Originally posted by Pete BeastNever actually read a superman comic have you?
Wow... I just made a post with everything to asnwere your quotes towards me... and its all gone... I clicked post and the page dind't load, clicked back and eevrything was deleted...****.
Ill... answere tomorrow.
I'll just post the last thing I had:
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Superman's Limit?
Oh well, Goku can only dent cars with his energy attacks. So nothing to worry about. 🙂
Originally posted by Avlon
The size of the solar system.http://www.yikers.com/video_our_solar_system_in_size_comparison.html
No dbz character is destroying anything remotely close to this size.
Well if that is what you believe, I think Cell was telling the truth so i believe him. I think Akira intended for Cell to be that powerful, otherwise why would he make cell say it?
Originally posted by The Great Galenthe blast could barely be made out from earth, and didn't shake the earth at all...that blast wasn't going to cause any trauma to those huge stars
Well if that is what you believe, I think Cell was telling the truth so i believe him. I think Akira intended for Cell to be that powerful, otherwise why would he make cell say it?
Well look, even though Cell could destroy the solar system I still think supes takes this. At goku's max, he has planet busting energy blast, class 300-500 strength and combat/travelling speed that approaches light speed. Now im not saying Goku can go lightspeed, but IMO I think he does have a good shot at it. I always was pissed that Akira never made Goku adapt the speed of his IT into his combat/travel speed.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSame reason he made Cell make all those other false statements... and Vegeta .. and burta.. and freiza... etc. etc. etc.
Well if that is what you believe, I think Cell was telling the truth so i believe him. I think Akira intended for Cell to be that powerful, otherwise why would he make cell say it?
Originally posted by Pete BeastBecause that's not his limit. He's taken shots much stonger than that. Which is why I brough up the example of Goku only being able to dent a car. It's something that happened along time ago and both have gotten stronger since then.
Cres, why the sarcasm? I even left a question mark at the end of my post.
Originally posted by The Great GalenHe couldn't.
Well look, even though Cell could destroy the solar system
Originally posted by The Great GalenNONE of which has been proven. 🙂
I still think supes takes this. At goku's max, he has planet busting energy blast, class 300-500 strength and combat/travelling speed that approaches light speed.
It doesn't matter all that much if Goku can or can not destroy a solarsystem.. He can withstand a moon pulverising attacks as if they where nothing.. Of course Supes can do the same but Can he dish out the punishment as well as Goku? Can he pulverises the moon in 1 shot?
Goku is not as durable as Superman but he can defently withstand Supes hits. (from what I have seen of Superman) And he can definitely attack with much more powerful attacks.. So how long can Supes handle a moon destroying attack focus down on a fist size area over and over???
NONE of which has been proven.
Freiza destroyed a planet, Perfect Cell could destroy a planet...so I doubt SSJ3 Goku would have any issues. Its not to unreasonable to assume that as a SSJ3, Goku could easily surpass 100 class in strength. Oh and I agree that he might not be light speed, but he can certainly go fast then mach 5.
Originally posted by Gplex31415926Superman doesn't need to keep taking them over and over again. Besides it's not like he hasn't been inside a moon as it was destroying already so moon destroying blasts aren't going to do much but still why would he take them more than once when he can just ko Gokou before Gokou can react.
It doesn't matter all that much if Goku can or can not destroy a solarsystem.. He can withstand a moon pulverising attacks as if they where nothing.. Of course Supes can do the same but Can he dish out the punishment as well as Goku? Can he pulverises the moon in 1 shot?Goku is not as durable as Superman but he can defently withstand Supes hits. (from what I have seen of Superman) And he can definitely attack with much more powerful attacks.. So how long can Supes handle a moon destroying attack focus down on a fist size area over and over???
And how did Freeza destroy a planet? By disrupting the core. How was the Kamehameha aimed? To drill through the Earth and hit the core. I mean the Earth was fine when a much stronger Kamehameha exploded on the surface that was..Either SSJ3 Gokou's or Fat Buu's.Freiza destroyed a planet, Perfect Cell could destroy a planet...so I doubt SSJ3 Goku would have any issues. [/B]
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. (acutally Goku was jumping back and forward so fast that he went invisable so he would be much more then 60x faster)
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light.
Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 8000. So hes 19.23x faster. (acutally hes 90x faster because he cross snakeway 90 times faster then he orignally did - took 6 months one way 2 days the other (30*6)/2=90)
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. (Where he could be much quicker) So Goku when he gets to namic is ((1224000*19.23*36=847350720)/299792458 = 2.83) 2.83x the speed of light (absolute minimum) This lines up perfectly with burter who claim he was faster then light. (Where he has to be much faster then 2.83x the speed of light for burter not to see him, but as you can see all the numbers have been pulled down to their absolute lowest values that can not be disputed)
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I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic, and even higher so if he has too. So if Goku could turn ssj1 when he got to namic he would be over 100x faster then light. You can just imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting cell or even buu at ssj3.
Superman is always getting hit by slow people.
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Yet Gohan who is faster still takes 5 minutes to get from school from his house flying at full speed at his base. And Gotenks at ssj who is even faster than Gohan at base by who knows how much takes a minute to fly to Buu's house from wherever he was on Earth, and 29 minutes to go around the Earth supposedly a few dozen times. All of it doesn't add up to light speed. They could go faster than sound but they aren't light speed at all. And if Burter actually said he was faster than light than he was lying...Actually either translation he is lying because he's not the fastest either since Freeza is much faster.
Originally posted by Kento
Yet Gohan who is faster still takes 5 minutes to get from school from his house flying at full speed at his base. And Gotenks at ssj who is even faster than Gohan at base by who knows how much takes a minute to fly to Buu's house from wherever he was on Earth, and 29 minutes to go around the Earth supposedly a few dozen times. All of it doesn't add up to light speed. They could go faster than sound but they aren't light speed at all. And if Burter actually said he was faster than light than he was lying...Actually either translation he is lying because he's not the fastest either since Freeza is much faster.
Fighting is completly diffrent to flying, running and reading... You wouldn't see the faster runner beat a UFC campion, or the fastest read doing the same...
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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Edit: Can you explain to me why Supes always gets hit by slow people?
Originally posted by Gplex31415926By the way Gplex. If you keep coming back, you will keep being banned for socking. You are not allowed to circumvent a ban by creating an alternate account.
Edit: Can you explain to me why Supes always gets hit by slow people?
Also from one of the Rules threads(because I know some jackass will pick up the torch):
Originally posted by Digimark
The "No PIS" RulePIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Originally posted by Digimark
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Because its part of the story.
Originally posted by Gplex31415926Except Superman has changed clothes, fought, built things, read junk, flew, ran, and saved people all at high speeds. Also he's bloody Superman what does he really have to dodge? The people he need to dodge are just as fast as him also. Superman can dodge a bullet but he doesn't. He can catch them coming from multiple directions if he wanted but he doesn't always cause they won't harm him.
Fighting is completly diffrent to flying, running and reading... You wouldn't see the faster runner beat a UFC campion, or the fastest read doing the same...Edit: Can you explain to me why Supes always gets hit by slow people?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
What fight we're you watching, Cell was vastly beyond gohan in SSJ form. In fact, Gohan even admits that he can't defeat him hin his current state. Oh and I personally believe that cell can destroy a solar system, afterall when he told Vegeta that he would beat him once he absorbed 18 he end up raping Vegeta pretty badly......so yeah obviously he doesnt lie as often as some people seem to think he does.
Except the blast only created a small crater....
Originally posted by Pete Beast
My point exactly. Goku is strong enough to resist a planet busting attack. If not, his Ki does the job for him (remember Nappa firing a blast and he decides to just block it using Ki?).
Except none of those blasts were planet destroying.
