hmmm...gotenks said dozen times areound the world
dozen=12
And Light travels around the world at 7 times a second. Gotenks still wasn't light speed.
Goku, unlike Kid Buu, didn't want to destroy the world, so he suppressed his kamehama power. Goku even said himself that if he was still dead as SS3, he'd have beaten Kid Buu a long time ago.
No ,he said he could of beaten Fat Buu.
bak to the point of this thread. Goku would crush superman with in seconds.
Never read a Superman comic have you. Goku has no chance against Superman. Just like he has no chance against L-sama, Dark Schneider and tengen toppa Gurren Lagann
Originally posted by Sarutobi700Yet he couldn't even block Kid Buu's planet destroying blast. Not to mention he never said that about Kid Buu. He said he was trying to gather his full energy but didn't have time and that he could beat Kid Buu if he could. The only reason he could beat Kid Buu is because Buu has bad defense not because he was more powerful. Kid Buu wasn't even trying when fighting against Gokou also along with they couldn't feel his ki. Because Buu did something means nothing since he isn't Gokou and is superior to Gokou. Besides Buu's attack > Kamehameha. It's proven when Gokou survived Buu's Kamehameha but had to dodge Buu's own attack.
Goku, unlike Kid Buu, didn't want to destroy the world, so he suppressed his kamehama power. Goku even said himself that if he was still dead as SS3, he'd have beaten Kid Buu a long time ago.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWho has ever treated Gokou as street level? Or depower him for that matter.
Very well observed Vvendeta, I agree with every point u make. However as u said people will try to dismiss Goku as some street level thug with flashy gimmicks and find some sort of contrived retort to depower him.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700if he had countered the planet destroying blast wouldnt it have been similar to when ceel and gohan fired blastS? It would have resulted in kid buu's death
Goku, unlike Kid Buu, didn't want to destroy the world, so he suppressed his kamehama power. Goku even said himself that if he was still dead as SS3, he'd have beaten Kid Buu a long time ago.
Let me see if I can explain this to you again: You think I stated that Goku's strongest kamehameha is not any stronger than Master Roshi's kamehameha. You're asking me this question to present an analogy. The problem is, I never said that. I said that we don't know how much stronger Goku's Kamehameha is than Roshi's. Not that it isn't stronger.
exactly, I'm saying though wouldnt it be obvious it was much more powerful?
like krypto and superman have never had a laser vision contest but based on feats of their other powers can't we say superman is overal more powerful than krypto and goku powers are overall much more powerful than roshis?
I'm not trying to use your stringman but stating things the author is trying to make obvious...I mean much of the series they go on about how so and so good destroy the planet so I belive i nthe least goku's full power kamehameha could destroy a planet (still not enough to KO superman but still)
if cell who is nearly / roughly as strong as ssj2 & goku when fighting majin is stronger than gohan when he fought cell and also has ssj3 on top of that power level he should be able to damage a lot more than the solar system!
i just don't undertsand the ignorance of superman fans who dismiss goku has that kind of power
Originally posted by ankur29To bad the blast did nothing close to destroying a solar system and that Kid Buu's blast that only destroyed Earth was to much for Gokou or Vegeta to block. Which brings us back to the fact that Cell was just bragging, and that all the blasts before Kid Buu wouldn't destroy Earth outright.
if cell who is nearly / roughly as strong as ssj2 & goku when fighting majin is stronger than gohan when he fought cell and also has ssj3 on top of that power level he should be able to damage a lot more than the solar system!i just don't undertsand the ignorance of superman fans who dismiss goku has that kind of power
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Nobody is saying Gokou can't destroy a planet...just not outright like Kid Buu but more like what Freeza did on Namek.
exactly, I'm saying though wouldnt it be obvious it was much more powerful?like krypto and superman have never had a laser vision contest but based on feats of their other powers can't we say superman is overal more powerful than krypto and goku powers are overall much more powerful than roshis?
