Endless Mike
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Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...I'm nt ignoring the evidence the scan doesn't show them fighting to the sun I believe it simply shows wonder woman hit from the earth then hit back (and wonder woman wwasnt putting up a fight at at all in the entire battle)
Then read it again. They were fighting each other the whole time.
isn't ki a life force? spiritual energy?
It's not the same for every universe. Humans in DC can't train and get DBZ powers.
yeah but theres also a scan where he couldnt reach her and time and she caught her after shed been shot,
Considering that she's alive and unharmed, that must not have been canon (or an illusion or some such thing)
also (just a question) does bloodlust mean the character are fighting simply to kill and not themselves?
It means they are fighting at their full capacity with intent to kill.
goku can at least move above the speed of sound most of supermans enemies didnt have super sppeed and they were able to pull off moves, especially one where it takes him miliseconds for his finger to touch his head.
You got milliseconds from where, again? Show your math.
Actually the beams should be easier to see than the ki balls since they are connected to the person. I'd also think the beams would travel slower. Not sure why I've always pictured it that way. Maybe because of the rapid firing of ki balls.
movement, still not above light (I know he can travel, I dont know baou fight
He's reacted at FTL speed multiple times. Stop ignoring the evidence.
doesn't one of the scans have gokus travel speed at light speed?
No, unless you're talking about that photoshopped one.
and gotenks was just showing off, I dont believe he was going at his top speed (but it did create streaks across the world like weh nsuperman went to save lois after she'd been shot, would those streaks of light illustrate the breaking of the light barrier?)
Um, no.... that has no basics in physics whatsoever.
Those were ki trails. You know, the things that everyone in DBZ leaves behind when they are flying?
Haven't goku sent cooler from the earth to the sun in less then 30 seconds?
Not canon.
Is or isn't true that superman's power comes from our red sun?
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Yet super perfect cell had the power to not only blow the sun also the entire solar system.
Or so he claimed. Considering his attack only made a small crater in the ground, it's pretty obvious he was bluffing. Not to mention Superman has taken actual solar system and even galaxy destroying attacks and survived.
Or, and by the way, ssj4 actually beat a guy hotter then sun himself (Nova Sheron)?
Common plasma torches are "hotter than the sun". It's irrelevant since they don't have as much energy.
Not to mention GT is non - canon.
I am not saying that goku will beat super-man, neither the other way around. Just rised this questions in order to make people think a bit.
Then you should have done some research first.
I know what canon is, you don't need to tell me. But i also though anime was included in this discussion.
The anime is simply an adaptation of the canon manga (original source). The movies are even less canon as they don't fit into the timeline at all.
Ok, yellow, whatever, pointless, the fundamental is, his power comes from our sun. And yes, cell HAS the power to blast the sun. Have you any proof that says otherwise and this was stated?
If you really think this could destroy the sun, you're delusional
Not to mention Cell is known to bluff and overrate himself.
besides, i don't even see what's the big deal about it, if master kame and piccolo by the begining of DBZ can blast the moon or vegeta in the sayan saga could blast the earth, i don't know what's the big deal about someone thousands and thousands times stronger to be able to blast the sun.
First of all, you have no evidence that they are "thousands of times stronger".
Second of all, Vegeta didn't destroy the earth in the Saiyan saga. He just claimed he could (and he was completely freaking out at the time and not exactly in his right mind).
Third of all, you have no idea of the energies involved in this.
Destroying the sun would take approximately a billion times as much power as destroying the earth. Destroying the entire solar system would take so much more power that I'd have to express it in scientific notation.
Go look up Gravitational Binding Energy and the Inverse - Square Law.
You and canon. FINE, whatever, I will use only manga in this discussion. But my point here is, nobody said in the begining that GT wasn't included... Because ssj4 goku is something really comiscally powerful.
Um, no he's not. He has hardly any impressive feats at all.
Actually, yeah. Did you know that Toryama himself, through the Dainzenshu, stated that ssj goku and frieza were already over 100 millions when they fought? In fact, this isn't much hard to understand if we see that freeza 1 was at 530 000, freeza 2 over 1 million (both stated) and yet base goku was even with freeza 4 (with 2 extra transformations) and after using kaioken20x (multiplies his power by a factor of 20) and kamehame he couldn't kill a freeza using 50% of his power
Power levels are not consistent and meaningless for extrapolation and cross - universe comparisons. Based on Roshi's PL and destroying the moon, the farmer that Raditz killed (who had a PL of 5) would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal.
Anyway, yeah, in fact if you actually talk with some of the best DBZ experts around (in decent forums) you will see that according to this the escalation of power, cell was already in the billions
Appeal to (anonymous) authority fallacy. No power levels were ever stated after the Frieza saga (except Trunks having a PL of 5 when he was suppressing his power).
(note that piccolo was 329 when blasted a moon with a regular blast, and kame blasted the moon with probably less power seing that he was 139 by the begining of DBZ)
Note that it takes 1800 times more energy to destroy the earth tha the moon, and a billion times more energy to destroy the sun.
Ah, another thing, these are comics, so even if cell wasn't this widely stronger it wouldn't matter because the comics create an alternative reality, and in this one cell has enough energy to blow the entire solar system. Yet, it actually follows common sense.
....what?
So? What's the point here besides the fact that kid boo had enough power to blow the earth?
The point is that Goku and Vegeta (who were both stronger than Cell at that time) could have easily blocked his blast if Cell had been that powerful (but they couldn't).
The point here is, it was stated and nothing proves otherwise.
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No one in DBZ ever demonstrated that kind of power. It's a hyperbole statement.
Besides, were talking about a guy whose power was on the level from a ssj2 gohan, which was MUCH stronger then anything we saw before by the cell games (see how ssj goku surpass by miles anything we see before too).
Unless you can quantify how much stronger, that means nothing.
I am not downplaying super-man or something, I am just saying that if super-man's power comes from the sun and if goku has enough energy to blast the sun, then maybe goku has more energy then super-man.
First of all, it's Superman. Spider-man has a hyphen, Superman doesn't.
Second of all, no one in DBZ ever destroyed a sun.
Third of all, Superman has done things that required way more power than the entire sun has. Considering that only a tiny amount of the sun's energy can hit his body at any one time, it's pretty obvious that his powers don't work by simple electromagnetic conversion.
So? I think you are confusing realities. In dragon ball reality, even though characters can blast the hell of a planet, they can still be hurt by trivial stuff like throwing a rock on his head.
So you just accept this absurdity and don't try to rationalize it? Non - scientific mindset unsuited for debate.
By the way, weren't we suppose to stop using non-canon?
You brought it up.
