Originally posted by jinzin
this scenario asserts that without question namor will easily get his hands on a plot device to hit wolverine with
Originally posted by jinzin
and will without question hit wolverine a number of times then secure wolverine frimly helpless under something of decent size...
Originally posted by jinzin
the scenario leaves no room for wolverine to get the first strike
Originally posted by jinzin
no room for wolverine to dodge the plot device
Originally posted by jinzin
for wolverine to nail namor while he holds the plot device over himself, thus using the plot device against himself
Seems very plausible to me. You?
Originally posted by jinzin
thus there's nothing to do but agree to that scenario...
😄
Originally posted by Melnorme
Are there garbage trucks in Manhattan? Okay, yes. Check.
are there any in the immediate vicinity of the fight? don't know..
is namor gonna sprint for a plot device as soon as the fight starts? again.. it's possible.. though I don't think him that cowardly...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Well, if he can hit him with it, he can drop it on him, as well. Check.
no that's not a guarantee... he can hit wolverine with something.. and it could send wolverine back then does that prove he can drop it on top of wolverine? no.... not really...
Originally posted by Melnorme😂
Even if he does, it's not clear that Wolverine can hurt Namor at all.
seemed pretty damn clear when wolverine almost killed him... 🙄
Originally posted by Melnorme
Oh, he might dodge for a while. Are you saying he can dodge indefinitely?
no i haven't "said" anything to assert a position on that particular subject yet.. but since you asked.. I think he actually could dodge a few times if he has too... and close ground while he's at it... he did it to mr x easily enough.. it would be interesting to see at any rate...
Originally posted by Melnorme
That's my favorite part. Assuming that Namor would just stand there like an idiot with a truck over his head, standing well within Wolverine's striking distance. Absurd. You know Namor can fly, right? So, why not just hold the truck at arms length while flying, and slam the whole deal on top of Wolverine a few times, then leave it there?
you know wolverine can jump/run right? how is that any more ridiculous than assuming wolverine's just going to be standing there waiting for the plot device to hit him.. who's to say that wolverine doesn't hide when namor goes for the plot device in the first place.. jumping namor when he comes back like he did to those 200 poor saps of supervillains on the shield carrier?
for your amusement: wolverine vs. namor+plot device
Originally posted by jinzin
are there any in the immediate vicinity of the fight? don't know..
Originally posted by jinzin
is namor gonna sprint for a plot device as soon as the fight starts? again.. it's possible.. though I don't think him that cowardly...
Originally posted by jinzin
no that's not a guarantee... he can hit wolverine with something.. and it could send wolverine back then does that prove he can drop it on top of wolverine? no.... not really...
Originally posted by jinzin no i haven't "said" anything to assert a position on that particular subject yet.. but since you asked.. I think he actually could dodge a few times if he has too... and close ground while he's at it... he did it to mr x easily enough.. it would be interesting to see at any rate...
Originally posted by jinzin you know wolverine can jump/run right? how is that any more ridiculous than assuming wolverine's just going to be standing there waiting for the plot device to hit him.. who's to say that wolverine doesn't hide when namor goes for the plot device in the first place.. jumping namor when he comes back like he did to those 200 poor saps of supervillains on the shield carrier?
Originally posted by Melnorme
Why does it need to be in the immediate vicinity? Why does it even need to be a garbage truck...he could grab a bus. Lots of those in the city.
i suppose there's "lots of those" in central park too.. 🙄
Originally posted by Melnorme
How droll. He's calling it "cowardly" to immediately crush Wolverine. 🙄
Originally posted by Melnorme
Why are you assuming he's going to hit Wolverine like a golf ball? Fighting at his best, he would hover over Wolverine and just crush him into the asphalt from above.
with what? why are YOU assuming wolverine's just standing there like an idiot? 😕
Originally posted by Melnorme
How is he going to close with a flying Namor? Wolverine can't fly.:
Originally posted by Melnorme
Running and jumping isn't flying. And he can dodge, but as shown, Namor can swing attacks at well over the speed of sound.
who said it was? again.. what's to say that namor's airborne the whole time?
Originally posted by Melnorme
If we're talking about a truck or a bus, that means Wolverine would have to be able to move a few meters in a fraction of a second to avoid the attack. That's a tall order.
for wolvie? no not really....
Originally posted by jinzin
i suppose there's "lots of those" in central park too.. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
in namor's eyes? yeah probably... hell he didn't even want help when wolverine almost killed him.. I wouldn't be surprised if he considered it cowardly to at least SOME extent...
Originally posted by jinzin
with what? why are YOU assuming wolverine's just standing there like an idiot?
Originally posted by jinzin
who says namor's going to be airborne the entire fight?
Originally posted by jinzin
who said it was? again.. what's to say that namor's airborne the whole time?
