Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Even if they did it's not from the shockwaves of their punches that destroy anything. Though the only time I remember anything being destroyed is when they are hit through mountains or those tall but rock spires. I have no doubt a city would be destroyed in a battle but not from shockwaves caused by punches.
don't their fights usually result in large craters from them being hit into the ground and from them powering up?
Originally posted by Kento
Most of the destruction always comes from blasts though. I can't remember them just punching each other and destroying anything. The clash between beams have destroyed stuff I know also.As for the list..there is a bit wrong with it. Vegeta and Fat Buu listed together? Gokou above Gotenks? What has Gokou done to put himself above Gotenks? Or above Super Buu? Fat Buu wasn't really having a hard time beating Vegeta at all either, and was able to fight against SSJ3 Gokou for a while. If Gokou could fight Fat Buu at ssj2 he would have and we already seen that SSJ2 Gokou = SSJ2 Vegeta.
goku is above gotenks , gotenks was a match for super buu whereby thier strength was close/ evenly matched , whereas as kid buu who was stronger than all other incarnations was equal to goku
if you hav the resources to prove me wrong go ahead , i am just going baout this off teh top of my head as i no longer posses the manga
as for fat buu he is weaker than super buu and kid buu and therefore less than gotenks but significantly stronger than supersaiyan 2 as he was toying with vegeta (this should clear up that there is quite a big gap in strength/power level with ssj2 & ssj3 , i also remeber goku saying he did not want to destroy fat buu thought he possibly could have while in ssj3 as wanted the alive earth fighter i.e gotenks to have their go)
Originally posted by ankur29Gokou admits Super Buu was stronger than him when he goes after them inside of himself before Vegeta removes Fat Buu. Gotenks was able to nearly beat Super Buu how is Gokou stronger? Kid Buu was toying with Gokou also. How do you get Gokou was equal to Kid Buu. Gokou had a little trouble with Fat Buu, and yes Gokou says he could have won, which he could have because he would have had the energy to destroy Fat Buu completely and the fact Buu, none of them, have that great of energy durablity it doesn't matter if you are weaker or not you can still blow them apart. Being that Gokou was a bit stronger than Buu should have given him the advantage Vegeta didn't have to destroy every bit of Fat Buu. Gokou also said he could beat Kid Buu if he could power up enough yet Kid Buu could have just destroyed everybody on the Kaioshin planet with the same blast he did to Earth yet he didn't even try, and mocks Gokou after beating him up, toys with Fat Buu, and just beats up on Vegeta after reforming behind him.
goku is above gotenks , gotenks was a match for super buu whereby thier strength was close/ evenly matched , whereas as kid buu who was stronger than all other incarnations was equal to goku
if you hav the resources to prove me wrong go ahead , i am just going baout this off teh top of my head as i no longer posses the mangaas for fat buu he is weaker than super buu and kid buu and therefore less than gotenks but significantly stronger than supersaiyan 2 as he was toying with vegeta (this should clear up that there is quite a big gap in strength/power level with ssj2 & ssj3 , i also remeber goku saying he did not want to destroy fat buu thought he possibly could have while in ssj3 as wanted the alive earth fighter i.e gotenks to have their go)
Originally posted by Kentoyeah but the kii resonating from them causes damage right
Even if they did it's not from the shockwaves of their punches that destroy anything. Though the only time I remember anything being destroyed is when they are hit through mountains or those tall but rock spires. I have no doubt a city would be destroyed in a battle but not from shockwaves caused by punches.
It causes minimal damage to there surroundings. The shockwaves from the fight between pre and post crisis superman during IC ripped through reality and almost destroyed the planet they were fighting on. Hell when Lois died Supermans scream alone destroyed an entire street and shattered windows through out the city.
The shockwaves or the impact of the punches r enough to level building and large stuctures, as ive mentioned before there fights were never in cities so we dont know the extent of the shockwaves would have. Goku is above 100 class so thats really the only thing we have to go by. Oh and Kid buu was not toying with Goku...I dont know how that misinformation is being passed.
