Just so that Smurph sees it:
Originally posted by SpookySmurphsly
[b]Proposals:
Maxwell Lord to A ... 2 (Smurph, Soljer) vs. 0
Tyrant to A+ ... 1 (Master-Borg) vs. 0
Cyber to A ... 1 (Battlehammer) vs. 0
Luthor to A+ ... 2 (Master-Borg, hugekent) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Juggernaut to B ... 1 (Master-Borg) vs. 0
Apocalypse to B ... 1 (Master-Borg) vs. 0
Green Goblin to A ... 1 (Master-Borg) vs.
Black Adam to A+ ... 1 (Bran) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Luthor to A+ ... 1 (Capt. Spaulding) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Red Hood for A ... 1 (Martian Mind) vs. 2 (Soljer, Smurph)
Malefic for A ... 1 (Maritan) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Sabretooth to B ... 1 (Switch) vs. 2 (Smurph, Soljer)
Apocalypse to B ... 2 (Ash, Switch) vs. 0
Mephisto to A+ ... 1 (Maestro) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Zoom to B ... 1 (Gecko) vs. 1 (Soljer)
Two-Face for B ... 1 (Erik L) vs. 0
Hush for B ... 1 (Erik L) vs. 0
Exodus for B ... 1 (Erik L) vs. 0
Morlun for B ... 2 (Erik L, Niñoaraña) vs. 1 (Gecko)
Morlun for A ... 1 (Gecko) vs. 3 (Erik L, Niño, Citizen V)
Zoom to A ... 1 (Soljer) vs. 1 (Gecko)Notes:
-Meh. Galactus no longer counts for this thread. srug
-Carnage to A was defeated-Start agreeing or disagreeing, guys... [/B]
Originally posted by jrodslam
For - Black Adam, Apocalypse and Luthor.DC
I nominate Cyborg for A+
I nominate Major Force for B or A
I nominate Despero for A
I nominate Eclipso for A+Marvel
I nominate Mr. Sinister to A
I nominate Red Skull to A or BI also think there needs to be more ranks. Bullseye and Sabes should NOT be on the same villainry level as the rest in A.
For example personality, history and such. What attracts me to a villain is complexity, not necesarrily accomplishments. Take Anti-Monitor for example. He destroyed the Multiverse. Okay, so what ? Does this make him A+ ? Is he a complex character ? Interesting ? Does he have any conflicts inside of him like for example a character like Magneto has ? Villains such as "I'm so powerfull I can destroy everything/blink you out of existence/recreate the Omniverse with a thought" or "OMG I would so own you with prep" don't really impress me very much.
But then again, to each his own.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
For example personality, history and such. What attracts me to a villain is complexity, not necesarrily accomplishments. Take Anti-Monitor for example. He destroyed the Multiverse. Okay, so what ? Does this make him A+ ? Is he a complex character ? Interesting ? Does he have any conflicts inside of him like for example a character like Magneto has ? Villains such as "I'm so powerfull I can destroy everything/blink you out of existence/recreate the Omniverse with a thought" or "OMG I would so own you with prep" don't really impress me very much.But then again, to each his own.
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True. Like certain bad guys have a vendetta against a certain character and spen their time making that good guys life hell. Then you have other bad guys that are a threat to the entire world or country. You have guys like Doom, Magneto, Despero and Eclipso that go for world domination. Then on the other hand you have baddies like Joker, Luthor, Kingpin, Red Skull who also go for country or world dominaton, HOWEVER they dont have nearly the power or resources of a Doom or Magneto. They just have the smarts and are very cunning.
Others like Bullseye and Sabertooth think small compared to those like Kingpin and Luthor. They operate on a bigger scale. Hell, Bullseye worked for Kingpin and takes his orders.
Joker mainly does what he does, because he wants to and/or thinks its fun. His rampage is city-wide.
I think things like that need to be addressed.
I saws it Cresh. Thankee, I'll fix it next update.
As for everyone else...
The criteria for judging villains: (with Sabretooth and Bullseye as examples)
-Their capacity for villainous acts
I think Sabretooth and Bullseye, if they had the power, would kill just as many herald level heroes as Doomsday has
-Their accomplishments
Sabes and Bullseye are right up there with the biggest serial killers, even in comics... they hold their own with people more powerful then they are, and have even killed or nearly killed some big names. Sabretooth's been killing for centuries, and has never been successfully stopped.