Originally posted by jinzin
for wolvie? no not really....
ya know, this forum is no pis/cis, but that does NOT mean that a character gets to fight in a way that he/she has never fought before.
you are describing a namor that has never fought a battle in that way before. it has been shown consistently that wolvie can hit him, cap can hit him, ironfist can hit him. all pis? 😑
it has been shown consistently wolvie can take hulk punches, wendigo punches, abomination, wrecker . . . all pis? 😑
if your answer is yes, then that is all you really have to fall back on. all your evidence amassed means very little in light of that. basically you're saying the character (wolvie) is ridiculous/stupid/overrated, despite having been SHOWN numerous times proof of the consistent nature of his abilities. so why continue to debate? it's why i don't tend to take part in wolvie debates . . .
i WOULD like to see the scan where wolvie stabs namor though.
and yes, jinzin, if he stabbed namor in the face (if namor stood there and let him hit him) he WOULD win the fight. claws through eyes into brain WOULD kill namor.
i only chime in because i don't think you ever DID get your answer . . .
Originally posted by Melnormein the park itself? 🤨
Actually, there are tons on Fifth Avenue Central Park West, and tons more near Columbus Circle.
Originally posted by Melnorme
Well, Bloodlust moots all that speculation..
actually it brings into question whether he would opt for the plot devices at all.. in bloodlust would he not be more irrational, more hands on? it brings an entirely different speculation to the discussion...
Originally posted by Melnorme
I'm not.
Originally posted by Melnorme
If it's the most effective way to wield a weapon, Bloodlust requires it.
bloodlust does not require flight 🤨.. bloodlust infact brings into question whether or not namor would go into brawl mode with wolverine...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Bloodlust.
again.. that's a self defeating reason...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Not sure what that's supposed to prove. It doesn't look like he's dodging an overhead blow from a bus-wielding Sub-Mariner to me. 😕
doh TRAINS OF THOUGHT...
it DOES however assert that wolverine is...
Originally posted by Melnorme
able to move a few meters in a fraction of a second to avoid the attack. That's a tall order.
Originally posted by jinzin
in the park itself? 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
actually it brings into question whether he would opt for the plot devices at all.. in bloodlust would he not be more irrational, more hands on? it brings an entirely different speculation to the discussion...
Originally posted by jinzin
and yet he's going to let namor drop shit on him? 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
bloodlust does not require flight 🤨.. bloodlust infact brings into question whether or not namor would go into brawl mode with wolverine...
Originally posted by jinzin
again.. that's a self defeating reason...
Originally posted by jinzin
doh TRAINS OF THOUGHT...it DOES however assert that wolverine is...
Wolverine could have finished him but Namor was saved.
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvswolvienew55iu.jpg
Originally posted by Melnorme
Let me guess, you've never been to New York?
i have a couple of times.. but I haven't been there in ovr four years.. I was in central park but I don't remember TONS of buses driving all over the park...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Bloodlust doesn't mean he's fighting irrationally. Where did you get that idea? It means he's fighting mercilessly. 😈
it bloodlust would certainly imply he wants a piece of wolverine... depending on his patience and rationale it brings into question whether he'd go for the plot device at all....
Originally posted by MelnormeI conceded according to your scenario... which again left no room for anything else to be considered.. 🙄
You conceded that, if he's been hit by a truck a few times, he can't stop it.
Originally posted by Melnorme
Not at all. You clearly don't understand the term. Read the forum rules.
I do.. fighting at the best of his/her ability... doesn't mean that namor's going to be airborne the entire time... what happens if he loses track of wolverine comes down to investigate and gets jumped.. just like what happened in namor 24 it'd be a land battle
Originally posted by Melnorme
I fail to see that being the case. But, considering the fact that you obviously don't even know what the term describes, I think the error is on your part.
obviously.. 🙄
or it could just be you looking for any and every loophole to support an argument... why am I not surprised to be arguing semantics yet again with you.. pffft..
Originally posted by Melnorme
He's running at full tilt. That's not acceleration, which is what's required to dodge. It would actually be quite easy to predict Wolverine's movements under those circumstances. This doesn't help your case.
that IS acceleration.. there you go HOPING best case scenario all over again... look he's just standing there when that starts... not running "full tilt" 🤨
Originally posted by leonidas
ya know, this forum is no pis/cis, but that does NOT mean that a character gets to fight in a way that he/she has never fought before.you are describing a namor that has never fought a battle in that way before. it has been shown consistently that wolvie can hit him, cap can hit him, ironfist can hit him. all pis? 😑
it has been shown consistently wolvie can take hulk punches, wendigo punches, abomination, wrecker . . . all pis? 😑
if your answer is yes, then that is all you really have to fall back on. all your evidence amassed means very little in light of that. basically you're saying the character (wolvie) is ridiculous/stupid/overrated, despite having been SHOWN numerous times proof of the consistent nature of his abilities. so why continue to debate? it's why i don't tend to take part in wolvie debates . . .
i WOULD like to see the scan where wolvie stabs namor though.
and yes, jinzin, if he stabbed namor in the face (if namor stood there and let him hit him) he WOULD win the fight. claws through eyes into brain WOULD kill namor.
i only chime in because i don't think you ever DID get your answer . . .
thank you leo.. this is of course why you're one of my most respected and revered posters on the forum...
again.. ex-****ing-actly...
I'll get those pics up and going for ya in a bit.
