Originally posted by SmashBroWay to be sarcastic Mr. Smashbro. Also, everyone please save all that other talk for their corresponding thread, this is a Superman vs. Goku thread. Also who ever thinks goku can't destroy a city, let alone a planet, with one blast you are wrong. If goku was a villain, he woukd be able to destroy a planet with one blast. Now everyone, we are all aware that comic books exagerate the strenght of our favorite superheroes. For example, superman holding a black whole, WTF? It's impossible to hold a blackhole. In case you didn't know, not even light escapes being torn apart by a blackhole. We can't base our facts on that. The only true source we can use is cartoons and, of course our recent movies, which are changing the way we see our superheroes. These movies indicate only one thing; These are the REAL capabilities of our superheroes. so forget the comicbook versions, they don't exist anymore. Superman, Hulk, Batman, Ironman, Spiderman, Daredevil, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, etc. All of these superheroes are being updated by these movies, revolutionizing the way we see them. The superman of today is not nearly as strong as the comic book version, as well as everyone else for that matter. So with this said, The Real Battle between Goku and Superman will be a whole lot different if the comic book version of superman is no longer present. I'm sure if goku was in exeggerated comic books, he would be alot stronger that he is in cartoons. So this isn't fair from the beggining, seeing as Goku's strenght wasn't exaggerated by comic books. Now tell me, If Goku and the Superman of today (movie version) were to fight, who would win? Let's discuss this matter, and keep in mind that this isn't a comic book discussion seeing as Goku doesn't have a comic book version and superman does.
Wow! That sounds SO convincing when you don't prove it. 🙄
Originally posted by richardchavezj
Way to be sarcastic Mr. Smashbro. Also, everyone please save all that other talk for their corresponding thread, this is a Superman vs. Goku thread. Also who ever thinks goku can't destroy a city, let alone a planet, with one blast you are wrong. If goku was a villain, he woukd be able to destroy a planet with one blast. Now everyone, we are all aware that comic books exagerate the strenght of our favorite superheroes. For example, superman holding a black whole, WTF? It's impossible to hold a blackhole. In case you didn't know, not even light escapes being torn apart by a blackhole. We can't base our facts on that. The only true source we can use is cartoons and, of course our recent movies, which are changing the way we see our superheroes. These movies indicate only one thing; These are the REAL capabilities of our superheroes. so forget the comicbook versions, they don't exist anymore. Superman, Hulk, Batman, Ironman, Spiderman, Daredevil, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, etc. All of these superheroes are being updated by these movies, revolutionizing the way we see them. The superman of today is not nearly as strong as the comic book version, as well as everyone else for that matter. So with this said, The Real Battle between Goku and Superman will be a whole lot different if the comic book version of superman is no longer present. I'm sure if goku was in exeggerated comic books, he would be alot stronger that he is in cartoons. So this isn't fair from the beggining, seeing as Goku's strenght wasn't exaggerated by comic books. Now tell me, If Goku and the Superman of today (movie version) were to fight, who would win? Let's discuss this matter, and keep in mind that this isn't a comic book discussion seeing as Goku doesn't have a comic book version and superman does.
Manga= Japanese Comic
Comic Superman owns Goku fairly easy. "Comic version of Superman is no longer present" What does that mean? You can't just disqualify a feat because it's impossible for a FICTIONAL CHARACTER to do it. IF DBZ was exaggerated? it was always exaggerated. Even if you wanted to use Movie Superman, he wins easier than comic one does seeing how he moved the moon, turned back time and lifted up a continent made of kryptonite.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg
Next time, if you want to debate Comic Books you should know something about them. No disrespect.
