Villain Grading Tiers

Originally posted by Bransolute
It doesn't matter if we do or not. He's still about as far above them, as we are of other creatures.
Hell, talking in general isn't needed when the cosmic beings talk to each other.

We're aware of our actions, that we make species extinct...

You consider animals that you eat to be intelligent sentient creatures? AFAIK that's not a common belief among meat eaters.

Originally posted by Bransolute
To save all reality... doesn't that tell you something? That he doesn't belong in this thread...

It occured to me but I ignored it because it wasn't the point you started with 😛

I think top level should be in two ways. Body count or cruelty.

I donno about how we order them is best but meh.

Mephisto A+

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think that Doom and Joker should be on the same level. Sure Joker and Doom have amassed vast power but most of the time they are not on the same level as Anti-Monitor. Anti-Monitor is never a street level threat he is always cosmic.

One should list accomplishments and another should list cruelty+pain they've caused the protagonist.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You consider animals that you eat to be intelligent sentient creatures? AFAIK that's not a common belief among meat eaters.

And before anyone brings up Earth. That's like one out of a million planets or so, that Galactus can't really eat.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It occured to me but I ignored it because it wasn't the point you started with 😛

Either way you look at it, he doesn't belong in this thread.

My criteria was their overall effect on their arch enemies and their respective universes as a whole.

Originally posted by hugekent
My criteria was their overall effect on their arch enemies and their respective universes as a whole.

Red: Joker > Luthor, villain wise. 😬

Someone wanna update this list? If not, I will tomorrow.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
👆 That's pretty in-line with what I was thinking, along with their general success rate and fame as a villain.

Red: Joker > Luthor, villain wise. 😬

Someone wanna update this list? If not, I will tomorrow.

I still disagree. Their kind of opposite coins to a coin flip. Luthor is just as well known, and is Superman's trademark enemy, which is ironic, since he has no powers, he was in many of the movies, he's A+ for his businessman like approach to evil deeds, and his fame.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
I still disagree. Their kind of opposite coins to a coin flip. Luthor is just as well known, and is Superman's trademark enemy, which is ironic, since he has no powers, he was in many of the movies, he's A+ for his businessman like approach to evil deeds, and his fame.

The villain community fears Luthor because he can crush them with his level of power/influence. The villain community fears Joker, because he scares the shit out of them.

I think the level on which Joker affects Batman is more impressive than the level on which Luthor affects Superman.

I also think that Joker's performance as Emperor Joker was more villainous than what Luthor would have done... which, IMO, defines the difference between them

Luthor kills for power.
Joker kills (also huge amounts of people, despite his lack of money/power) for fun.

I think Joker is more villainous, and a higher grade of villain.

I think a case can be made for Luthor to A+... but I wouldn't put him on par with Joker, Thanos or Doom. Maybe Ozy...

Didn't Luthor give like hundreds of people powers, just so he could kill them...

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Luthor is not as well known...

I think that Joker's feared by the villain community more than Luthor, because, for all of Luthor's intelligence, power and money, he can't match Joker's raw insanity for villainy.

I think the level on which Joker affects Batman is more impressive than the level on which Luthor affects Superman.

I also think that Joker's performance as Emperor Joker was more villainous than what Luthor would have done... which, IMO, defines the difference between them

Luthor kills for power.
Joker kills (also huge amounts of people, despite his lack of money/power) for fun.

I think Joker is more villainous, and a higher grade of villain.

Anyone who was alive in the 1970's, 80's, 90's, or 00's knows lex Luthor whether it be through gene Hackman, Clancy Brown, or Kevin Spacey. Luthor does things out of the spotlight, for his image's sake, he isn't insane, and he's no longer ur stereotypical mad scientist, and to further add to his character, what's more sinister than a Businessman? A Politician. I say we put this to a vote for A+

Originally posted by Bransolute
Didn't Luthor give like hundreds of people powers, just so he could kill them...

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
As I recall, he gave them powers so he could control them... by controlling whether their powers worked or not. Iirc.

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Anyone who was alive in the 1970's, 80's, 90's, or 00's knows lex Luthor whether it be through gene Hackman, Clancy Brown, or Kevin Spacey. Luthor does things out of the spotlight, for his image's sake, he isn't insane, and he's no longer ur stereotypical mad scientist, and to further add to his character, what's more sinister than a Businessman? A Politician. I say we put this to a vote for A+

And Joker is much more sinister than Luthor.

And I would bet money on the fact that the layman is more familiar with Batman/Joker than Superman/Luthor.

Ask someone with little to no comics knowledge who Batman's biggest villain is, to most it comes easy... or, faster than asking who Superman's biggest villain is.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
I editted my post.

And Joker is much more sinister than Luthor.

And I would bet money on the fact that the layman is more familiar with Batman/Joker than Superman/Luthor.

Ask someone with little to no comics knowledge who Batman's biggest villain is, to most it comes easy... or, faster than asking who Superman's biggest villain is.

Not to anyone I know, Superman/Luthor is pretty common knowledge, I mean I now Batman has the greatest rogue's gallery, but the SUperman/Luthor relationship is just as infamous, and he's still one of the most overused villains ever(it's screwing up his character) but still, this needs to be placed to a vote.

Originally posted by Bransolute
And a lot of them died...
I remember him turning someone's power off (I think it was Impulse) right when she was in the middle of battle...

He doesn't care about death, but he doesn't do it for the sake of death.

Look at Joker vs. Jason Todd, Oracle.

Then look at Luthor vs. Supergirl.

😬

Zoom A- or b

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
Not to anyone I know, Superman/Luthor is pretty common knowledge, I mean I now Batman has the greatest rogue's gallery, but the SUperman/Luthor relationship is just as infamous, and he's still one of the most overused villains ever(it's screwing up his character) but still, this needs to be placed to a vote.

And to clarify, I'm not claiming Luthor isn't A+ (I don't think he is, but my opinion could be swayed). I don't, however, think that he can stack up to Mr. J

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
It may be close, but Joker's infamy stretches beyond that of Luthor.

And to clarify, I'm not claiming Luthor isn't A+ (I don't think he is, but my opinion could be swayed). I don't, however, think that he can stack up to Mr. J

Luthor has great potential but poor execution