Originally posted by Joey Stacks
It was a stone pillar, and the weight and distance were never stated.Distance was stated to be across the Earth. Even if you make the DB earth as small as the US, that's still a class 100 feat.
False, the distance was never stated.
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He's beaten tons of people who have,[/i]Who?
Darkseid, Cyborg Superman, Imperiex probes, Green Lanterns, SBP, the list goes on
and he can do it via physical force.When has this happened or shown to happen in the comics?
When he fought the earth elementals, he threatened to punch the earth to pieces and they backed down (considering they embodied the earth, they knew he wasn't bluffing). He smashed an asteroid easily that was stated to be capable of "demolishing the earth". When he fought Zod their blows tore apart the planet they were fighting on. Just a few examples.
Goku has never destroyed a planet.Nope, but much weaker Freeza destroyed a planet with 10x's the mass of Earth (Vegeta) while in his first form and weaker Kid Buu destroyed the Earth with ease.
And neither of these characters are Goku. What's your point?
Why, because DBZ is drawn with lots of blurry lines and afterimages, that automatically makes it faster?
No, that means Goku is more prone to fighting at faster speeds then Superman, who rarely does and with much more skill.
Argument from art style is completely pointless. Just because it's drawn that way doesn't mean anything.
Mr. Satan (who is depicted in the series as a bumbling buffoon with no powers) is drawn the same way:
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Speed can only be determined by actual feats.
That's just the art style.
Which reflects the fact that Goku is always fighting at high speeds, unlike your mythical light speed blitzing Superman.
Quantify "high speeds". Just because it's blurry doesn't mean anything. Normal humans all the way to the end of the manga can percieve DBZ characters fighting.
Superman has consistently
better speed feat, for travellingIncorrect, Shunkan Idou is instantaneous movement. When has Superman moved faster then instant?[/qoote]
That's teleportation, not speed. It's not substitute for actual speed.
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and reaction.Incorrect.
Completely correct. Show me one feat for Goku that matches Superman's reaction speed.
He has shown the ability to move many times lightspeed, [/i]To travel, which is as relevant as Goku using Shunkan Idou to move instantaneously.
So you think he magically gets slower when he's fighting? The whole distinction between "movement speed" and "combat speed" is a false dichotomy created by DBZ fanboys. Superman fought Wonder Woman around the earth and to the sun and back in less than 1 minutes and 54 seconds (light takes 8 minutes to reach the sun). He fought Darkseid to the sun in the time it took for them to say a few sentences. He raced the Flash around the world in seconds (avoiding every obstacle along the way). These are just a few examples.
whereas DBZ characters haven't proven themselves to be even 1% of lightspeed.
It's the truth. Show me one feat that demonstrates they are faster than that.
And you base this on.... what, exactly?The comics
Gee, that's descriptive. Could you be a little more specific?
Superman had 1000 years of battle experience in Valhalla.Which he displays often with his ki (lol u c whut i did thar) tactic being punch opponent in face, block opponents blows with chest/face. Vs Goku who does nothing but parry and dodge at high speeds.
"high speeds" determined by the fact that.... it's drawn blurry? You realize that's meaningless without actual quantification.
Let's put it this wayAt the age of 15 Goku was the best martial artist on his planet
At the age of 30 Goku was the best martial artist in the universeWhat's Superman got? The fact that he'd probably get scraped by Tim Drake if he were depowered?
He's beaten Batman with no powers.
He can defeat dozens of armed thugs while he is unarmed and has no powers.Uh-oh, someone tell Mr. Satan he has competition
Goku has never demonstrated that kind of skill. He relies on his powers to win.
Goku's fighting style is basically just kicking + punching + spamming ki blasts.As well as actually parrying and dodging blows,
I mean, yeah, Superman blocks punches
WITH HIS FACE
Have you actually ever read a Superman comic?
You have yet to show that he is physically stronger than her. He can't even lift 10 tons in base form.Yet at the age of 12 he was able to bench press a car with ease and his power has increased a million fold since then (and Super Saiyan is a > 20x increase to strength).
Completely false numbers pulled out of nowhere.
Not to mention he didn't fail to lift anything, he had trouble training with dispersed weight. Professional weight lifters couldn't train with 100 lb weights dispersed around their bodies, does this change the fact that they can't bench or lift 7x's the amount of that?
He stated that having 10 ton weights on his arms was impossible in base form. With 40 tons, he was being weighed down and sinking, and had to transform.
Keep clinging to the low showing straws
Show me a better lifting feat for him then.
I'll just laugh as I re-read Hush for the millionth time and watch planet busters in Dr. Light/Dr. Polaris school Superman and his boys.
Because it's not like those guys can mess with energy currents in ways DBZ characters wouldn't even be able to comprehend, right? There are more ways to attack than brute force.
Because those guys can manipulate energy to damage him in ways DBZ characters can't.Way to use low - end feats and ignore high ones, BTW.
I don't ignore any feats or hype up low showings, I go by the average way Superman is written. What a knowledgable comic book head who reads comics from day to day and doesn't make judgements based off of respect threads would say.
Average Superman fights with the skill of an average joe with Super powers
Completely untrue. I've already provided multiple examples of his skill.
Average Goku fights with the skill of a martial artist of the highest order with Super powers.
Have you ever actually practiced real martial arts? Because they are nothing like what you see in Dragonball. That's just blurry random punching and kicking.
Goku >>>>>>>>>> Superman in skill.
You have provided absolutely no proof for this claim, other than "because I say so".
If the Superman fans generally think that it takes an Imperiex level energy beam to hurt Superman, I can think that a gas station has a winning record against him and point out that just recently Superman got superpunked by Dr. ****ing Light.
Because it's not like the battle with Imperiex happened years after the PIS gas station incident, and he is way stronger than that. Or like Dr. Light is an energy manipulator who can damage him in ways other than brute force.
PIS, besides, that was almost 20 years ago.
It's the truth. Do you want me to use incidents from early Dragonball and say Goku isn't any stronger than that?
Based on nothing but your unfounded claims and usage of 20 - year - old low showings.
Goku's first kamehameha barely dented a car. Therefore that's all it can do (despite the fact he's gotten stronger and has much higher showings).
See? I can play this game too.
You have yet to provide any evidence for this whatsoever. Superman has fought around the world in seconds, and to the sun and back in minutes.Oh, so you're telling me that Superman speedblitzes more often then not? You're telling me that, despite the fact that the majority of Superman's rogue gallery has 0 super speed yet still tag him without much trouble, Superman fights every being he sees using his speed?
Of course not. He only uses his super speed when it's necessary.
You're telling me Superman was moving at light speed when Dr. ****ing Light bent him over and made him into his woman?
I love how you think that when someone doesn't use a power they have proven to have, that means they never had it in the first place.
No evidence for this claim.
Still no evidence.
Again, unfounded claim.[/quote]When Superman can level planets with heat vision, get at me. [/B]
When Goku destroys a planet, call me.
Otherwise I can just point out examples of his heat vision affecting planet - destroying beings.
