Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Vvendeta
You are not debating, debate the points i make, prove me wrong,

Originally posted by Vvendeta
show me that one Superman Punch has the Force of Roshi maximum Kamehame ha, then you will find out if i know enough about Superman.

Unlike you I read both the DBZ manga, as well as Superman. So I actually know what the hell I'm talking about. You however were asked to come debate for goku by someone. And neither of you reads superman. but you desperatly want Goku to win.

You ignore logic to make sure the one you want to win, wins, even though logically he doesn't.

Why? Concrete evidece.
Why not? Speculation is inadmissible as proof.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
The issue when superman is bitten is called "four hoursemen".

And black panther 34 is called "Gangsta lean" Guess I read the issue that hasn't been released yet, huh? I know the title and I know the plot. Next you're going to tell me more information that can be found in a solicit aren't you?

Your desperation is evident in the fact that you still throw out information that can easily be found in a solicit. sly

Save your breath, you've been found out, you don't read Superman. 😆

Jimmy olsen got powers and Superman was bitten by a zombie and bleed, check the last months issues.

Are you basing your entire superman knowledge off message board hearsay? It was was Pestilence of the four horseman of the apocalyse who bit Superman. Not a zombie.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Are you basing your entire superman knowledge off message board hearsay? It was was Pestilence of the four horseman of the apocalyse who bit Superman. Not a zombie.

You are not making points concerning the debate, you want to eliminate competence by presuming your knowledge of superman, make your points. i don´t have to answer you if you don´t want to debate. you are asuming i will ignore them, when you don´t know me.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Are you basing your entire superman knowledge off message board hearsay? It was was Pestilence of the four horseman of the apocalyse who bit Superman. Not a zombie.

I said i know enough for debate this Subject, My knowledge is greater in DB and DBZ, Manga and Scans, for that i know That Goku is a match for superman.

Like for example Goku kid has been hanging around with characters that have Superman basic feats since he is a Kid

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I said i know enough for debate this Subject, My knowledge is greater in DB and DBZ, Manga and Scans, for that i know That Goku is a match for superman.

You're basing all your information about him on what you read on message boards.

Fact is he's taken more energy damage than Goku has shown to be able to put out. More physical ddamage than Goku's been able to put out and has moved faster than Goku has been shown to be able to move. He doesn't rely on Ki so can't be sensed when Superman does vibrate himself invisible.

He's physically stronger, he still has an impressive energy output, Scientists can measure the heat of stars, they can't measure the heat of his heat vision. The physics of his world might not allow for a core breach self destruct the same way it works in DBZ... but that's due to the way the planets work in the respective realities.

Phenomenol once tried to argue that Ki was light. so if you want to argue speculation yellow light is given off from the sun so for all we know Ki blasts might power super man up. Do I have anything concrete to base this off of other than pure speculation? Not really. But alot of what is being stated about goku is also just that: Pure speculation. Nothing concrete. We have no verification of how much if at all stronger Goku got from the end of the Buu fight to the End of Z... pure speculation. we have nothing concrete to show what his rate of increase is after they stop announcing the power levels every so often.

Also non-canon evidence is also not admissible. Only feats and events from the manga since that's original source. So you have nothing to really validate your claims.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Like for example Goku kid has been hanging around with characters that have Superman basic feats since he is a Kid

You can't call them that if you don't know what they are... Yeah he's bullet proof, so what? he's also shown a high resistence to energy based damage, like when he took the suneater in back '91. Or even when he took the mageddon warhead which is greater than anything concrete we've seen in the manga.

Posts like this are completely meaningless. So all you're really doing is spamming the thread with scans that prove nothing.

Superman's been bulletproof since he was an infant too... so what?

I said i know enough for debate this Subject, My knowledge is greater in DB and DBZ, Manga and Scans, for that i know That Goku is a match for superman.

Thanks for confiming you know nothing about Superman. I know an ample amount about both sides, which is why I'm debating.

I have no idea why the members of what is now a dying fandom keep feeling the need for Goku to be the most powerful fictional character ever. He's not even in the the top 10 most powerful anime characters. I doubt he's in the top 50.

You are not making points concerning the debate, you want to eliminate competence by presuming your knowledge of superman, make your points. i don´t have to answer you if you don´t want to debate. you are asuming i will ignore them, when you don´t know me.

