Originally posted by The Great GalenHow is it up for debate? Kid Buu toyed with Gokou, Vegeta, and Fat Buu. Also Gohan was stronger than Super Buu who was also stronger than Gokou so no Gokou doesn't rival Gohan. If anybody was Gohan's rival I'd say Kid Buu was. I believe Kid Buu > Super Buu but with people absorbed Super Buu surpassed Kid Buu.
Its up for debate if Goku is peers with Buu or not, Goku is as strong as mystic Gohan and believe me on panel eveidence implies very strongly that Goku could easily destroy a planet.
Everybody knows Gokou can destroy a planet...just I have plenty of doubt he can do it outright.
Endless Mike - Really wouldn' surprise me if that sock was somebody like that.
emporerpants - Thanks, and you're right about Gohan. I don't know why people think Gokou is the strongest.
Originally posted by The Great GalenThe fact Gohan has always been or had the potential to be more powerful. When they fought Radditz, against Vegeta, against Cell, against Super Buu, the creator wanted Gohan to be stronger, Gokou couldn't take on Super Buu but Gohan could have easily beaten Super Buu, Gotenks was stronger than Gokou and Gohan was stronger than Gotenks. It's not hard to figure out. Gohan was the strongest in the series as Mystic.
Of course Goku is the strongest, what the hell makes anyone thnk Gohan is more poweful then GOku.
Sarutobi - When has Superman been koed by being hit through a brick wall besides the show? When did Toyman beat him? Grodd is a high level telepath along with super strength and is a genius.
Gokou gets hurt going through small mountains, and is hurt by punchs that aren't close to what Superman can dish out at all.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhen have Gohan and Gokou ever been peers? Gohan was so much more powerful in Radditz Saga, Freeza Saga Gokou was so much more powerful, Cell Saga Gohan was a lot more powerful, beginning of Buu Saga Gokou was more powerful until Gohan became Mystic. There isn't anything to suggest Gokou is stronger. Super Buu was a lot more powerful than Fat Buu who was Gokou's peer. Gohan was a lot more powerful than Super Buu. Fat Buu couldn't destroy Earth the same way Kid Buu did. The most Fat Buu ever did with an attack was destroy 1/10th if the world's population when Gokou deflected his Kamehameha. Super Buu never shot a blast powerful enough to know if Super Buu was the limit or not but Gotenks super attack didn't destroy Earth and Gotenks = Super Buu and he had to be told by Piccolo to be careful not to destroy everything after because they wouldn't be able to use the dragonballs if they got destroyed. So what we know of is Kid Buu is the limit and the neither Gokou nor Vegeta are as powerful as Kid Buu so they won't be destroying a planet like Kid Buu. Gohan is a completely different story since we don't know how he stacks to Kid Buu but we know he is stronger than Gokou that much is pretty clear and Kid Buu is arguably stronger than Super Buu without Gotenks or Piccolo absorbed.
Goku is peers with Gohan dude, I dont know why ur making stuff up. Even if Gohan edges out Goku, Goku could still destryo a planet with relative ease like Buus.