Originally posted by superkronick92Your facts are a bit off don't you think? Goku could lift a continent too, and i don't disqualify comic books, you just can't compare comic book versions with cartoons, it's impossible. Superman is strong, i wont argue with that, but i have ti give credit to Goku, which has far more capabilities than superman can achieve. I'n the movie superman is the only one of his kind, while in DBZ world, Goku has alot of competition due to the massiv number of others like himself, thus creating the idea that he isn't a worthy opponent. Superman's new adventures have just started with his most recent movie and he has yet to encounter another being like himself. Goku on the other hand has always encountered stronger beings than himself, but his power always grows more and more, A saiyan has no limit to his powers. Superman is superior to anyone in his world for right now, but if he was in the dbz world he would have as much competition as goku does.
Manga= Japanese ComicComic Superman owns Goku fairly easy. "Comic version of Superman is no longer present" What does that mean? You can't just disqualify a feat because it's impossible for a FICTIONAL CHARACTER to do it. IF DBZ was exaggerated? it was always exaggerated. Even if you wanted to use Movie Superman, he wins easier than comic one does seeing how he moved the moon, turned back time and lifted up a continent made of kryptonite.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg
Next time, if you want to debate Comic Books you should know something about them. No disrespect.
Goku could lift a continent too,
No he can't at SSJ2 he struggled to push a hill in half
At SSJ4 he had trouble lifting a city block.
Neither of those weigh even one millionth of a continents weight.
and i don't disqualify comic books, you just can't compare comic book versions with cartoons, it's impossible.
You're in the comicbook section of the forum... As it has been pointed out Goku did originate as Japanese comicbook character. Also I could name dozens of anime characters who could beat Goku and Superman at the same time.
Superman's new adventures have just started with his most recent movie and he has yet to encounter another being like himself
General Zod, Ursa and Non ring a bell? Superman returns continues on from 1 and 2.
Originally posted by richardchavezjGokou can't lift a continent. Plus movie Superman did it to one made up of nearly all kryptonite. You know his weakness that kills him by being close and weakens him. And DBZ is a comic..and last time I checked aliens moving faster than sound, and shooting energy is a bit over the norm of regular stuff. Almost anything Gokou can do Superman can do better and faster. And the new movie is a sequal to the old Chritopher Reeves movies. So he has met beings stronger than himself that are of his race. Unlike Gokou he fought them 1-on-3 also not 1-on-1. Superman also has no limit as closer to the sun more power he gets, and movie or comic Superman stomp comic or cartoon Gokou
Your facts are a bit off don't you think? Goku could lift a continent too, and i don't disqualify comic books, you just can't compare comic book versions with cartoons, it's impossible. Superman is strong, i wont argue with that, but i have ti give credit to Goku, which has far more capabilities than superman can achieve. I'n the movie superman is the only one of his kind, while in DBZ world, Goku has alot of competition due to the massiv number of others like himself, thus creating the idea that he isn't a worthy opponent. Superman's new adventures have just started with his most recent movie and he has yet to encounter another being like himself. Goku on the other hand has always encountered stronger beings than himself, but his power always grows more and more, A saiyan has no limit to his powers. Superman is superior to anyone in his world for right now, but if he was in the dbz world he would have as much competition as goku does.
Goku pushed apart a huge cliff actually. he also caused mountains to raise and rifts sto form by trading blows with kid buu
It was about the size of a large house, you can see Kid Buu in relation to it. It's about 20ft tall at most.
Mountain is a very vague term under the american definition it can be a rock formation of any size. In the United Kingdom there is a minimum size a mountain must be and by that definition those were certainly not mountains. I should know I've climbed half a dozen in my time.
Besides that neither are Superman level feats and those are Goku's best ones and non canon at that.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700You obviously have no clue what skyfather level is. Odin a skyfather was destroying galaxies in his fight. Not mountains, Not planets, but galaxies were being extinguished while he was fighting... when was the last time Goku got in a fist fight and the resulting fisticuffs extinguished galaxies.
