Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Started by pr1983135 pages
Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Why is it that all the debaters on the DBZ side get banned for vulgar things but if the others on the superman side do the same no 1 cares.
Double standards..much?

it isnt a double standard, at all.

first of all, the people who are arguing for superman have not gone nearly as far as some of the goku fans in terms of profanity, and secondly, most of the superman fans' reactions in the first place, if heated, are simply due to the fact that alot of the pro superman people have read both sources, while alot of the goku arguments are from people who seem to have never properly read superman in any decent quantity...

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
^^Prove it. Goku has faster fighting speed, smarter at fighting
Nah, being a saiyan he gets kinda stupid about fighting. Helping to heal the enemy or allowing himself to become weakened by them. As opposed to figuring out the person's DNA doesn't seem like he's smarter.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
and can bust REAL planets. The only planets Supes busts are DEAD planets, when Supes destroys a planet with his heat blast then tell me
So planets without life on them are fake planets?

Right... that's why goku loses, he's gotta spin stupid things like that in order to win. Logic and reason aren't on his side so he needs this foolishness...

Actually that's the very thing we can claim. Since it means you have nothing concrete to prove that they could.

How? The fact that they stated it is concrete. Kind of like one time Superman punched a guy and dind't hit and satted "this punch could break the moon in half". Also, when it is stated "his heat vision is above the charts" or something like this, unmeasureable? Why should we take their words for it, but we can't do the same for the DBZ characters?

They could be miscalculating in the midst of battle. Lotta pressure during those tense moments.

Pretty sure that Akira Toriyama wont be adding pressure so that each of his characters are miscalculating.

And it's foolish to think that another character can do something that he has not proven to do, especially without any concrete evidence of it. Cause we all know that any person who fights another has all the powers and abilities of them. Like Wolverine can shoot webs, turn big and gree and has carbondonium tenticles. Because he's fought Spider-Man, The hulk, and Omega Red respectively.

Difference is, unlike Wolverrine and the rest of these guys, Goku and prety much everyone act on the same base, Ki and Ki manipulation. Goku could easily withstand and output anything that Cell could, in this case a Solar System destroying blast, SPECIALLY since its a Kamehameha wave, retty much Goku's strong point. NEVER has a kamehameha, no matter how strong, been able to do something specific to suggest any type of power. For example, Goku first turned SSJ3 the whole Earth shook. The other times it didn't even shake around him. Same repeats itself with the Kamehameha wave, once when fired Gohan Vs Cell (the last one) the whole Eart shook, when when Kid Buu fired one at Goku, nothing happened, and this blast was easily strong enough to destroy a planet.

[quote]And Goku can turn people into candy.[ /quote]

Not much into carcasm but, are you suggesting that Master ROshi can do things Goku can't? Or rather, that the blast Kid Buu fired at the Earth can't be done by Goku?

P.S. Do any of you know where I can dwnload DBZ manga from the end of the Cell Saga to the end? The current site I have doesn't have up until the Buu Saga 😖

anyways, gotta go, test tomrrow and its 15 til 11 and I haven't studied shit lol.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
How? The fact that they stated it is concrete.
Oh like cell's claim that he pulled down enough energy to destroy a solar system?

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Kind of like one time Superman punched a guy and dind't hit and satted "this punch could break the moon in half". Also, when it is stated "his heat vision is above the charts" or something like this,
Yeah because people fighting each other and trash talking are EXACTLY like scientists who actually know what the hell they're talking about...

Nice equivocation there pete... Got any more logical fallacies for us? Or just the standard DBZ fanboy repitoire?

Originally posted by Pete Beast
unmeasureable? Why should we take their words for it, but we can't do the same for the DBZ characters?
Because one is a sicientist who studies the field he was tlaking about and the other is an arrogant character who maid numerous claims that were proven false. 🙂

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Pretty sure that Akira Toriyama wont be adding pressure so that each of his characters are miscalculating.
and I'm pretty sure you have no proof of that either. 🙂

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Difference is, unlike Wolverrine and the rest of these guys, Goku and prety much everyone act on the same base, Ki and Ki manipulation.
So Goku can turn people into candy? 🙂 Buu uses Ki and Buu can turn people into candy? Or I know Goku can spit out the exploding ghosts! Cause gotenks uses ki too right? 🙂

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Goku could easily withstand and output anything that Cell could,[/]b[]/quote] Proving Cell wrong, proving me right about him being an arrogant character who already said several innaccurate statements. 🙂

[QUOTE=9736082]Originally posted by Pete Beast
[B] in this case a Solar System destroying blast,

Which was never proven to be of that calibur. 🙂 Begging the question isn't it? You're assuming the premise that's in question to be true in order to prove said premise.

More illogic.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
SPECIALLY since its a Kamehameha wave, retty much Goku's strong point. NEVER has a kamehameha, no matter how strong, been able to do something specific to suggest any type of power. For example, Goku first turned SSJ3 the whole Earth shook. The other times it didn't even shake around him. Same repeats itself with the Kamehameha wave, once when fired Gohan Vs Cell (the last one) the whole Eart shook, when when Kid Buu fired one at Goku, nothing happened, and this blast was easily strong enough to destroy a planet.
More unproven assumptions. 🙂

Originally posted by Pete Beast
And Goku can turn people into candy.