I'm not trying to use your stringman but stating things the author is trying to make obvious...I mean much of the series they go on about how so and so good destroy the planet so I belive i nthe least goku's full power kamehameha could destroy a planet (still not enough to KO superman but still)
Originally posted by Kento
To bad the blast did nothing close to destroying a solar system and that Kid Buu's blast that only destroyed Earth was to much for Gokou or Vegeta to block. Which brings us back to the fact that Cell was just bragging, and that all the blasts before Kid Buu wouldn't destroy Earth outright.
that is not the point ..roshi blew up the moon, so did piccolo,frieza blew up planet vegeta ....cell said it and it's cannon...it's the same as when someone says supes can sneeze and crack the earth in half... i hope you are not just saying it was a bluff to suit your bias , if he said he could blow up the solar system & gohan and other charecters present at the scene believed it than it is no bluff.
i can't explain why the crater was so small but i can't explain the inconsistencies in the series either (roshi can blow up a moon but a supersaiyan does not show that kind of power on panel although it is widely implied they can! ) ,but the blasts counteracted and took care of each other! (gohan obliterated cell in teh process cause vegeta distracted cell)
as to goku & vegeta unable to deflect buu's earth destroying blast , who is to say buss earth destroying blast is not dozens of times more powerful than cell's one hence the saiyans inabilty to deflect a chi blast aimed at teh earth with power exceeding thier own
Originally posted by ankur29And Freeza blew up Vegeta off panel and when he blew up Namek it involved chain reaction. Who said Superman can sneeze and crack a moon in half? Superman can crack a moon in half since he's done it. Not a single one of the characters in that fight would even know how much force it would take to blow up the solar system..they just believed him.
that is not the point ..roshi blew up the moon, so did piccolo,frieza blew up planet vegeta ....cell said it and it's cannon...it's the same as when someone says supes can sneeze and crack the earth in half... i hope you are not just saying it was a bluff to suit your bias , if he said he could blow up the solar system & gohan and other charecters present at the scene believed it than it is no bluff.i can't explain why the crater was so small but i can't explain the inconsistencies in the series either (roshi can blow up a moon but a supersaiyan does not show that kind of power on panel although it is widely implied they can! ) ,but the blasts counteracted and took care of each other! (gohan obliterated cell in teh process cause vegeta distracted cell)
as to goku & vegeta unable to deflect buu's earth destroying blast , who is to say buss earth destroying blast is not dozens of times more powerful than cell's one hence the saiyans inabilty to deflect a chi blast aimed at teh earth with power exceeding thier own
It's not hard to figure Gokou, or anybody from DBZ with a power higher than Roshi can blow up the moon...doesn't mean they can destroy Earth. Gohan's blast didn't just stop and if it had enough power to destroy the Solar System it would have destroyed it.
THe only thing destroyed by Buu's blast is Earth..it exploded and if it really was so much stronger than Cell's "solar system" destroying blast the solar system would have been wiped out not just Earth. You can argue that Gohan and Cell's attack never exploded or anything to release the energy but Buu's exploded and Gohan stopped Cell's planet destroying blast before Cell killed himself with ease. If Buu's blast was only planetary level when Cell's was solar system level then it would have been easy for two ssj2's to block it.
first of, lets look bak at the freza saga. freeza could easily destroy planet after planet right, then at the end of all dragon ball z sagas goku has achieved a power about a thousand times greater than freza. so, that would incline that goku could, if he was evil, destroy a whole galaxy. also like in the movie, everytime supes lands in a planet he cant just land from one planet to another like goku. supes landed in his aircraft. goku could just use instant transmission and go from planet to planet. no human has ever been a danger to goku, no matter how smart they were. superman, on the other hand was nearlly killed by lex luthor a few times. al goku would have to do is strap kryptonite to his outfit and good bye superman. as far as lightspeed, wen ever any of the top z fighters are in battle, they can't even be seen in combat by regular humans, remembar the fight between goku and vegeta?, or how about goku vs. the ginyu force? everyone was amazed at how goku had dodged yheir attacks without virtually even moving. wen vegeta and goku fought for the first time they couldn even keep up with the fight. al they saw were sinic waves that came from the body shots they were landing. superman can only fly fast but as far as fighting at the speed of light, goku comes out winning in that contest.
Originally posted by richardchavezj
first of, lets look bak at the freza saga. freeza could easily destroy planet after planet right, then at the end of all dragon ball z sagas goku has achieved a power about a thousand times greater than freza. so, that would incline that goku could, if he was evil, destroy a whole galaxy. also like in the movie, everytime supes lands in a planet he cant just land from one planet to another like goku. supes landed in his aircraft. goku could just use instant transmission and go from planet to planet. no human has ever been a danger to goku, no matter how smart they were. superman, on the other hand was nearlly killed by lex luthor a few times. al goku would have to do is strap kryptonite to his outfit and good bye superman. as far as lightspeed, wen ever any of the top z fighters are in battle, they can't even be seen in combat by regular humans, remembar the fight between goku and vegeta?, or how about goku vs. the ginyu force? everyone was amazed at how goku had dodged yheir attacks without virtually even moving. wen vegeta and goku fought for the first time they couldn even keep up with the fight. al they saw were sinic waves that came from the body shots they were landing. superman can only fly fast but as far as fighting at the speed of light, goku comes out winning in that contest.