-Their fame
Sabretooth and Bullseye are both widely feared and respected, even by more powerful individuals than themselves. Bullseye's famous throughout the comics industry for never missing, even moreso than Deadshot, and EVERYBODY knows who Sabretooth is.
All of these are subjective. Sabretooth, who doesn't desire money or power, is bound to have less material accomplishments than, say, Luthor, but at the same time has gotten away with killing an overwhelming amount of people, especially for a lowly mutie like himself.
Bullseye can's perform as many villainous acts as Darkseid, but he has the will to.
We could add complexity as villains if the majority want. I'd be ok with that.
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Doom's more impressive than anybody in A.And if people want the system or amount of tiers to change, that's fine, but say how they should change. Don't give me any ambiguous "i dun lyke it..." comments. What would be a better system, why?
Doom isn't more impressive than Thanos, Antimonitor or Joker. Not now days, I might be wrong as we hardly ever get FF comics into Finland. :/
Not sure about Thanos being A+. Maybe A would fit him better, as he has CO-OPed with the Heroes some times.
Sorry if my last post lacked constructive criticism, but I thought it might be little too bold just to outright say what's good in my opinion. It's your thread after all, but if you don't mind a chance, then we should go with Erik's idea(s). IMO power doesn't necessarily make a good villain. Anti-monitor, Thanos, Darkseid and such would be pretty low on my PERSONAL list.
Buuut, we're on a public forum, so I try to keep my own preferences in check and let the fans mind their characters. I don't like Darkseid, I'm not going to vote him down just because I dislike him as an enemy. I'll ignore the rock faced bastard... Wait, WTF am I talking about. Plz carry on. 😕
As much as i like Bullseye and as much as many in the Marvel world fear him, hes just a street level treat and maybe slightly higher. He gets paid to do a job. He knows his limits. Same goes for Sabes. Hes only a level higer than street level threat imo.
I know these two have killed hundreds of people just for the sake of doing it, but they are inside a box so to speak. They just dont operate on a higher scale.
I just couldnt put them on the same villainry level as Darseid, Luthor, Sinestro or Magneto.
Originally posted by JyppeI said he's more impressive than anybody in A. Not A+. ermm
Doom isn't more impressive than Thanos, Antimonitor or Joker. Not now days, I might be wrong as we hardly ever get FF comics into Finland. :/Not sure about Thanos being A+. Maybe A would fit him better, as he has CO-OPed with the Heroes some times.
Sorry if my last post lacked constructive criticism, but I thought it might be little too bold just to outright say what's good in my opinion. It's your thread after all, but if you don't mind a chance, then we should go with Erik's idea(s). IMO power doesn't necessarily make a good villain. Anti-monitor, Thanos, Darkseid and such would be pretty low on my PERSONAL list.
Buuut, we're on a public forum, so I try to keep my own preferences in check and let the fans mind their characters. I don't like Darkseid, I'm not going to vote him down just because I dislike him as an enemy. I'll ignore the rock faced bastard... Wait, WTF am I talking about. Plz carry on. 😕
Meh, I'd be fine with adding Villain Complexity as an additional criteria... I actually think it's a really good idea.
And this is a public thread. Criticism is welcome. 🙂
That being said, I still think Thanos is A+, though I don't care about Anti-Monitor.
Originally posted by jrodslamI'd prefer to judge how good villains they are, rather then how big threats they are.
As much as i like Bullseye and as much as many in the Marvel world fear him, hes just a street level treat and maybe slightly higher. He gets paid to do a job. He knows his limits. Same goes for Sabes. Hes only a level higer than street level threat imo.I know these two have killed hundreds of people just for the sake of doing it, but they are inside a box so to speak. They just dont operate on a higher scale.
I just couldnt put them on the same villainry level as Darseid, Luthor, Sinestro or Magneto.
If somebody should be just a street level threat, but accomplishes something extremely impressive for a street level threat, that's just as good as a herald level threat affecting people at the top or above HIS ladder. 😬
Originally posted by SpookySmurph
I'd prefer to judge how good villains they are, rather then how big threats they are.If somebody should be just a street level threat, but accomplishes something extremely impressive for a street level threat, that's just as good as a herald level threat affecting people at the top or above HIS ladder. 😬
Agreed.
If we went by that, our list would look similar to the character tier list at the top of the page.