Not much into carcasm but, are you suggesting that Master ROshi can do things Goku can't? Or rather, that the blast Kid Buu fired at the Earth can't be done by Goku?

I'm suggesting that things one character can do are not neccicerily those that others can do even if based off of the same type of energy. Let's throw IT into the equation... Everyone can do IT because its just ki right?

Originally posted by Pete Beast
P.S. Do any of you know where I can dwnload DBZ manga from the end of the Cell Saga to the end? The current site I have doesn't have up until the Buu Saga 😖
Sorry, but I can't promote such activities on this site.

I'm sure that the last thing that can help you is a flood

Originally posted by Pete Beast
anyways, gotta go, test tomrrow and its 15 til 11 and I haven't studied shit lol.
Good luck on the test!

Originally posted by Pete Beast
How? The fact that they stated it is concrete. Kind of like one time Superman punched a guy and dind't hit and satted "this punch could break the moon in half". Also, when it is stated "his heat vision is above the charts" or something like this, unmeasureable? Why should we take their words for it, but we can't do the same for the DBZ characters?
Did the Cell vs Gohan Kamehameha actually shake the whole world? I can't remember it saying that. I know it shows a town shaking from it but they were a lil bit farther North from the town. And what has been stated is not something you want to do with Superman and Gokou. Gokou can blast planets to destroy them, Superman has the strength to physically punch one out of it's orbit. For all the hype of their blasts they'd still have to actually get one off before they are hit with punches hundreds of times stronger than anything they've been hit with and they if they are hurt by such weak punches in comparison to what Superman can do then Gokou has no chance to stand against a punch from Superman. Also Gokou can't take planet destroying blasts. Every planet destroying blast is alway blocked by another blast or dodged like when Kid Buu did it. Except for Cell who could regen. Also Gokou was running from blasts that just made large craters fired from Cell.

😆

I came here thinking I should give this thread another chance, and the first post that jumped in front of me had this kind of arguments :

Also Gokou can't take planet destroying blasts

or this

Every planet destroying blast is alway blocked by another blast or dodged like when Kid Buu did it.

or this

Also Gokou was running from blasts that just made large craters fired from Cell.

I mean .. seriously now.

Some people really need to read on DBZ and then make counter-arguments. Because those are just laughable and stupid.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
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I came here thinking I should give this thread another chance, and the first post that jumped in front of me had this kind of arguments :

or this

or this

I mean .. seriously now.

Some people really need to read on DBZ and then make counter-arguments. Because those are just laughable and stupid.

Laughable cause it's true. and stupid because there's no evidence to support a counter claim.

I noticed that you didn't even try to provide counter evidence... is that because it doesn't exist? 🙂

And some say to those who support Goku to read up on Superman. That's just hypocritical and funny at the same time.

Any person who actually read the manga entirely and can actually comprehend it should have no problem seeing what's wrong with those statements.

Good thing I didn't get into this discussion, seeing how idiotic the counter-arguments are. With that said, I'm gonna leave this thread.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
😆

I came here thinking I should give this thread another chance, and the first post that jumped in front of me had this kind of arguments :

or this

or this

I mean .. seriously now.

Some people really need to read on DBZ and then make counter-arguments. Because those are just laughable and stupid.

To bad I have read DBZ and watched the anime and use to know a lot about the show when I was big into it. And not once has Gokou took a planet destroying blasts, and not once has somebody unable to regen took and survived a supposedly planet destroying blast. And Cell was blasting normal ki blast at Gokou and Gokou was dodging them and they were hitting the Earth. Why else would he need to dodge them if they won't hurt him?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And some say to those who support Goku to read up on Superman. That's just hypocritical and funny at the same time.
Not in the slightest. It's proven over and over that those who support Goku have not read Superman comics. Where as those who have read both support superman.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
[b]Any person who actually read the manga entirely and can actually comprehend it should have no problem seeing what's wrong with those statements. [/b]
Absolutly nothing. Anyone whos read the mange knows that Goku never took a planet destroying blast and that goku has never destroyed a planet.

There is nothing in the manga to support the idea that he did in either case.

Go read the manga, Goku has never busted a planet. It's evident that you have not read the manga if you say that he has.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Good thing I didn't get into this discussion, seeing how idiotic the counter-arguments are. With that said, I'm gonna leave this thread.
Yes, your counter arguments are completely idiotic. You're finally right about something.

It's evident that you've never read the manga as you think that Goku has busted a planet.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dude...

That's fuggin awesome, Where'd you get the palladium RPG system conversion for the fanmade SSj5? Lets see.. with the mention of MDC I'm guessing its a rifts thing. That's sweet Tang, where'd you get it?

I honestly don't remember, I copied and paste it onto word from a website. I don't know if it's official or not.