Originally posted by The Great GalenThe only possible thing I could be wrong about is Kid Buu being > Super Buu. It's not really easy to tell which is stronger since Kid Buu never went all out, and Gokou nor Vegeta could really feel his ki. Gohan has always had the potential to be the most powerful even during the Radditz Saga, Gohan was able to fight Vegeta evenly if I recall right after Gokou gets his bones broken also. Gokou at best was nearly even with Perfect Cell while Gohan at ssj was stronger than Cell but unwilling to actually fight. SSJ2 put him even farther. Then when come back to Buu saga where Gohan became weaker from nont training so Vegeta and Gokou passed him up in power so SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than Cell he wasn't a match for Fat Buu for to long, and SSJ3 Gokou while he could have beat Fat Buu was pretty much his equal if not a little stronger. Evil Buu beat Fat Buu and became Super Buu who was even more powerful and Gokou wouldn't have stood a chance since Fat Buu was nearly his equal or his equal one of the two while Gotenks was Super Buu's equal. So by that we must know Gotenks > Gokou. So then in comes Gohan with his mystic upgrade who is > Gotenks. It's only right that Gohan is superior to Gokou though maybe not as good a fighter sure but powerwise Gohan was top dog then under Super Buu w/Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed. Then there is Kid Buu...Kid Buu never shows off his full power and chooses to toy with Gokou, Vegeta, and Fat Buu. Now the tricky part. Gokou is alive so he doesn't have the body to power up fully but Fat Buu who was nearly his equal wasn't exactly doing much good against Kid Buu at all though better than Vegeta did. So we can safely say Kid Buu is stronger than Gokou..how much in unknown and if he truly is stronger than Super Buu is also unknown. So can Super Buu and Gotenks destroy a planet like Kid Buu? Not really sure though I would say no because Kid Buu is stronger there isn't much in the way of proof since Super Buu was stronger than Gokou also. I place Kid Buu higher because he has the more destructive feats like destroying Earth, and messing around with Gokou, Fat Buu, and Vegeta afterwards while not taking them seriously at all, and the fact in American Shonen Jump Akira said Kid Buu was the strongest of the Buu's and that Gotenks super attack only created a giant hole and Gotenks wasn't really holding back or caring about destroying anything. Though I do guess that Gotenks first attack that caused the crater was just slamming Buu into the ground like a volleyball, and the other was just a spam of ki blasts.
You have a warped take on things, ill get back to it tommorow but ill just leave tonight saying your wrong.
Originally posted by dragonballzsuckLook man, go and re-read all of your little comics and sh** but dont come on here talkin stuff cuz i aint the one to mess wit aight so jus continue wit this thread amiable and keep your fu***** temper to yo fu***** self aight man so jus chill. .Anyway excuse me but dat du really got on my nerves. lets continue. . Goku wins, plus he is in a world where everybody is tryin to blow his home up or taking over it, plus he got senzu beans and time chambers, that counts for something right? lol.
your a ****ing idiot like everyone who says goku wins.you dumb ****s
Originally posted by richardchavezjYou mean the hyperbolic time chamber which is a seperate dimension whose access point was destroyed? And weren't the last of the senzu used/destroyed, or did those get brought back with the rest of the earth?
Look man, go and re-read all of your little comics and sh** but dont come on here talkin stuff cuz i aint the one to mess wit aight so jus continue wit this thread amiable and keep your fu***** temper to yo fu***** self aight man so jus chill. .Anyway excuse me but dat du really got on my nerves. lets continue. . Goku wins, plus he is in a world where everybody is tryin to blow his home up or taking over it, plus he got senzu beans and time chambers, that counts for something right? lol.
First...Superman is more of a god than Gokou is. Immortal, extremely powerful, worshipped by some. The gods in DBZ aren't really special at all besides the fact they live for ever if not killed by something. Gokou passed them all up and he's not even the strongest in the series, and even Gohan isn't on Superman's level.
Second...did you really just say ssj5? A form that isn't even real that would be even more speculation than ever. As for absorbing the dragonballs..last time I checked Gokou had nothing to prove he even got any power from that or any new ability.
Third...there has been no proof that Gokou can compete with Superman at all. No facts at all that Gokou can even hurt or touch Superman.
Originally posted by richardchavezjSorry that's non-canon to the manga. also ssj5 never actually existed in either the manga nor the anime.
How many facts do i have to bring up in order for u to understand that against superman, goku is a GOD. Personally Superman sundipped has no chance against ssj5 goku, after absorbing the dragonballs.
What's the importantce of using canon non-fan created material?
Ricardchavezj gtfo man. Plz. Your not helping the cause. I bet your a Superman fan trying to disccredit us.
Also for everyone sayin there are no facts that Goku could hurt Superman there is also no proof Superman could hurt Goku. Supes cant even touch him. Supes trades blows with Solomon Grundy, he gets tagged by GORILLA GROD. Goku would never get tagged by GORILLA GROD.GORILLA GROD doesnt even have SUperhuman speed
Originally posted by superkronick92
Oh, to anyone who still had their doubts, I found a video proving Mystic Gohan>>SS3 GokuNote: this is the same thing that happened in the manga