Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by richardchavezj
Superman is nothing against the most powerful form Goku can achieve, Saiyans power has no limit, so what if krillin dies, if it causes goku to achieve another level, the kill everyone else, but goku would tear superman apart, literally

nope, goku wins and that is final

Why does Kento make thing sup for?

Originally posted by richardchavezj
nope, goku wins and that is final

Wow! That sounds SO convincing when you don't prove it. 🙄

Originally posted by richardchavezj
nope, goku wins and that is final

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why does Kento make thing sup for?

The issue on Goku vs Gohan is seperate, a valid enough argument can be made either way. I personally think Goku is peers with Kid Buu but thats another topic for another thread. In this particular situation Supes wins 10/10. Goku is at his max a herald level being...I suppose the debate is exactly where he fits in overall power hierchy.

We know he's a planet buster, we know he's beyond mach 5. We know he has good enough durabilty to endure plast and stirkes capable of destroying large cities...what we dont know is the exact limits of his power.

Strikes capable of destroying cities? Not one person in DBZ has the strength to do that. City destroying blasts yea he has the durability to survive but his durability when it comes to punches isn't on par with his energy durability. He's like the opposite of Buu who has great durability to a punch but hit him with a blast and he gets blown apart though I guess it doesn't really hurt him. Gokou's herald sure but I wouldn't place him any higher than low herald personally.

Still doesn't say what I made up though.

The strikes in DBZ created massive shockwaves that did create rather large crators. The DBZ characters never fought in crowded cities for this reason out of fear of the city being destroyed. Maybe no one in the series was capable of destroying a city outright with a single blow, but multiple stirkes would accomplish this feat. Now IMO, I place Goku on the higher end of Mid herald...so hes just short of high herald but at the top of mid herald.

It seems more logical to assume that they were referring to their ki blasts destroying the cities.

Anyway, can someone give me a quick update on what's been going on here? I have my scans now and I'm ready to debate fully.

I think were all pretty much done, overall the match up is conclusive becase hardcore Z fans won't budge on there stance and I think lots of folks debating for Supes r just plain exhausted typing the same old story over and over. Oh and just to comment on one last thing before I call it quits, during there bouts the damage inflicting from there stirkes were considerable so it was probably a combination of there chi and striking power.

Well they could certainly knock down a few skyscrapers with a punch, but they could take out a whole city with 1 ki blast, so they were likely more worried about the latter.

Yeah probably, they could easily level skyscraper size buidling with a punch and considering the speed and distance the battles usually cover ithey would certainly level a city within a matter of momments. Remember the impact of there blows can completly demolish and leave gaint crators in mountains at times.

I don't ever remember anyone physically destroying a mountain in DBZ (unless you're very liberal with your definition of "mountain"😉

Well they were"moutain like" but larger then buildings thats for sure. Like I said, if it was just a pure striking match most DBZ could level a city during the course of a battle...not in a single blow or anything but just throuhg the progression fo the battle since they did travel long distances under there own teleportation like speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
The strikes in DBZ created massive shockwaves that did create rather large crators. The DBZ characters never fought in crowded cities for this reason out of fear of the city being destroyed. Maybe no one in the series was capable of destroying a city outright with a single blow, but multiple stirkes would accomplish this feat. Now IMO, I place Goku on the higher end of Mid herald...so hes just short of high herald but at the top of mid herald.

The problem with placing him at low herald would be that he would hover to closly to Meta level and he's quite obviosuly well beyond that. Mid herald is perfect cause he isnt quite the bottom of the barrel yet he isnt top tier, not to mention he does have teleportation-like battle speed and he is a planet buster. The impact of his strikes did creat shockwaves and he's obviously capable of destroying buildings with a single blow...so It isn't to out of line to say a pure brawling battle with him agaisnt Vegeta wouldnt ruin a city (especially when u take into account the speed they fight at).

You have a point and I agree he could be mid-herald but if he was mid-herald I think he'd be one of the bottom just over low herald not really in the top of mid-herald. I think J'onn, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, Zod, Lobo, any of the Flashes, Beta Ray Bill, Firestorm, any Green Lantern, and Orion could easily beat him and they are all on the mid herald list that KMC has. Well not all the GL's or Flashes are on mid, some are low but those GL's I don't know, and I think any Flash could take him. I think Superboy would give him a good fight. But that's just me.

I think a fight between most Krillen and Yamcha would ruin a city...mainly because of the blasts they would use. Like I said I can't remember their punches causing to big of shockwaves..if any at all. I need to check that out. I think I remember the Majin Vegeta/Gokou fight making shockwaves in the anime though it's been so long since I've seen the anime and I can't remember any small details like that from the manga it's been so long.

Goku is Skyfather level guys

No, Vegeta detonated that first blast before it reached anything. The fact that it blew up on Earth even though it wasn't on the surface pretty much proves it wasn't a true planet destroying blast but more like the drilling kind that destroys the core. IT is travel speed...it's not going to help him at all against Superman. It makes a noise when he comes in, Superman has super hearing, he's already a lot slower than Superman. What exactly will IT do again except get him away from the fight if he can lock onto a target faster than Superman can hit him.

that wasnt stated that seems more like speculation just because they looked alike doesnt mean anything