Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Superman can fly what's that really prove....doesn't mean they can't be thrown into the sun or knocked through the Earth or anything. To bad Gokou's Kamehameha at that point couldn't destroy a planet so no he's not more durable than a planet. And so I guess Planet Destroying blasts > Solar System Destroying blast. If Cell's hype is so real then Gokou could have stopped the Planet Destroying blast. That's why it's pretty much given Cell can't do it since ssj2 Gokou > ssj2 Gohan from Cell Games. Also Majin Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan and he released all his energy at once and just created a large crater that didn't even nearly destroy a planet.

Superman's heat beam has vaporized a asteroid about the size of the moon and he wasn't even going all out. Comparing punches to blasts isn't right. It's been said over and over they have more resistance to blasts than punches. Blunt force hurt them more than ki blasts. There's no way for Gokou to even keep up with Superman either to even attempt to hit him with a planet destroying blast. Gokou hasn't shown the speed to do so even if his blast could hurt Superman. And Gokou can't take punches from somebody physically weaker than Superman. Gokou isn't over a billion tons. He's not even close and even if he was at it he'd still be a couple billion tons weaker and he's hurt from punches from the same strength as he is, who is weaker than Superman and slower than Superman. So there is nothing supporting that Superman won't be able to hurt him. When they create punches that can be felt a few states away then they can compete physically with DOS Superman yet they can't. They only time anything was felt far away was Cell vs Gohan Kamehameha collision and SSJ3 Gokou powering up to ssj3 but Buu vs Gokou punches weren't felt even to Babidi.

Oh I am not saying Goku will not feel Superman Punches, but showing resistance, to Buu blast is not the same as resistance Master Roshi blast, according with the history the power is greater, if you don´t see that, then is denying what the author Toriyama is writing. The blast of Nappa disintegrate it a city was felt in other far places too, Vegeta´s dead whas felt as a shock wave in the air.

Goku SSj3 strenght is unknown, the only thing certain is that SSJ is greater than Kaioken, Goku last Kaoiken power up is 20 times his normal so going from normal to SSJ 1 is more than that, but even so, Superman is more strong, Goku also power up his body cover by ki, and can out put all his power in one fist. You saw that when he kill King Piccolo, when he power up his finger against Trunks.



This is the only time when Goku really wanted to kill, before he kill Piccolo´s Demons, in revenge of Krillin and Roshi. He could do this as SSj 3.

Superman has taken a nuke while incased in kryptonite laced sand that actually destroyed an island not just a blasts that destroyed buildings yet he can be beat down on by Doomsday. He's survived a beam that disintegrated a large chunk around him and Lobo without even feeling it yet he was being hurt by Lobo's punches. Because you can resist a blast doesn't mean you can resist a punch.

I tough this debate will be alturade, this Creshock has tactic is make every body that disagree with him a troll.

You can't debate some thing when you don't know any thing about the opposing side, it just doesn't make sense so why are you doing it? You clearly don't read Superman and know nothing about him except maybe what you read on a forum.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I tough this debate will be alturade, this Creshock has tactic is make every body that disagree with him a troll.

And then saying that the feats you display aren't as impressive as Wolverine or Spiderman's feats.

I have scans of wolverine moving faster than the human eye can detect and spiderman dodging machine guin fire at point blank range. Should I post those and claim them to be better than what Goku can do?

And then when I'm clearly wrong should I continue to post them and ignore the fact that I'm wrong?

We both know what bunk that is... but that's exactly what you're doing. You're posting these feats of Goku and claiming they prove he's able to fight Superman.

It's EXACTLY what you're doing. and that is called trolling.

Post, make look in ridiculous, post Wolverine disintegrating a City, post spiderman recibing bullets in his chest, if you have those scan, they you will make me look like a moron and i will walk away front this thread and this forum.

Originally posted by Magee
You can't debate some thing when you don't know any thing about the opposing side, it just doesn't make sense so why are you doing it? You clearly don't read Superman and know nothing about him except maybe what you read on a forum.

I tell you what, this is not my first forum, and i have being debating Superman vs Goku before, i have seing most of the pictures Supeman fans use in this debate, and i read also some comic, not like you, because you are fans of Sups. but enough to debate the subject.