Fine I'll argue:

1) Prove Goku has even half of Superman's stength. Has goku shattered moons, punched someone across the solar system or alterred reality with his strength? Hitting people who throw big blasts at each is not an argument for this. There's ample evidence that their Ki resistance is far above their physical resitance.

2. Prove that Goku can exceed Superman's invunerablity without using low showings from the byrne era. What's the biggest blast Goku's made? Superman's taken multiple super novas.

Superman is more strong, even not knowing the Strenght of SSJ 3, lack of feats give that of superman, but blast desintegrate in his ratio, Blast from Piccolo Desintegrate an Island In DB and Goku don´t feel it, this power kind of Power Goku resited from Freeza, and From Buu, no punch of Superman has that, not that i am seing, if you show me ill admit it and we can close the thread, if is a exageration or metaphor like Superman Rock the solar Sistem i will debate it.

Galvaclaw, i was refering to Creshock when he is not making points, not you.

Stop spamming the thread.

Is not spawming, i am proving my point. you are spawming because don´t debate and don´t make any point.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Is not spawming, i am proving my point. you are spawming because don´t debate and don´t make any point.

Is rrelevant to the thread, prove the resistance and durability of Goku from a punch of Superman, report me if you want.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Is rrelevant to the thread, prove the resistance and durability of Goku from a punch of Superman, report me if you want.

or are you going to use it to mention more speculation?

I'd think a much later feat of him taking an energy blast would prove better than.

"That was goku then, he's gotten better since then" bullshit arguments of speculation.

This is what we mean by you don't know enough, you think these low level feats prove something. They don't. I could post a picture of pre-crises superman screwing up a math equation... but to what end? it doesn't prove anything.

Simples punches of Superman are less than disintegration.

I post goku resisting Freza too.

Dragonball is lineal history. Superman is not, is many Earths, many version of superman and diferent writers. you show no intelligence, ill respond to better debaters like Kento.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Simples punches of Superman are less than disintegration.

I post goku resisting Freza too.

Dragonball is lineal history. Superman is not, is many Earths, many version of superman and diferent writers. you show no intelligence, ill respond to better debaters like Kento.

Physical punches are not the same as energy based attacks. THIS is what I meant. there's no point in debating with trolls like you. you ignore the given arguments. and now with your inability to debaste with me you attempt to brush me of and say I have no intelligence.

You're reported for trolling.

Originally posted by gokuvssuperman
The Z fighters are not as durable as Superman.. So it would be like hitting a steal wall and a pillow.. Plus they are floating on ki... which is how they fly. So what happens to someone when you push them when they are floating on water?
Radiz could withstand a low power attack that could destroy the moon.. He could stop Goku Kamehameha with 1 hand.. Is he not more durable then a planet? why? So why would Cell Kamehameha effect goku who has train for 10 years + ssj2 and ssj3 transformations....

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I know they are 2 different battles, I am proving some exaggerations in the claims, you can see how “Mr. only Superman fans have logic” start his Superman respect thread, about Cell, his blast will disintegrate more than Roshi´s.

I want to say that Goku resisted this kind of Blast since he is a kid, So Superman Punches, will affect Him, as I recognize the strength of Superman, But resisting disintegration is greater than pure strength. Goku can fight Superman and resist his stronger punches, Goku will resist the Blast of Roshi,See my pict Goku resisting Freeza Blast in page 2. The Blast power have nothing to do with size of planets, or Solar systems, Goku new that the explosion of the blast of Buu will pulverize the planet, he have to escape, as he was thinking in the others too.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Superman is more strong, even not knowing the Strenght of SSJ 3, lack of feats give that of superman, but blast desintegrate in his ratio, Blast from Piccolo Desintegrate an Island In DB and Goku don´t feel it, this power kind of Power Goku resited from Freeza, and From Buu, no punch of Superman has that, not that i am seing, if you show me ill admit it and we can close the thread, if is a exageration or metaphor like Superman Rock the solar Sistem i will debate it.

Galvaclaw, i was refering to Creshock when he is not making points, not you.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Simples punches of Superman are less than disintegration.

I post goku resisting Freza too.

Dragonball is lineal history. Superman is not, is many Earths, many version of superman and diferent writers. you show no intelligence, ill respond to better debaters like Kento.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You say I show no intelligence when you're the one debating a subject you don't know enough about.

Physical punches are not the same as energy based attacks. THIS is what I meant. there's no point in debating with trolls like you. you ignore the given arguments. and now with your inability to debaste with me you attempt to brush me of and say I have no intelligence.

You're reported for trolling.