Been there done that, those arguments were discussed till they got boring and Superman would own the whole DBZ cast, anytime anywhere. Fighting speed, there are a lot of scans with Superman fighting at higher speeds. I would discuss this further with you but it's boring these days as the outcome is all to clear.
Let's put it simple, Goku would win against Byrne's Superman or the Animated Superman, though even this is in doubt. Against most other incarnations he wouldn' stand a chance.
Originally posted by Kento
Yet he couldn't even block Kid Buu's planet destroying blast. Not to mention he never said that about Kid Buu. He said he was trying to gather his full energy but didn't have time and that he could beat Kid Buu if he could. The only reason he could beat Kid Buu is because Buu has bad defense not because he was more powerful. Kid Buu wasn't even trying when fighting against Gokou also along with they couldn't feel his ki. Because Buu did something means nothing since he isn't Gokou and is superior to Gokou. Besides Buu's attack > Kamehameha. It's proven when Gokou survived Buu's Kamehameha but had to dodge Buu's own attack.
No Goku dodged the second attack because he was fatigued. Im sure if the kamehameha came 2nd he would ave tried to dodge it aswell
Originally posted by richardchavezjSure Freeza could destroy a planet...but not outright since Buu only destroyed a planet and neither Gokou nor Vegeta could block it. No blast has ever shown to have the power to destroy a galaxy at all so no Gokou can't if Kid Buu can't. Superman is only beaten because of Kryptonite...Gokou's tail is removed so his big weakness is gone while Superman can't just remove his. And Superman can still hit Gokou from far enough away that he'd be unaffected by a kryptonite suit, not to mention Superman has fought things made from kryptonite, and magic and still won so Gokou still wouldn't have a chance with a kryptonite suit when he gets taken out before it can really hurt Superman. Normal people have also seem them fight more often than not. Also Superman has feats that back his reaction time to his speed.
first of, lets look bak at the freza saga. freeza could easily destroy planet after planet right, then at the end of all dragon ball z sagas goku has achieved a power about a thousand times greater than freza. so, that would incline that goku could, if he was evil, destroy a whole galaxy. also like in the movie, everytime supes lands in a planet he cant just land from one planet to another like goku. supes landed in his aircraft. goku could just use instant transmission and go from planet to planet. no human has ever been a danger to goku, no matter how smart they were. superman, on the other hand was nearlly killed by lex luthor a few times. al goku would have to do is strap kryptonite to his outfit and good bye superman. as far as lightspeed, wen ever any of the top z fighters are in battle, they can't even be seen in combat by regular humans, remembar the fight between goku and vegeta?, or how about goku vs. the ginyu force? everyone was amazed at how goku had dodged yheir attacks without virtually even moving. wen vegeta and goku fought for the first time they couldn even keep up with the fight. al they saw were sinic waves that came from the body shots they were landing. superman can only fly fast but as far as fighting at the speed of light, goku comes out winning in that contest.
Originally posted by The Great GalenBecause ya know nobody in DBZ has ever bluffed before. Like Vegeta to Gero after beating 19. Or Vegeta saying he was super saiyan. Or plenty of other stuff, and everything they say has always been true. And never once has a blast before Buu destroyed a planet outright and SSJ3 Gokou isn't as powerful as Buu and the fact that Buu only destroyed a planet backs up the fact Freeza couldn't outright destroy a planet except the way he did on Namek and nobody weaker than Kid Buu which means Gotenks down can't outright destroy a planet but Mystic Gohan (possibly), Kid Buu, and Super Buu with Gotenks, and Gotenks absorbed, and with Gohan absorbed also.
Goku could easily destroy earth as Buu did, SSJ3 is several times more powerful the Freiza so why the hell would he need a chain reaction blast. Cell was not bluffing otherwise it wouldnt have been written...why the hell would Akira right a false claim in his own creation.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700No, Gokou even says Kid Buu's Kamehameha is done wrong but that doesn't change the fact that Kid Buu's huge ki ball has done more than any Kamehameha has ever done and that Gokou still had to dodge it both time, and both times Kid Buu wasn't even trying and was still more powerful than Gokou.
No Goku dodged the second attack because he was fatigued. Im sure if the kamehameha came 2nd he would ave tried to dodge it aswell
