Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Irrelevant. The point was that he has not show the durability to withstand one.

Of course they have the durability to withstand one, in DB master roshi even has the power to blow up the moon with a blast, later in dbz everyone is about a million times stronger and they take blasts from each other all the time. ssj Trunks held Freeza's death ball in his bare hand like it was nothing, Freeza took the spirit bomb, vegeta took the spirit bomb, etc.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Of course they have the durability to withstand one, in DB master roshi even has the power to blow up the moon with a blast, later in dbz everyone is about a million times stronger and they take blasts from each other all the time. ssj Trunks held Freeza's death ball in his bare hand like it was nothing, Freeza took the spirit bomb, vegeta took the spirit bomb, etc.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I answer to this, what you are saying here, or implying here is that they take long time because there is “supposed to be a good length of time between them (panel)” And I answer to this saying that is not true, the only time is supposed to be a long amount of time is when Goku was making time for Trunks.

Check this:
YouTube video
You will see gohan grouting and taking one minute until he is transform, now check the manga

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Of course they have the durability to withstand one,

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Of course they have the durability to withstand one, in DB master roshi even has the power to blow up the moon with a blast, later in dbz everyone is about a million times stronger and they take blasts from each other all the time. ssj Trunks held Freeza's death ball in his bare hand like it was nothing, Freeza took the spirit bomb, vegeta took the spirit bomb, etc.

They took blasts from each other, but none of them were planet destroying since the Earth was still there. The Spirit bomb never destroyed a planet, it only created a crater. Goku has only been hit with a planet destroying attack once, and it killed him. When ever he's shown be faced with a planet destroying attack, he counters with a Kamehameha.

You make it seem like they toss around planet destroying attacks all the time, when clearly they don't. The only time we see them use planetary blasts is when they use one of their special attacks (Kamehameha, Death Ball, or Final Flash) that requires alot of ki to be charged. Goku in all of his fights were hurt by lesser ki blasts that couldn't destroy the planet and badly bruised by physical attacks (inferior to Superman's). Gohan arm was injured by one of Cells energy blasts, and it wasn't planet destruction either.

Supes flies right through energy blasts often, it really doesn't work against him in fights. He was tossed into a red sun three times, one even being covered in K-nite; being tossed in a red sun far exceeds any attack Goku can bring. Superman survived a supernova (twice, one even had red radiation) and a double black hole. those small ki blasts that Goku be tossing won't cut it, his Kamehameha won't be enough either, Supes will either take the blasts, dodge them or just stop Goku in the process since it takes time to throw the blast.

Goku has no way of winning. He can't take any of Supes punches or kicks because he's not durable enough, and he's physically not strong enough to harm Superman. He can't block or dodge Supes Heat Vision either, which is hotter than stars and was able to stop much more powerful opponents than Goku, this isn't some ki blast. He could Freeze Goku and break him or vaporize him with HV.

And Supes highten senses gives him a huge advantage. Goku rely's on ki sensing to locate his enemy, but Supes powers doesn't come from Ki, so Goku won't be able to sense him. Supes however, can fly in space, use telescope Vision, and then blast him with HV or fly across the planet and telescope vision and super hearing to locate Goku's position and then use HV.

Supes has to many ways to win, while Goku has none.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Prove it. Provide the evidence to back such a claim. Show them withstanding one.

🙄 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLsK23XS_xY

Trunks grabbing Freeza's death ball which he uses specifically to destroy planets.

Originally posted by dvampire
They took blasts from each other, but none of them were planet destroying since the Earth was still there. The Spirit bomb never destroyed a planet, it only created a crater. Goku has only been hit with a planet destroying attack once, and it killed him. When ever he's shown be faced with a planet destroying attack, he counters with a Kamehameha.

You make it seem like they toss around planet destroying attacks all the time, when clearly they don't.

Far weaker characters early on in db and dbz show they can blow up planets, do you really think Master Roshi in dragonball has any blast that is more powerful than someone like Cell's? You think the blasts that Cell hurt Goku with are weaker than what Roshi used on the moon? Do you think Roshi could kill a ssj3 Goku?

As far as the earth still being there, Freeza was one of the only characters who could live in outerspace so I doubt the other fighers would let their attacks blow up the planet they were fighting on. When Vegeta used his final flash on Cell they all thought he lost it and was going to let his final flash destroy earth but he ended up controlling it, its likely that they all control their energy so they don't destroy the planet. That could also be why when they power up they shake the earth one second and the next are just glowing.