Goku is Skyfather level guys
That's not entirly true, but it isn't something Ill debate just yet as I still want to address the strength issue (im referring to the buu being stronger statment). As far as shockwaves are concerned, nearly all the DBZ fights were presented with lasrge spans of time showing an empty sky being filled with shockwave blast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ35eZ_iHAY at around 5:08 u can see for yourself (infact the entire clip shows several examples of shockwaves) and this fight isn't filler or anything but rather what's in the manga. Also keep in mind that Goku is above 100 class in strength, Akira's exclusion of strength feats is unusual no doubt but lots of creators have different interpretations on displaying speed,power and strength.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
his energy output is insane, we for sure havent seen the extent of it. also anyone who says he cant blow up a planet is adouche bag and is in denial. Roshi could do it in DRAGONBALL!! it doesnt have to be demonstrated for it to be true. kid buu did it and goku is way stronger than kid buu.
Roshi didn't blow up a planet in Dragonball. He only blew up the moon and nobody's saying Goku can't destroy a planet.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWho has ever said Gokou wasn't over 100 tons? Has there been a strength issue? And I'll have to get on my computer later to watch the video because my Wii doesn't seem to want to let me watch it. However even if there are shockwaves..aren't they usually just in that small area of the person and not felt anywhere else unless it's from a blast? The more and more I think about it...Goten, and Trunks fight had shockwaves. Shockwaves are usually what it shows when they are fighting fast and it's far out...hmmm don't know why I forgot that. Still it's usually not affecting anything around that I remember. Though I do have to ask...what makes you think Kid Buu isn't stronger than Gokou?
That's not entirly true, but it isn't something Ill debate just yet as I still want to address the strength issue (im referring to the buu being stronger statment). As far as shockwaves are concerned, nearly all the DBZ fights were presented with lasrge spans of time showing an empty sky being filled with shockwave blast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ35eZ_iHAY at around 5:08 u can see for yourself (infact the entire clip shows several examples of shockwaves) and this fight isn't filler or anything but rather what's in the manga. Also keep in mind that Goku is above 100 class in strength, Akira's exclusion of strength feats is unusual no doubt but lots of creators have different interpretations on displaying speed,power and strength.
Well one of the issues I have with DBZ was that the fights were always in some distant island, none of the fights were ever confined within a city so we don't really know what effect the shockwaves would have on the buildings/surroundings. Considering that there were points in the series were a clash of fist resulted in massive explosions I think its safe to assume a pure brawling match between Goku and Gohan would leave any size city in ruins.
Now with Goku vs Buu, I think its always been implied the two were peers in power. In my mind here is how I see the DBZ tier list:
Vegetto
Super Buu
Buu w/Gotenks,
SSJ3/Kid Buu/Mystic Gohan
Evil Buu, SSJ3 Gotenks
Fat Buu,SSJ2 Vegeta
Most of the destruction always comes from blasts though. I can't remember them just punching each other and destroying anything. The clash between beams have destroyed stuff I know also.
As for the list..there is a bit wrong with it. Vegeta and Fat Buu listed together? Gokou above Gotenks? What has Gokou done to put himself above Gotenks? Or above Super Buu? Fat Buu wasn't really having a hard time beating Vegeta at all either, and was able to fight against SSJ3 Gokou for a while. If Gokou could fight Fat Buu at ssj2 he would have and we already seen that SSJ2 Gokou = SSJ2 Vegeta.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
didnt roshi?
He did with a Kamehameha. I said physically.
Now everyone, we are all aware that comic books exagerate the strenght of our favorite superheroes. For example, superman holding a black whole, WTF? It's impossible to hold a blackhole. In case you didn't know, not even light escapes being torn apart by a blackhole. We can't base our facts on that.
Just like it's impossible to use ki to fly and shoot blasts out of your hands. So I guess Goku can't do that then.
The only true source we can use is cartoons and, of course our recent movies, which are changing the way we see our superheroes.
What? No. The Superman cartoons and movies aren't canon. Only the comics are.
