 🤨
he's already proven that he can take namor's hits though.. 🤨
Namor was not hitting him near with full power.
Originally posted by jinzin
damn strawman.. are you following me?no that's not what I said.. just pointed out that he has yet to FIGHT wolverine without resorting to grabbing something to hit him with.. nevermind actually beating wolverine..
I think my name here on KMC is "DarkCrawler" not "strawman"...
With both fighting WITHOUT CIS, Namor would defeat him.
Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. and? who said they haven't?funny you should mention those two though.. considering they've also laid their mits on namor on a few occasions.... hmmmm
And since Namor always holds his power when fighting human opponents...
Originally posted by jinzin
yes they do.. but a>>bdoesn't always mean a>>c
Why to bring those two up then, anyway?
Originally posted by jinzin
we were just over this.. it's called consistency.. eventually you're just going to have o accept that it's part of his character...
And PIS doesn't apply here, so he CAN and WILL dodge Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
i'd like to see this. cause again.. he'd be moving so fast that he would appear to have dissapeared...
"The motion of the hand, arm, and leg from back to the front should be in the air as much as possible, and in the water, oriented as perfectly as possible, because the returning appendage has to move at least twice as fast as the swimmer, and in the water generates eight times the drag (drag increases with the cube of the speed) of an equal amount of torso frontal area."
So, if Namor swims at Mach 5, his hands move with speed of Mach 10. Mach 8, Mach 16 and so forth...
Plus his hands punching dozen times in a moment under incredible pressure...you know that he actually moves faster on land?
And then there is that meteor thing...
Do bullets even move with Mach speeds?
Can human eye register something flying with 200-400 MPH around them?
Originally posted by jinzin
pheonix saga anyone?
That's hardly an issue number...or a scan.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I guess Northstar has been underpowered during the years...
He has been, when was the last time you seen him speedblitz anyone? Like really with Wolverine jumping at him he could leveled him with a hundred punches in a less than a second or just move out of the way of his attacks. Like he easily beat Sabertooth, why's Wolverine any different?
Originally posted by Melnorme
But you admit that, if he can get his hands on a truck, or a boat, or something sufficiently heavy, Namor will certainly prevail against Wolverine?
certainly? no.. there are not many things that are EVER certain.. but his chances for victory do drastically increase yes...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Shoudn't you be the one providing the proof? 😕
sure you could argue that.. but my proof of wolverine stalemating and beating namor wasn't enough... 😂
ask him.. it's that simple..
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Concerning SuperspeedIt's said that the speed of thought is about 30 m/s.
Note that it's meters per second, not miles
Reference:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml"
how the hell does one apply distance to thought? when thought is near instantanious... that's representing how one's nerve impulses travel.. not the same thing... unless namor has a waaaay overdeveloped brain that I'm not aware of.. 😕
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So, if Namor swims at Mach 5, his hands move with speed of Mach 10. Mach 8, Mach 16 and so forth...
againhe'd have to think faster than others can register thought.. that's nearly impossible enough... thinking then moving faster than it takes to formulate one thought would make him to fast to be seen.. that's not the case.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because handbook writers don't bother to do anything else then read the last entry, modify the history and put the powers like they were ten years ago, not changing a thing unless there is an radical change.
so even if ogun's speed is wrong then it's not radically wrong...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And besides, wasn't Ogun's speed because he could teleport in his astral form?
that was dizzles explaination... the jury's still out on that one...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Unless comics say ANYTHING about him going with warp speed, it's mislabeled...
but not radically so as per your own admission.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"strawman"?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And his strenght doesn't decrease instantly when out of water.
so you're assuming fresh from water? what feats has he done that put him at 50,000 tons in water? I'm not being an ass here. I'm genuinely curious...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Alright then, counter this:Now it is "srawman"?
it is kind of..but it's more relivant than you last one.. the thing is I don't need to counter that.. it's pretty evident that if namor hits wolvie he should be sending him airborne depending on the direction of the punch...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If he can jump in meteor to meteor, which are moving with Mach 32-211, I'm sure that he can kick quite fast...
yes I agree.. but kicking fast doesn't dictate a fast h2h fighter..
there are many girls I know who are extremely fast kickers but lack true h2h speed... it's about more than muscles...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Slash him. Name ONE time when a slash has put him down on count.
you're strawmanning again.. the claim was namor's too fast for wolverine.. I have proof that he isn't... your response is that slashes can't put him down which implies my argument was that slashes would... I haven't made that claim... I don't need to find you ONE time that slashes have put him down because that's not a part of my argument..
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And besides, the first time Namor was not at his full power, second time the figth was written by an idiot.
immediately out of water? who says he is here?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor was not hitting him near with full power.
how do you know? 😕
there's a pretty clear indication that he was pissed on both accounts...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think my name here on KMC is "DarkCrawler" not "strawman"...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
With both fighting WITHOUT CIS, Namor would defeat him.
maybe....
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why to bring those two up then, anyway?
because although the a over b = a over c argument doesn't work in terms of a fight it does however work in termsof applying wolverine's speed in this fight...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And PIS doesn't apply here, so he CAN and WILL dodge Wolverine.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Plus his hands punching dozen times in a moment under incredible pressure...you know that he actually moves faster on land?
how can you be sure? if he's as upgraded in water as the claims say this may not be true....
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Do bullets even move with Mach speeds?
some bullets break the sound barrier... yes...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can human eye register something flying with 200-400 MPH around them?
That's hardly an issue number...or a scan. [/B][/QUOTE]
when I get back home I'll post one for ya...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Well then have a good cry about it becasue, buddy, I've got news for you. There is no other option but Namor wiping up the streets with Wolverine.
why would I cry? going by your own made up scenario I wholly agree...
Originally posted by Melnorme
How would Wolverine overcome being hit repeatedly by a garbage truck and left for dead under it?
this scenario asserts that without question namor will easily get his hands on a plot device to hit wolverine with and will without question hit wolverine a number of times then secure wolverine frimly helpless under something of decent size...
the scenario leaves no room for wolverine to get the first strike, no room for wolverine to dodge the plot device, for wolverine to nail namor while he holds the plot device over himself, thus using the plot device against himself.. or any of a number of other options... thus there's nothing to do but agree to that scenario...
in that same notion.. would you agree that if wolverine punched namor in the face claws unsheathed he would win this fight?
Originally posted by jinzin
in that same notion.. would you agree that if wolverine punched namor in the face claws unsheathed he would win this fight?
I don't think he could hit Namor.
And even if he did, cutting his skin and stabbing through ultra-dense bone are two different things. I'd say, probably not.
Originally posted by Melnorme
I don't think he could hit Namor.And even if he did, cutting his skin and stabbing through ultra-dense bone are two different things. I'd say, probably not.
you're deviating already... my scenario leaves no other options to be discussed than him getting hit now... answer the question.. if wolverine hit namor in the face claws out, would he win?