Or it could be that when someone in dbz wants to blow up a planet they usually send their attack into the earth itself and then it explodes, but when they are fighting their attacks blow up on the surface or over the planet.

Or it could be just another dumbass dbz loophole

Originally posted by TheBadguy
🙄 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLsK23XS_xY

Trunks grabbing Freeza's death ball which he uses specifically to destroy planets.

Try again.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Common sense helps here,

Something tells me it ain't common sense that says that the death ball is a black hole.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
far weaker characters early on in db and dbz show they can blow up planets, do you really think Master Roshi in dragonball has any blast that is more powerful than someone like Cell's? You think the blasts that Cell hurt Goku with are weaker than what Roshi used on the moon? Do you think Roshi could kill a ssj3 Goku?

Yeah, I'm going to go with no.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
As far as the earth still being there, Freeza was one of the only characters who could live in outerspace so I doubt the other fighers would let their attacks blow up the planet they were fighting on. When Vegeta used his final flash on Cell they all thought he lost it and was going to let his final flash destroy earth but he ended up controlling it, its likely that they all control their energy so they don't destroy the planet. That could also be why when they power up they shake the earth one second and the next are just glowing.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Or it could be that when someone in dbz wants to blow up a planet they usually send their attack into the earth itself and then it explodes, but when they are fighting their attacks blow up on the surface or over the planet.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Or it could be just another dumbass dbz loophole

Originally posted by TheBadguy
🙄 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLsK23XS_xY

Trunks grabbing Freeza's death ball which he uses specifically to destroy planets.

Common sense helps here, far weaker characters early on in db and dbz show they can blow up planets, do you really think Master Roshi in dragonball has any blast that is more powerful than someone like Cell's? You think the blasts that Cell hurt Goku with are weaker than what Roshi used on the moon? Do you think Roshi could kill a ssj3 Goku?

As far as the earth still being there, Freeza was one of the only characters who could live in outerspace so I doubt the other fighers would let their attacks blow up the planet they were fighting on. When Vegeta used his final flash on Cell they all thought he lost it and was going to let his final flash destroy earth but he ended up controlling it, its likely that they all control their energy so they don't destroy the planet. That could also be why when they power up they shake the earth one second and the next are just glowing.

Or it could be just another dumbass dbz loophole

Trunks grabbing Freeza's Death Ball is filler. But that attack never exploded either, so there's no way we could know that Trunks could have taken it.

They took blasts from each other, but none of them were planet destroying since the Earth was still there. The Spirit bomb never destroyed a planet, it only created a crater. Goku has only been hit with a planet destroying attack once, and it killed him. When ever he's shown be faced with a planet destroying attack, he counters with a Kamehameha.

You make it seem like they toss around planet destroying attacks all the time, when clearly they don't. The only time we see them use planetary blasts is when they use one of their special attacks (Kamehameha, Death Ball, or Final Flash) that requires alot of ki to be charged. Goku in all of his fights were hurt by lesser ki blasts that couldn't destroy the planet and badly bruised by physical attacks (inferior to Superman's). Gohan arm was injured by one of Cells energy blasts, and it wasn't planet destruction either.

Supes flies right through energy blasts often, it really doesn't work against him in fights. He was tossed into a red sun three times, one even being covered in K-nite; being tossed in a red sun far exceeds any attack Goku can bring. Superman survived a supernova (twice, one even had red radiation) and a double black hole. those small ki blasts that Goku be tossing won't cut it, his Kamehameha won't be enough either, Supes will either take the blasts, dodge them or just stop Goku in the process since it takes time to throw the blast.

Goku has no way of winning. He can't take any of Supes punches or kicks because he's not durable enough, and he's physically not strong enough to harm Superman. He can't block or dodge Supes Heat Vision either, which is hotter than stars and was able to stop much more powerful opponents than Goku, this isn't some ki blast. He could Freeze Goku and break him or vaporize him with HV.

And Supes highten senses gives him a huge advantage. Goku rely's on ki sensing to locate his enemy, but Supes powers doesn't come from Ki, so Goku won't be able to sense him. Supes however, can fly in space, use telescope Vision, and then blast him with HV or fly across the planet and telescope vision and super hearing to locate Goku's position and then use HV.

Or it could be that when someone in dbz wants to blow up a planet they usually send their attack into the earth itself and then it explodes, but when they are fighting their attacks blow up on the surface or over the planet.

