Endless Mike
Sqirrel Girl fanboy
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Goku never stop levitating with the 40 tons as normal, Goku didn’t feel the weights at all as Supersaiyan.
As soon as it went to 40 tons, all of his limbs were pulled down and he started sinking, and he had to transform immediately.
As a comic relief Goku barely touch Chi chi and Chi chi went out of the house trough the wall. And Vegeta train in 300g, that show their strength
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After the room of spirit of time Goku only interact his power with Cell, The monster Yakon and Buu, Buu is the ultimate stronger being in DB Universe, so you don´t see difference of great advantage in strength like when Superman interact with normal humans or Superheroes like Batman.
That simply shows that Superman has much better control of his strength than Goku does. And 300 times gravity is absolutely nothing to him. He can move moons and planets, and escape black holes.
Also, link your images, don't use image tags.
Well if we check Doomsday Superman we see only glass is coming from the building and in front of the entire city. That does not mean they are slow, are they?
No one ever claimed that the entire fight between Superman and Doomsday took 5 minutes.
If the authors are suppose to draw light speed, we as readers get to see nothing, Goku has dominate it 100 g, normal g he will be able to move at the speed he is show in the Tv. Accept that the first arc Goku Roshi first tournament they are beyond sound speed, and then Roshi can not see Goku in the second tournament.
I don't remember any confirmed sound speed feats at the first budokai....
That did happen, I tough you said you have read the manga.
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Of course it happened, you missed my point. I was saying that their eyes are still useful for tracking others as shown by the androids saga.
Satan and the reporter only saw the beginning of the fight with Goku, once they power up, they could not follow, maybe just when they talking.
Lie.
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^Normal people commenting on the fight all the way through
Goku in the dark planet of Yakon avoided the monster by feeling his movements *snip*
Which was exactly my point. If they were moving at even a tiny fraction of lightspeed, sensing him with air currents would have been useless since air can't move that fast. Also, you just shot down your own argument that I was using a bad translation, since those pages have the exact same translation I have.
Trunks and Gotenks were fighting for the crown mostly in normal stages, using that at argument to say there are slow is like if I use this: *snip*
Except for the fact that:
- Trunks and Goten were not completely exhausted after fighting for hours on end across the entire country and had multiple injuries all over.
- Trunks and Goten were fighting the same way all DBZ characters fight, they even went SSJ. Claiming that their fight doesn't count is just special pleading.
For flying the Z use ki to do it, and a more ki they release they seen to flight faster, but Superman have better feats for that.
To fight the Z since Roshi explode in speed enough to avoid or attack, when fighting is different that when flying, to the point that they leave after images and appear behind the opponent without being percept, is a technique.
And what's your point? Rorouni Kenshin characters can do the same thing.
*snip* Goku is not slow in fact after 100 g Goku SSJ1 technique to appear behind the opponent is beyond even Freeza could not follow, Gohan took the Senzu beans from Cell without Cell noticing it. Goku can fight find with Superman.
Except neither Frieza nor Cell have speed feats anywhere near Superman. Also, link your images.
Is true, is an inconsistence, Toriyama seen here to care less about details, maybe to make the history different, we can find such things in Superman histories too, that does not erase his pass feats, is just for the sake of the history that Superman and Goku and others characters take time, to give suspense, to make the history exciting.
Except the difference is that DBZ characters don't have any of these kinds of feats at all, while Superman has many.
For how DB is made, Toriyama don´t aply the logic of time in favour of the history, in the battle with Freeza, the 5 minutes is done in several chapters, with events in different places, that in the anime was stretch too, but that does not mean Goku is slow, for that matter, Toriyama give Goku the Shunkan Idou (original name meaning Instantaneous movement) to stop making feats speed.
Superman could catch easy the plane in the movie, but is more emotion to see that he takes his time, don´t you think?
The movie is non - canon, and besides, this whole thing is an appeal to emotion fallacy. You can't just assume that Goku can move that fast if there is no evidence that he can.
Ok Superman is not mean to be a fighter even if he show training by mongul, and Batman
but Goku is mean to be a fighter since his first appearance he show martial arts knowledge, he never stop training, and his skill is more show in DB, in Z is change a little for power and beams attacks, but Goku is better fighter than Superman overall, is rare seen Superman fighting using moves with kicks and elbows, we mostly se him using only his punch, with Goku we have seen, kicks, heat butts, elbows, side kicks, block and punch, releasing blast from his feats, using techniques from others (Kienzan, Tai o ken), etc.
Superman is cool but he never is going to be a fighter character, Goku is.
Superman has 1000 years of combat experience in Valhalla. He's knowledgeable in multiple martial arts, and knows how to use pressure points on the body. Even without his powers, he can defeat street - level peak human characters and armed thugs.
This battle is never ending, because Goku never fought someone like Superman, but in the same way Superman never fought with someone like Goku. Who is better is always up to opinions until Toriyama and DC make a official crossover and that never Going to happen.
If you think that, then why are you even debating this?
