Originally posted by Galvaclawf superman was able to fire it though (and it to travel a head of him) then wouldnt that mean superman was running slower than the beam thus slower than light?
Flash was out running heat vision at the time. Heat vision while having a fair number of faster than light feats should be light speed due to its nature as a beam of heat.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Yes, while chasing Flash it would mean Superman was going slower than light. But it also means that Superman could fly light speed on Earth without doing anything because he was nearly there.
f superman was able to fire it though (and it to travel a head of him) then wouldnt that mean superman was running slower than the beam thus slower than light?
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Gokou won't have time to even use IT to dodge. It's not exactly one of the fastest moves to pull off at all. Even more so when he has to lock onto a ki to IT, and Superman's would be moving to fast, and would be to low to do it like he did against Kid Buu or Cell who have larger ki and were stationary.
gokus IT is instant he could react and dodge if needed....I think superman would win but goku is being underestimated heavily
Yes, while chasing Flash it would mean Superman was going slower than light. But it also means that Superman could fly light speed on Earth without doing anything because he was nearly there.
I know that I was refering to people saying that it proved he could fight (punch,kick, etc.) at light speed (his fights where moved at light speed consisted of him accelerating that speed to crash into someone or using that speed to carry somone
Gokou won't have time to even use IT to dodge. It's not exactly one of the fastest moves to pull off at all. Even more so when he has to lock onto a ki to IT, and Superman's would be moving to fast, and would be to low to do it like he did against Kid Buu or Cell who have larger ki and were stationary.
well he has time to do it before beams of light can hit him so it means his reaction speed is very fast (fast enough to dodge superman) and supermans ki signature is the same as a regular persons if goku can lock onto roshis he can lock onto supermans, plus it was never stated in the manga he cant lock onto a ki signature if it was normal (near death is understandable however) and also does it ever state he needs the ki signature to be stationary and large? all it says is he needs to lock onto it and he's done it before (and hasnt he used it in fights before short distances
f superman was able to fire it though (and it to travel a head of him) then wouldnt that mean superman was running slower than the beam thus slower than light?
No the physics of light being emitted by an object moving at the speed of light are very complicated. It's a stream of photons so it has to move forward at the speed of light relative to the source.
Usually when a projectile leaves an object moving in the same direction as it the speeds would be added. However here light is an absolute so both Superman and the beam are travelling at the speed of light despite the beam being able to travel a head of him.
Or if we ignore physics. Superman was just below light and Flash was just above it.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678And those beams don't travel light speed at all. And he's done it like once when a blast was coming at him and it was Buu's. And Roshi's still a lot higher than Superman's. Also it took a while for it to happen when he did. I never said he needed it to be stationary or large. I just said Superman won't be like all the people he used it on. Stationary and with large ki, compared to humans anyway. He's used it in two fight, once against Cell after he got done charging a long time for a Kamehameha, and once when Kid Buu's blast came at him because he couldn't dodge it. And it's always been he needed a ki source to lock onto. That's why he went to King Kai's planet with Cell, it was the easiest one he could find because he knew where to look. It's also why Kaioshin needed to come down and save Gokou, Vegeta, Dende, and Satan from Buu's blast. Gokou couldn't lock on fast enough.
well he has time to do it before beams of light can hit him so it means his reaction speed is very fast (fast enough to dodge superman) and supermans ki signature is the same as a regular persons if goku can lock onto roshis he can lock onto supermans, plus it was never stated in the manga he cant lock onto a ki signature if it was normal (near death is understandable however) and also does it ever state he needs the ki signature to be stationary and large? all it says is he needs to lock onto it and he's done it before (and hasnt he used it in fights before short distances
Originally posted by Kentoyo ucant use the "he used it once or twice arguement" as in his series goku hasnt had that many fights 1 or 2 out of ten means he ca nstill do it similar how superman doesnt use super speed combat in all of his fights but he still can, and and what proof is there that suggests that gokus beam attacks are slower than light (onot saying they are but you amke it out as if theyre extremely slow)
And those beams don't travel light speed at all. And he's done it like once when a blast was coming at him and it was Buu's. And Roshi's still a lot higher than Superman's. Also it took a while for it to happen when he did. I never said he needed it to be stationary or large. I just said Superman won't be like all the people he used it on. Stationary and with large ki, compared to humans anyway. He's used it in two fight, once against Cell after he got done charging a long time for a Kamehameha, and once when Kid Buu's blast came at him because he couldn't dodge it. And it's always been he needed a ki source to lock onto. That's why he went to King Kai's planet with Cell, it was the easiest one he could find because he knew where to look. It's also why Kaioshin needed to come down and save Gokou, Vegeta, Dende, and Satan from Buu's blast. Gokou couldn't lock on fast enough.