Or it could just be that it's not planet destroying. When that energy they use is released, there should be nothing left if the attack really is planet destroying, but since the blasts that shoot when they explode, and it does destroy the planet, that only proves that it isn't planet destroying. They even let the people know when they are about to use a blast to destroy the planet.

1. Freeza stats that he's about to use his death ball to destoy the planet
2. Vegeta fighting Goku for the first time
3. Cell when he was fighting Goku and when self destructed
4. Goku sensing Kid Buu's energy ball when he destroy Earth
5. Trunks sensing Vegeta's ki when he was charging up Final Flash against Cell

Supes has to many ways to win, while Goku has none.

Like someone mentioned before, Gohan or Vegetto r much better matches for Supes.

They won't last long either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That doesn't look like a black hole. Sorry, but That's like asking for evidence of ghosts and someone giving me an ice cream cone.
Try again.
Common sense says that Freeza's deathball is a blackhole? That's funny it doesn't seem to destroy the planet simply from existing near it, it isn't black and doesn't even seem to have any of the properties of a black hole.
Something tells me it ain't common sense that says that the death ball is a black hole.
You're comparing a black hole to lunar destruction power, or merely on a planetary destruction through chain of events type attack?
Yeah, I'm going to go with no.
And yet none of the attacks demonstrate the properties of a black hole, in fact the attacks seems to glow and have no real gravity to them.
Which is not like a blackhole that would destroy the planet from mere proximity... So again, they're not throwing blackholes at each other. So your entire argument is invald in coorelated context to my challange of your claim... in otherwords you still have yet to prove they could survive a blackhole.
Or a DBZ fan who's trolling's fanbased interpritation of events in a sad attempt to justify their yet-to-be-validated belief that The DBZ characters could survive a black hole.

I think something really is wrong with this guy, I skimmed some of this novel and he's talking about throwing black hoes at each other? 😂
I was obviously talking about them being durable enough to take planet destroying blasts. Sorry weirdo I'm no fan of dbz, its ok but there are plenty of way better animes out there, unlike you some of us can debate without having to be complete fanboys.

Originally posted by dvampire
1. Trunks grabbing Freeza's Death Ball is filler. But that attack never exploded either, so there's no way we could know that Trunks could have taken it.

2. Or it could just be that it's not planet destroying. When that energy they use is released, there should be nothing left if the attack really is planet destroying, but since the blasts that shoot when they explode, and it does destroy the planet, that only proves that it isn't planet destroying. They even let the people know when they are about to use a blast to destroy the planet.

1. Freeza stats that he's about to use his death ball to destoy the planet
2. Vegeta fighting Goku for the first time
3. Cell when he was fighting Goku and when self destructed
4. Goku sensing Kid Buu's energy ball when he destroy Earth
5. Trunks sensing Vegeta's ki when he was charging up Final Flash against Cell

1. I already said what I had to say about all this "filler" nonsense. Do you have a scan of what happended in the manga after freeza used his deathball? and Freeza exploded the blast right after Trunks held it in his hand and Trunks was fine.

2. Like I said above Freeza's deathball exploded above the earth in Trunks' hand, everything wasn't destroyed but we know for a fact that his deathball is a planet destroyer.

If the blasts they are throwing are as weak as you think then dragonball Master Roshi could kill ssj3 Goku with his charged blast.

As far as everyone announcing they are going to destroy the planet, that doesn't contradict where I said they are likely controlling they blasts so as not to destroy the planet when they fight. and in most of those scenarios you mentioned they saw they couldn't win and were admitting defeat by trying to destroy everything including the planet and themselves. Freeza even mentioned that if the planet was gone Goku would not be able to survive in outer space.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I think something really is wrong with this guy, I skimmed some of this novel and he's talking about throwing black hoes at each other? 😂
I was obviously talking about them being durable enough to take planet destroying blasts. Sorry weirdo I'm no fan of dbz, its ok but there are plenty of way better animes out there, unlike you some of us can debate without having to be complete fanboys.

1. I already said what I had to say about all this "filler" nonsense. Do you have a scan of what happended in the manga after freeza used his deathball? and Freeza exploded the blast right after Trunks held it in his hand and Trunks was fine.

2. Like I said above Freeza's deathball exploded above the earth in Trunks' hand, everything wasn't destroyed but we know for a fact that his deathball is a planet destroyer.

Which only means that it's not planet destroying, since the energy that's being released should destroy the planet.