Originally posted by ankur29
goku is above gotenks , gotenks was a match for super buu whereby thier strength was close/ evenly matched , whereas as kid buu who was stronger than all other incarnations was equal to goku
Kid Buu is far from the strongest. Super Buu w/Gohan absorbed is the strongest.
Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu, but weaker than all versions of Super Buu.
if you hav the resources to prove me wrong go ahead , i am just going baout this off teh top of my head as i no longer posses the manga
Kaioshin says that the only reason they're more worried about Kid Buu is that he has less control of himself and is more wild and trigger - happy:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/buuorigin2.gif
Unlike Super Buu, Goku figures they don't need the Potara to fight Kid Buu:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/kidbuuweaker.gif
Goku even had some doubts about his ability to beat Fat Buu:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/onedaypassweaknessalsogokuweakertha.gif
as for fat buu he is weaker than super buu and kid buu and therefore less than gotenks but significantly stronger than supersaiyan 2 as he was toying with vegeta (this should clear up that there is quite a big gap in strength/power level with ssj2 & ssj3 , i also remeber goku saying he did not want to destroy fat buu thought he possibly could have while in ssj3 as wanted the alive earth fighter i.e gotenks to have their go)
So SSJ2 < Fat Buu < SSJ3 < Kid Buu
What's your point? Unless you can quantify exactly how much stronger each one is, that means nothing.
BTW, Fat Buu wasn't "toying with" SSJ2 Vegeta, it was a tough fight and Vegeta almost won. Vegeta was also able to hold off Kid Buu for a while.
Gokou admits Super Buu was stronger than him when he goes after them inside of himself before Vegeta removes Fat Buu.
It's true:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/absorbedpeoplefreed2.gif
Kid Buu did not toy with Goku. He is just playfull. Did you see the amount of times he got his serious face on in the fight. Are you gonna say Gotenks toyed with Superbuu just cos he made stupid attacks and smiled all the time?
He was toying with him at first (deliberately holding back SSJ3 and planning to spring it at the last moment, for example)
Originally posted by Sarutobi700Hmm that's a first. But Gotenks did toy with Super Buu...it's one of the reasons he lost because he forgot all about having a time limit and played around instead of winning. Plus a good bit of Gotenks Kamikaze Ghost attacks were just plain foolish and a few killed themselves.
^^Wow i agree with you.
Geat Galen - Um..how was Buu not toying with Gokou? He doesn't use close to the energy he used to blow up Earth so obviously we also know he isn't going all out, and he mocks Gokou when him and Vegeta are talking, and he uses Gokou's own move against him. Plus he's not exactly being hurt by anything Gokou does to him.
Endless Mike - Gokou said they wouldn't need Potara sure but I wonder if Gokou even felt all of Buu's ki. Because Vegeta watched Gokou and Kid Buu fight so he had to feel Gokou, and Kid Buu's ki yet when he actually fights Kid Buu he's surprised how fast and powerful Kid Buu is after watching them. Seems kind of strange to me. Plus didn't Kid Buu grow stronger than they thought because Vegeta and Gokou both thought they could take him easily and they didn't even power up.
If I recall Kid Buu and SSJ3 Gokou are fighting, Vegeta says it, then they talk about how Gokou was trying to beat Kid Buu but couldn't gather all his energy and that it would take a minute, Vegeta just blasts Buu into tiny bits, Buu reforms, and nearly kills SSJ2 Vegeta in less than a minute, where he says something to the effect 'Kakarot was fighting this the whole time' then Mr. Satan saves him before he gets killed, Kid Buu tries to hit Satan then spits out Fat Buu, and then they fight. Not a panel by panel but...
Kid Buu mocking Gokou before the fight, lets him rest and talk to Vegeta, and mocking them while they do it, not getting hurt, not loosing the least bit of energy while taking on Gokou, then Vegeta, then Fat Buu, and not doing a blast like the one that destroyed Earth is really being serious. Yes, I do think Mystic Gohan could have won.
First he can hold all his power, Gokou can't.
Second Gohan is stronger than Gokou and while Kid Buu is stronger than Gokou I don't think he's stronger than Gohan even if I do think Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Third well there is no third really.