I'll try my best to asnwere like you.

Oh like cell's claim that he pulled down enough energy to destroy a solar system?

You claim this was untrue because it came from the mouth of a villain. Show me ONCE Cell has lied before?

Yeah because people fighting each other and trash talking are EXACTLY like scientists who actually know what the hell they're talking about...

Nice equivocation there pete... Got any more logical fallacies for us? Or just the standard DBZ fanboy repitoire?

First off, there was NO trash talking in this fight, second, you saying they are scientists is doesnt prove it is true. There were NO sciensists there saying this. Just you assuming...

As a matter of fact I have proof, of this, the one stating this is a reporter. No scientist like you claim.

And third... fanboy claims? sorry, but I have never compared Anime vs Comics, like you.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonba.../VideoClips.htm

Because one is a sicientist who studies the field he was tlaking about and the other is an arrogant character who maid numerous claims that were proven false.

They weren't proven false, EVER. And there was NO scientist talking.

and I'm pretty sure you have no proof of that either.

Similar to you claims of scientist, though SEEMINGLY obvious, no.

So Goku can turn people into candy? Buu uses Ki and Buu can turn people into candy? Or I know Goku can spit out the exploding ghosts! Cause gotenks uses ki too right? Which was never proven to be of that calibur. Begging the question isn't it? You're assuming the premise that's in question to be true in order to prove said premise.

More illogic.

Goku wasn't made by magic. turning people into candy came with this option. As for Buu's Kamehameha wave. You guys are saying that the first blast Kid Buu threw to the Earth, which is STATED would have blown the planet, is MORE powerful than a kamehameha wave that needs charging?

More unproven assumptions.

Actually it isn't unproven. When has a Kamehameha wave EXPLODED? it hasn't. It does this when the beam comes in direct contact with the planet. You'resaying that Goku is lying and Cell is lying when each said the other's kamehameha wave would destroy the planet.

I'm suggesting that things one character can do are not neccicerily those that others can do even if based off of the same type of energy. Let's throw IT into the equation... Everyone can do IT because its just ki right?

Suggesting isn't proving. Its very simple to deny that Goku is millions of times stronger than Goku, but harder to prove. Roshi vaporizing a moon in an instant shows that Goku can do this aswell, and with ease and that he could easily do this to a planet, seeing as Kid Buu did this to the Earth and Kid Buu is around the same as Goku during this saga. NOTE: don't forget that Goku TRAINS for ten years after the Buu saga. After these ten years he fights Uub and takes off to train even MORE.

Sorry, but I can't promote such activities on this site.

I'm sure that the last thing that can help you is a flood

I really don't get what you can't promote lol. AllI need is a site that has scans up to the Buu saga, the site I'm currently using only has up to the Cel games.

Good luck on the test!

I did good, thx!

Also Gokou was running from blasts that just made large craters fired from Cell.

No he dind't. The only time in Goku vs Cell's fight that Goku did something with any attack that cause the surface any damage was when Cell destroyed the ring. Nothing else. Also youre using a weaker verion of Goku.

And since was lifting power important in a fight. Supes scan lift a mountain and throw it at Goku, Goku will just dodge it and punch thry his gut

I really don't get why people do not believe that Cell couldn't destroy the solar system. Cell has never lied before nor would he have any reason to, I think it's okay to take his word for it.

Gotta go study, tomrrow's exam is harder so I'm off early. If I'm done Ill come check this out, but I wanted to show you guys some DBAF scans. They look pretty good for being fanmade:

Lol, pretty good eh?

Well you knwo I find it kind of funny that even though Supes is really powerful, hes been horribly misrepresented in every cartoon/movie as far as feats r concerned. I mean the supes in JL/JLU or any other cartoon or movie version of supes would die horribly to a DBZ character. The DBZ characters are by far, more impressivly portrayed in the anime then any iteration of supes in anythign other then a comic.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I really don't get why people do not believe that Cell couldn't destroy the solar system. Cell has never lied before nor would he have any reason to, I think it's okay to take his word for it.

Didn't Cell once say he was unbeatable?

Well with the exception of that statment, he has never lied. Besides, once he absorbed 18 he did become the most powerful being on earth so in a way he was telling the truth. Oh and in fairness, no one would have guessed Gohan would have transformed into SSJ2 so he didnt really lie....he just wasnt aware of Gohans power.

But you gotta admit, DBZ villains or any arrogant character are prone to making innaccurate claims. Like for example (this is the only one I can think of for now) Vegeta claiming that he would be a Super Saiyan if Dende healed him but he didn't become one. Of course, it's obvious that Vegeta didn't know what a Super Saiyan was at that point but he was 100% sure he'd be one.

Arrogance is NOT equivelent to lying.

Cell believed he was unbeatable, and he pretty much was because there was NO ONE who could surpass his power. Not even the good guys. Hell, not even Gohan knew he would be the one. So how is this lying? He didn't know of anyone in te universe capable of defeating him, and it was true. There really wasn't anyone.

Again, arrogance is NOT lying.