I'm gonna put my own spin on this figth.

I'd like the Goku fans to explain to me how would he stop Doomsday?

How would Goku defeat a being that evolves into a more powerful opponent fight after fight?

Just because energy projection is planetary level does not mean that strength and speed must be as well.

Same for energy durability versus physical durability. Physically speaking, Superman is millions of times stronger and more durable than the DBZ-verse, while the stronger characters in the DBZ verse may actually be comparable to Superman as far as energy projection and energy durability is concerned.

People seem to fail to understand that one durability is not analogous to another.

"They make blasts that can destroy planets, yet can put each other down with their fists, therefore their fists must be able to destroy planets" is a PRIME example of this faulty reasoning.

We have examples of Goku's strength. He can lift fewer than ten tons in base form. Fourty in Super Saiya-jin. And this is millions of times fewer tons than Superman can lift one handed.

This, vastly inferior strength, is also indicative of the DBZ-verse's vastly inferior physical durability - this (comparatively) poor strength can affect a character in a drastic way.

We also have evidence of their speed. From the beginning of Dragonball to the end of Dragonball Z, fighters can both be seen during fights, and can move fast enough to best the refresh rate of the human eye during fights. That never changes. The best example we have of sheer speed in the entire series, though, is Gotenks circling the earth several times in fewer than thirty minutes. Impressive, but not nearly up to par with Superman.

Energy projection and durability between the top-tier-DBZers and Superman are probably comparable. Physical strength, durability, and speed are VASTLY in Superman's favor.

It isn't hard to see how a single punch from Superman would lay out any of the DBZ-crew. And it isn't hard to see how Superman would, very easily, land that punch considering his vast speed advantage.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm gonna put my own spin on this figth.

I'd like the Goku fans to explain to me how would he stop Doomsday?

He couldn't

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Post, make look in ridiculous, post Wolverine disintegrating a City, post spiderman recibing bullets in his chest, if you have those scan, they you will make me look like a moron and i will walk away front this thread and this forum.

The scans of wolverine and spiderman are NOT more impressive than goku. and that's the point. I simply say they are and then ignore logic and reason just like you're doing with goku and superman.

You're posting scans of Goku that are NOT more impressive than superman. You simply say they are then ignore logic and reason.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
i read also some comic,

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm gonna put my own spin on this figth.

I'd like the Goku fans to explain to me how would he stop Doomsday?

How would Goku defeat a being that evolves into a more powerful opponent fight after fight?

Make sure that words are inappropraitely and randomly all capsed*

They think that a planet busting attack would take out a dude who can grow larger than the universe...

Oh that's another thing phen did with his sock... started off the pyron vs Goku fight with "The guy who gets beaten by capcom guys? Rolleyes/cool depending on account."

Originally posted by Creshosk
*insert some bull about cell then pigeonhole the argument to being nothing more than ridiculous claims that a planet destroying attack would be too much for doomsday throw in the rolleyes smiliy for good measure.

Make sure that words are inappropraitely and randomly all capsed*

They think that a planet busting attack would take out a dude who can grow larger than the universe...

Oh that's another thing phen did with his sock... started off the pyron vs Goku fight with "The guy who gets beaten by capcom guys? Rolleyes/cool depending on account."

Someone update me on what is going on here.

Anyway, my interpretation of the matter is that Superman has a clear advantage, even if we ignore his superior strength, speed, and durability. That's because Goku needs oxygen to breathe and Superman doesn't. All Supes has to do is fly into space and Goku can't touch him. Sure, he could fire a few blasts at him, but with so much room to maneuver and so much distance between them, also the fact that Superman doesn't have DBZ ki so actually detecting him when he's in space would be practically impossible, the chances he'll get hit are virtually nil. Meanwhile he can sundip, punch the earth to pieces, or use his heat vision and burn the atmosphere off the planet.

The standard response would of couse be "Goku ITs to another planet", but (assuming he can locate a ki signature and lock onto it before his lungs fill with million - degree plasma) he would lose anyway via forfeit (running away).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Someone update me on what is going on here.

