Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well if that is what you believe, I think Cell was telling the truth so i believe him. I think Akira intended for Cell to be that powerful, otherwise why would he make cell say it?
Because he's an egotistical braggart who likes to overrate himself?
It's not like DBZ characters never brag or lie. In fact, it's practically all they do, it's an integral part of their fighting style (psyching out an opponent by boasting)
Anyways to get back to the point, I still believe cell was telling the truth because IMO i dont have any reason to think he was lying. People jsut assume that because they are a villian there always constantly lying. [/B]
The reason he wasn't telling the truth is because:
1. He is known to bluff. He does so all the time. "In my perfect form I would be undefeatable!" "I'll destroy the earth!" "No one can beat me!"
He was even stating he was immortal and unbeatable as he was being killed.
2. There's absolutely no evidence to back it up, other than his statement. No one in canon DBZ has ever demonstrated anywhere near solar - system busting power.
3. The attack only caused a small crater
Originally posted by The Great GalenWell didn't Superman one-shot Wonder Woman next to the sun? I could of swore that I heard he koed her with a hit but the reentry to Earth woke her back up.
Well yeah that I agree with, there would be no real reason for Suprman to dodge since he can easily take any damage thrown at him. Thats why I always resented the JLU cartoons, they had him freaking dodging attacks from Clayface like as if it would hurt him or something...stupid Bruce Timm lol. Anyways the reason why Supes would be hit by slower moving opponents is because of PIS (bad writing). Its like when they had a sun amped bloodlusted supes fighting WW, everyone knows that supes should have one shotted her in like a second....but for the story purposes they prolonged the fight just to build up drama even though it didnt really make sense and complelty ignored his power level.Anyways to get back to the point, I still believe cell was telling the truth because IMO i dont have any reason to think he was lying. People jsut assume that because they are a villian there always constantly lying.
And Cell was made up of people who weren't genius level so how the heck would he really know how much power it would take to destroy a solar system in a blast?
Originally posted by Endless MikeActually the Old Kaioshin said that his planet wouldn't break as easily as Earth did in the manga. Still Kid Buu's Kamehameha didn't do much to the surface at all or create a big explosion.
False, that was never stated in the manga. Even if it was true, it wouldn't have any effect on the actual size and power of the explosion (not to mention Mr. Satan was really close and he was just fine).
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well Goku is a planet buster, but I sitll dont think Supes will be affected that much. Wouldnt there right cause rips in demensions though, I mean SSJ3 Gotenks broke threw a dimension...I never really understood why Goku couldnt.
For one, Gotenks is Goku's superior. Secondly, Gotenks (and Buu) merely ripped a hole in a pocket dimension that was just before directly connected to the material. Not quite on the level of 'punching through time' and other comic bullshizzery.
Well theres no real evidence to suggest that SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful then SSJ3 Goku. Mystic Gohan is more powerful then SJ3 Gotenks and im inclined to believe that SSJ3 Goku is Gohans equal. IMO, every feat Gohan, Gotenks and Buu(with the exception of Super Buu) could do so could Goku with relaive ease.
Originally posted by The Great GalenI'm pretty sure on panel when gotenks went ssj3 goku said he was stronger than him
Well theres no real evidence to suggest that SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful then SSJ3 Goku. Mystic Gohan is more powerful then SJ3 Gotenks and im inclined to believe that SSJ3 Goku is Gohans equal. IMO, every feat Gohan, Gotenks and Buu(with the exception of Super Buu) could do so could Goku with relaive ease.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700Is this going to be like "batman" punching Superman?
Punches from Solomun Grundy which doesn not damage the earth hurt superman
You have no idea what's going on but you go based off of appearences.
So Sarutrollbi why do you bother to participate in these threads?
You obviously and I mean OBVIOUSLY don't read the comics you talk about.
You just talk about scans you see online with no reference to the context of the events.
Oh, and when Superman moved the moon, or even just threw a moon sized object, he greatly surpassed any strength feat you could possibly hoppe to pull up for Goku. (10 tons is too much for base form).
Originally posted by Sarutobi700And a ki blast isn't a physical attack so there is no point in comparing. Gokou doesn't harm the planet with his punches and hurts other people who can block his regular ki blasts with his punches.
Punches from Solomun Grundy which doesn not damage the earth hurt superman
Originally posted by The Great GalenGohan has always been > Gokou. Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu > Fat Buu = SSJ3 Gokou so it's pretty simple that Gokou isn't stronger than Gotenks. The only reason Gokou could have beat Fat Buu as he said he did is because Buu isn't that durable so one Super Kamehameha would be able to beat him. Same reason Gokou said he could beat Kid Buu. Even though I really doubt Gokou could have beat Kid Buu and Fat Buu would have been hard to beat.
Well theres no real evidence to suggest that SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful then SSJ3 Goku. Mystic Gohan is more powerful then SJ3 Gotenks and im inclined to believe that SSJ3 Goku is Gohans equal. IMO, every feat Gohan, Gotenks and Buu(with the exception of Super Buu) could do so could Goku with relaive ease.
Super Buu was only stronger than Gohan in two cases; after he had absorbed Gotenks and after he had absorbed Gohan.
Even when he was Super Buu with just Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo, he still was weaker than Gohan.
And all of the Super Buus were vastly more powerful than Goku and Kid buu, including the one that Gohan himself stomped.