The Kamehameha wave between Gohan and Cell didn't hit the planet either, and you guys claim it wasnt Solar System destroying because then the people around wouldnt be able to stand so close (all of this holds to no backup, since a wave has NEVER caused any phisical damage EXCEPT what it hits, so i don't know where tyou guys came up with any of this).
Didn't hit the planet? Hello?
Where did this crater come from then?
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Space? Gohan is in the ground and Cell a few meters upwards. The contact between the two blasts didn't do anything to anyone around.
Because the blasts didn't explode when they hit each other.
It never touched the Earth directly, and going by your logic it means that no damage should be caused.
Of course it did. Where do you think the energy went after Cell died? It couldn't have just disappeared. If there was anywhere near enough energy to destroy a solar system there, and it didn't escape into space (which it didn't), it would have done a hell of a lot more than cause a crater a few hundred meters across.
This took place at the planet of the Kai's, said planet to be more resistant than Earth, so can't really use this as an argument since NOBODY knows how resistant this planet is.
False, that was never stated in the manga. Even if it was true, it wouldn't have any effect on the actual size and power of the explosion (not to mention Mr. Satan was really close and he was just fine).
A kamehameha, is a kamehameha, no matter who fires it. The only thing that chages is the power of it, and Goku is millions of times stronger than Roshi.
Prove it. No such numbers were ever stated.
Roshi dind't use any weird techniques or use electricity. he used a Kamehameha and thats that. No furter discussion is needed.
You're changing the subject. You claimed Roshi couldn't do things Goku was incapable of.
Here are the scans of the first Kamehameha Gohan fired:
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Here: Not too far from eachother, and most importantly, look ath the distance the TWO waves make impact... Metere meters away from the surface, no phisical damage is caused to anything around.
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Because they didn't detonate when they hit each other. DBZ ki attacks only cause damage when they explode (or, in the case of certain attacks, when they cut or burn through the target)
P.S. Mike, could you do me a favor and give me a link(s) to a site that has the Buu Saga scans? The one I have only has up to the Cell Games.
Do you mean to read online or download?
Well yeah that I agree with, there would be no real reason for Suprman to dodge since he can easily take any damage thrown at him. Thats why I always resented the JLU cartoons, they had him freaking dodging attacks from Clayface like as if it would hurt him or something...stupid Bruce Timm lol. Anyways the reason why Supes would be hit by slower moving opponents is because of PIS (bad writing). Its like when they had a sun amped bloodlusted supes fighting WW, everyone knows that supes should have one shotted her in like a second....but for the story purposes they prolonged the fight just to build up drama even though it didnt really make sense and complelty ignored his power level.
Anyways to get back to the point, I still believe cell was telling the truth because IMO i dont have any reason to think he was lying. People jsut assume that because they are a villian there always constantly lying.
Originally posted by Pete Beast
Wow... I just made a post with everything to asnwere your quotes towards me... and its all gone... I clicked post and the page dind't load, clicked back and eevrything was deleted...****.
Ill... answere tomorrow.
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Superman's Limit?
Not this crap again.
First of all, he had just been beaten down and had his arm broken by Doomsday.
Second of all, as was already mentioned, that was 10 years ago and he's gotten way stronger since then.
Third of all, there's no way to measure the magnitude of that explosions. Being equal to "a million nukes" means nothing, as a nuclear device is a type of weapon, not a word describing its magnitude. A nuclear device could theoretically be scaled upwards indefinitely.
Fourth of all, Waverider is from the future, so he obviously wasn't referring to contemporary nuclear weapons.
Fifth of all, nukes in the DC universe have consistently shown themselves to be incredibly powerful. Look at these scans for example:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/dcnuke.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/dcnuke1.jpg
Sixth of all, I can do the same and use outdated feats from DBZ where Goku says he is at his limit, then use your logic to say he can't do any more despite his better feats later. Training in 50 gravities is Goku's limit:
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Seventh of all, the entire theme of the Hunter/Prey arc was about Superman overcoming his limits and mental blocks, such as his fear of Doomsday. After that blast, he got back up and finished the fight.