[QUOTE]As far as everyone announcing they are going to destroy the planet, that doesn't contradict where I said they are likely controlling they blasts so as not to destroy the planet when they fight. and in most of those scenarios you mentioned they saw they couldn't win and were admitting defeat by trying to destroy everything including the planet and themselves.

Look above. You can't control the energy once it explodes. They have no control over the energy once it explodes. The attacks aren't planet destroy if the planet is still there.

You're not trying to say that every ki blast that they throw are planet destroying are you?

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I think something really is wrong with this guy, I skimmed some of this novel and he's talking

about throwing black hoes at each other? 😂

could survive a black hole. You mentioned the attacks they did use. I'm saying that the attacks they

did use does not constitute as proof as their attacks do not have the same properties of a black

hole.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I was obviously talking about them being durable enough to take planet destroying blasts.

"black hole" not "planet destroying blast"

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Sorry weirdo I'm no fan of dbz, its ok but there are plenty of way better animes out there, unlike

you some of us can debate without having to be complete fanboys.

merely trolling. Reported.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
1. I already said what I had to say about all this "filler" nonsense. Do you have a scan of what

happended in the manga after freeza used his deathball? and Freeza exploded the blast right after

Trunks held it in his hand and Trunks was fine.

fact that it never happened in the manga. fact is it never happened in the manga... unless you'd like

to provide the scans. Of course I could cite you the forum rule about using non-canon material.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
2. Like I said above Freeza's deathball exploded above the earth in Trunks' hand, everything wasn't

destroyed but we know for a fact that his deathball is a planet destroyer.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
As far as everyone announcing they are going to destroy the planet, that doesn't contradict where I said they are likely controlling they blasts so as not to destroy the planet when they fight.

Originally posted by dvampire
Which only means that it's not planet destroying, since the energy that's being released should destroy the planet.

Look above. You can't control the energy once it explodes. They have no control over the energy once it explodes. The attacks aren't planet destroy if the planet is still there.

You're not trying to say that every ki blast that they throw are planet destroying are you?

This is going in circles.

We know it's a planet destroyer, we've seen one that size obliterate a planet, we saw a small one destroy Namek.

No, I'm saying that any attack they are using and intending to do real damage with could destroy a planet if they used it with that purpose. I can't imagine ssj2 Cell using attacks weaker than master roshi.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
This is going in circles.

We know it's a planet destroyer, we've seen one that size obliterate a planet, we saw a small one destroy Namek.

No, I'm saying that any attack they are using and intending to do real damage with could destroy a planet if they used it with that purpose. I can't imagine ssj2 Cell using attacks weaker than master roshi.

Again, Freeza's attack created a chain reaction, it didn't one shot the planet as soon as the blast touched the planet, which makes it not planet destroying.

You can't control the energy once it explodes. They have no control over the energy once it explodes. The attacks aren't planet destroy if the planet is still there.

You're not trying to say that every ki blast that they throw are planet destroying are you?

Originally posted by dvampire
Again, Freeza's attack created a chain reaction, it didn't one shot the planet as soon as the blast touched the planet, which makes it not planet destroying.

You can't control the energy once it explodes. They have no control over the energy once it explodes. The attacks aren't planet destroy if the planet is still there.

You're not trying to say that every ki blast that they throw are planet destroying are you?

The small one on namek didn't, the big one like the one Trunks grabbed obliterated planet vegeta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ska4kJDzXzI

Sigh, So none of you have shown where Supes can survive a planet destroying blast? SUPES DIES THEN because in all actuality he can't.
Goku >>>>Supes easily.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
The small one on namek didn't, the big one like the one Trunks grabbed obliterated planet vegeta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ska4kJDzXzI

Movies aren't cannon. It was showed in the manga how Freeza destroying planet Vegeta.

Originally posted by Unrivaled
Sigh, So none of you have shown where Supes can survive a planet destroying blast? SUPES DIES THEN because in all actuality he can't.
Goku >>>>Supes easily.

Black Hole > planet destruction

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t371890.html

Superman > any DBZ character.

Originally posted by dvampire
Black Hole > planet destruction

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t371890.html

Superman > any DBZ character.

You linked me to a respect thread proving nothing........ 👇

Just in case you choose to ignore his feats in his respect thread, I'll list some of his durability feats.

Here's Superman taking several particle beams. It's not ki blasts, but it still has heat and energy.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3651/durability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4640/durability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1761/durability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/851/durability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Now can the Goku support bring a durability feat that supasses or rivals Superman's?