Anyway, my interpretation of the matter is that Superman has a clear advantage, even if we ignore his superior strength, speed, and durability. That's because Goku needs oxygen to breathe and Superman doesn't. All Supes has to do is fly into space and Goku can't touch him. Sure, he could fire a few blasts at him, but with so much room to maneuver and so much distance between them, also the fact that Superman doesn't have DBZ ki so actually detecting him when he's in space would be practically impossible, the chances he'll get hit are virtually nil. Meanwhile he can sundip, punch the earth to pieces, or use his heat vision and burn the atmosphere off the planet.

The standard response would of couse be "Goku ITs to another planet", but (assuming he can locate a ki signature and lock onto it before his lungs fill with million - degree plasma) he would lose anyway via forfeit (running away).

Even if Goku IT's I could argue superman is as fast as it.
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sspeedwg5.jpg

He's talking to them from the watchtower, then he's in front of them, instantly

And how is energy resistance and physical resistance different, I'm confused on that subject.

Asbestos versus wood. Asbestos has an amazing ability to withstand heat (thermal energy) but slash it with a knife( a physical attack and the and it will be cut. On the other hand wood will only be scratched by the knife, but if heated it'll become ash.

The game city of heroes has this. Where there multiple types of damage and corresponding resistances.

Also, I would like to add Goku in base form can lift more than eight tons, he was easily lifting 2 tons on each limb.

Yes he struggled to lift 40 tons. Which isn't even a trillionth of Superman strength. Even if he gets the dubious powerup of 50 times with each transformation he'll never reach Superman.

I'm gonna put my own spin on this figth.
I'd like the Goku fans to explain to me how would he stop Doomsday?
How would Goku defeat a being that evolves into a more powerful opponent fight after fight?

Well, this kind of debates always reach a point in what one never will convince other, but this is my opinion, the Superman vs Goku threads always is focus in Solar system destruction (which I believe Cell is make by Toriyama with that power, but I can not prove because he has not chance to show it for the sake of the history) and not in the capacity that the z has to disintegrate, and some Superman fans ignore Goku does this Since DB not Z, like here Disintegrating a robot head in Red ribbon Army saga. Before Karin Training, second tournament, etc.




In page 2 of this thread I post Cell attack by a human army DB, and Cell don´t feel the attack, but Goku SSJ 1 desintegrate his head, only that Cell regenerate. But Gohan being one level powerful than his father disintegrate him until his last Cell.
Here comes the point of controversy, how powerful is Goku SSJ3 compare to SSJ2, and SSJ 2 compare to the one that fought Cell? And Goku Going to Train with Ubb comparing with the one who fought Buu? Superman supporters and Goku Supporters always find a point of controversy here. taking the Freeza Saga for reference, Goku from his normal 20 Kaioken and Freeza state he was only using the half of his power, so for Goku to reach 100 % is between 40 and 50 times Kaioken, that is what SSJ is, a better way of power up, triggered by rage, without damage his body as a high Kaio ken does.
Considering this, is acceptable to say that the other SSJ transformations follow the same pattern? Endless Mike say is not consistency, but saying that is ignoring the whole DB z argument, at more training, more Strong the character, his power of disintegration is higher, I recognize plot holes in the history, but, like I said, Doomsday and Superman were fighting in front of metropolis with people watching, some plot are make to make the history interesting. Like Buu taking time so vegita and Goku fuse. Or comic relief Mr Satan, or Superman hit by Batman.

Goku SSJ 3 will disintegrate Doomsday in my opinion as he is 2 levels more than when he disintegrate someone like Cell who resist bombs tanks, planes attacks like a breeze, but was disintegrated in parts by Goku and Vegeta. Check page 2.

Goku and Superman always will be a topic of discussion until they make a official crossover, which never going to happen.
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Enough with the "Cell could destroy the Solar System" crap.

Do you honestly think this:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3444/cellsolarsystembluff6qx1.gif

Was a solar - system destroying attack?

Clinging religiously to dialogue when it clearly contradicted by the actual events of the manga is a clear sign of fanboyism.