These movies indicate only one thing; These are the REAL capabilities of our superheroes. so forget the comicbook versions, they don't exist anymore. Superman, Hulk, Batman, Ironman, Spiderman, Daredevil, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, etc. All of these superheroes are being updated by these movies, revolutionizing the way we see them. The superman of today is not nearly as strong as the comic book version, as well as everyone else for that matter. So with this said, The Real Battle between Goku and Superman will be a whole lot different if the comic book version of superman is no longer present.
Except the comic book version is the canon version, and the one being used for this thread.
I'm sure if goku was in exeggerated comic books, he would be alot stronger that he is in cartoons. So this isn't fair from the beggining, seeing as Goku's strenght wasn't exaggerated by comic books.
Goku originally comes from a comic book (manga = comics). Furthermore, it's not "exaggerated" if the comics are the original source!
Now tell me, If Goku and the Superman of today (movie version) were to fight, who would win? Let's discuss this matter, and keep in mind that this isn't a comic book discussion seeing as Goku doesn't have a comic book version and superman does.
The only canon version of Goku is the manga (comic book) version. The only canon version of Superman is the comic book version. Deal with it.
BTW if you really want to play this way, Movie Superman flies around the earth so fast he goes back in time and kills Goku as a baby.
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Your facts are a bit off don't you think? Goku could lift a continent too
Prove it.
i don't disqualify comic books, you just can't compare comic book versions with cartoons, it's impossible.
Yes you can, you just quantify their capabilities. Besides, considering this is manga Goku vs. comic book Superman, I fail to see the problem.
Superman is strong, i wont argue with that, but i have ti give credit to Goku, which has far more capabilities than superman can achieve. I'n the movie superman is the only one of his kind, while in DBZ world, Goku has alot of competition due to the massiv number of others like himself, thus creating the idea that he isn't a worthy opponent.
DC Earth is populated with thousands, maybe millions of superhumans.
Superman's new adventures have just started with his most recent movie and he has yet to encounter another being like himself. Goku on the other hand has always encountered stronger beings than himself, but his power always grows more and more, A saiyan has no limit to his powers. Superman is superior to anyone in his world for right now, but if he was in the dbz world he would have as much competition as goku does.
That would be a great argument EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE ISN'T CANON.
Goku pushed apart a huge cliff actually. he also caused mountains to raise and rifts sto form by trading blows with kid buu
Filler.
Roshi could do it in DRAGONBALL!! it doesnt have to be demonstrated for it to be true. kid buu did it and goku is way stronger than kid buu.
Roshi destroyed the earth's moon (which only takes 1/1800th as much energy to destroy as the earth).
Goku is not stronger than Kid Buu. He was getting his ass kicked and needed Vegeta's help, plus a Genki Dama (which is not his own energy), plus a wish from the dragon to restore him, in order to win.
That's not entirly true, but it isn't something Ill debate just yet as I still want to address the strength issue (im referring to the buu being stronger statment). As far as shockwaves are concerned, nearly all the DBZ fights were presented with lasrge spans of time showing an empty sky being filled with shockwave blast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ35eZ_iHAY at around 5:08 u can see for yourself (infact the entire clip shows several examples of shockwaves) and this fight isn't filler or anything but rather what's in the manga. Also keep in mind that Goku is above 100 class in strength, Akira's exclusion of strength feats is unusual no doubt but lots of creators have different interpretations on displaying speed,power and strength.
Then post a manga scan. Non - canon anime clips don't prove anything.
Originally posted by Kentodon't their fights usually result in large craters from them being hit into the ground and from them powering up?
Most of the destruction always comes from blasts though. I can't remember them just punching each other and destroying anything. The clash between beams have destroyed stuff I know also.As for the list..there is a bit wrong with it. Vegeta and Fat Buu listed together? Gokou above Gotenks? What has Gokou done to put himself above Gotenks? Or above Super Buu? Fat Buu wasn't really having a hard time beating Vegeta at all either, and was able to fight against SSJ3 Gokou for a while. If Gokou could fight Fat Buu at ssj2 he would have and we already seen that SSJ2 Gokou = SSJ2 Vegeta.