also the comic doesnt state he couldnt lock on fast enough, I would say it was more of shock and he didnt have enough time to make all of the descisions he has a couple of seconds to escape and his children are lying unconsious on one side while hercule and dende are elsewhere, not to mention supermans has had feats that show his reaction speed to be slower than sound (but we know better than that) I see that feat as more of a low showing as he has used IT to dodge people moving as well (didnt he use it to dodge super buu who was coming right at him)
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
No the physics of light being emitted by an object moving at the speed of light are very complicated. It's a stream of photons so it has to move forward at the speed of light relative to the source.Usually when a projectile leaves an object moving in the same direction as it the speeds would be added. However here light is an absolute so both Superman and the beam are travelling at the speed of light despite the beam being able to travel a head of him.
Or if we ignore physics. Superman was just below light and Flash was just above it.
...since no one has ever travelled the speed of light how do we know this?
if anything he wouldnt be able to fire laser vision at all as h ewould be moving at light speed...how would light move faster than light speed?
...since no one has ever travelled the speed of light how do we know this?if anything he wouldnt be able to fire laser vision at all as he would be moving at light speed...how would light move faster than light speed?
It's still moving at lightspeed away from Superman's eyes just happens that Superman is travelling at light speed too. You fire a bullet travelling at mach 1 on a plane going at mach 2 and the plane won't overtake it.
Here's a quote I tracked down:
At relativistic velocities, you can't just add speeds like you can at everyday speeds.
This is because strange things happen to both distance and time at relativistic speeds, so speeds, and how you add them, get decidedly strange.This is why a beam of light from a spaceship moving at .99C will be seen as moving at C by all observers. Nobody will see it moving at 1.99C.
This all based of Einsteins special theory of relativity. It's not something you can deny.
Originally from wikipedia
Although it is constant in inertial frames of reference in special relativity, the speed of light can vary based on its position for accelerated frames of reference in special relativity and in general relativity. Before heading into this discussion, it must first be noted that in all cases the speed of light locally remains c in these cases. So when an observer measures the speed of light at his own position, the constancy of its speed holds. The issue arises at positions distant from the observer in these situations.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Did you even read what I wrote or what it was in reference to or are you trying to compete with saiya-jin for most deluded DBZ fanboy in the thread?
..actually he was right most of those high speed moves superman does are just throws and maybe one punch, superman doesnt fight at light speed though, with darkseid if you actually look at the panel superman carries him to the sun and darkseid and him began to fight once they reach the sun (that was supermans plan)with wonder woman on panel only suggests he punched wonderwoman to the sun and back not fighting the entire way he can however travel at light speed (also when he was running where did it state he was light speed)
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678How is saying they aren't light speed saying they're slow? The fact that the ki balls that are fired are seen by people, and the fact that a full powered blast by Trunks had enough time for people to gasp that it was coming straight towards them in the tournament before he moved it up has some proof. There has been twice that the blasts have seemed faster than light, when Roshi and Piccolo blew up the moon, yet most of the time they are seen by normal people just like the Z fighters when they fight. Never said they were slow but there isn't nothing to suggest they are light speed. Not to mention Buu's blast, everybody had time to talk and panic, and Kaioshin had time to decide to go down and get them before it ever got to Earth after Buu released it.
yo ucant use the "he used it once or twice arguement" as in his series goku hasnt had that many fights 1 or 2 out of ten means he ca nstill do it similar how superman doesnt use super speed combat in all of his fights but he still can, and and what proof is there that suggests that gokus beam attacks are slower than light (onot saying they are but you amke it out as if theyre extremely slow)also the comic doesnt state he couldnt lock on fast enough, I would say it was more of shock and he didnt have enough time to make all of the descisions he has a couple of seconds to escape and his children are lying unconsious on one side while hercule and dende are elsewhere, not to mention supermans has had feats that show his reaction speed to be slower than sound (but we know better than that) I see that feat as more of a low showing as he has used IT to dodge people moving as well (didnt he use it to dodge super buu who was coming right at him)
Everytime Gokou has used IT he always appears right next to a person. And also everybody he's used it to get to quickly always had large ki source. Roshi took a while to find, King Kai he went because he didn't have time to search for another Ki to lock onto and IT there, Tien, and Piccolo have large ki, Vegeta, Cell, and Kid Buu also. Gokou even says he needs a ki source to lock onto for it when he shows them the first time. That's where his and Kibito's teleporting differ greatly. Kibito can go anywhere while Gokou has to have ki. That's also why Kaioshin was able to get there so fast, and get them all out while Gokou had to search for a ki source off of Earth to find. Gokou even realized he didn't have time to get to his son and was trying to IT away when Kaioshin appeared.
When he dodged Super Buu he had just felt Vegeta so he didn't exactly have to search for a ki either, and Super Buu wasn't right at him nor is Super Buu as fast as Superman. There is also the fact there won't be anybody around for Gokou to IT to. He did the same thing against Cell I believe. Cell went to punch him but he teleported to Piccolo..or maybe Tien I don't remember. But he already was feeling their ki, it's why he went down there to begin with.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If you don't understand the simple concept that flying FTL while fighting = FTL fighting, I don't know what to say.
that the thing though he wasnt fighting while at light speed most of it was him picking someone up and carrying them at light speed or smashing into them at light speed, but theyre isnt proof that he can move his limbs as fast as his top flight speed
Originally posted by Kento
How is saying they aren't light speed saying they're slow? The fact that the ki balls that are fired are seen by people, and the fact that a full powered blast by Trunks had enough time for people to gasp that it was coming straight towards them in the tournament before he moved it up has some proof. There has been twice that the blasts have seemed faster than light, when Roshi and Piccolo blew up the moon, yet most of the time they are seen by normal people just like the Z fighters when they fight. Never said they were slow but there isn't nothing to suggest they are light speed. Not to mention Buu's blast, everybody had time to talk and panic, and Kaioshin had time to decide to go down and get them before it ever got to Earth after Buu released it.Everytime Gokou has used IT he always appears right next to a person. And also everybody he's used it to get to quickly always had large ki source. Roshi took a while to find, King Kai he went because he didn't have time to search for another Ki to lock onto and IT there, Tien, and Piccolo have large ki, Vegeta, Cell, and Kid Buu also. Gokou even says he needs a ki source to lock onto for it when he shows them the first time. That's where his and Kibito's teleporting differ greatly. Kibito can go anywhere while Gokou has to have ki. That's also why Kaioshin was able to get there so fast, and get them all out while Gokou had to search for a ki source off of Earth to find. Gokou even realized he didn't have time to get to his son and was trying to IT away when Kaioshin appeared.
When he dodged Super Buu he had just felt Vegeta so he didn't exactly have to search for a ki either, and Super Buu wasn't right at him nor is Super Buu as fast as Superman. There is also the fact there won't be anybody around for Gokou to IT to. He did the same thing against Cell I believe. Cell went to punch him but he teleported to Piccolo..or maybe Tien I don't remember. But he already was feeling their ki, it's why he went down there to begin with.
oh ok that makes sense about the blasts, none the less though there have been a couple of times when the ydid trave lfast enough, it would seem beams travel faster than blasts (which makes sense)
well everone has their own unique ki signature if he was fighting with superman (and we assume this is an arena thee wont be anyone else around) superman ki signature however small would still be existant and able to be traced.
as for that supermans reflexes arent exactly fast enough to counter an attack by goku if he its right next to him (I've seen multiple issues where superman failed to dodge things moving as fast as a bullet, most of the time its because he doesn't think he can be hurt so he fails to react)
Originally posted by Creshosk...I'm beginning to think you're ignorant, if you had read MY post you wouldve already read I believe that superman would win but goku is being underestimated, calling everyone who sides against you isn't only annoying it's idiotic
Did you even read what I wrote or what it was in reference to or are you trying to compete with saiya-jin for most deluded DBZ fanboy in the thread?