Villain Grading Tiers

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
I said he's more impressive than anybody in A. Not A+. ermm

Meh, I'd be fine with adding Villain Complexity as an additional criteria... I actually think it's a really good idea.

And this is a public thread. Criticism is welcome. 🙂

That being said, I still think Thanos is A+, though I don't care about Anti-Monitor.

Damn, sorry. IMO Doom is pretty much equal with Magneto. They're both arch enemies of FF & X-men. IMO they belong to A instead of A+. They're not murdering bastards (Joker for example) nor are they that big threats (On a "OMG call the avengers!" - Scale) They both A class characters originality & personality wise though. They're not as one dimensional as Monitor for example, but this doesn't matter unless you want to chance the criteria. Doom is more powerful of the 2 AFAIK.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
So, what has he done?

Isn't current Apocalypse... Rather lame?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Damn, sorry. IMO Doom is pretty much equal with Magneto. They're both arch enemies of FF & X-men. IMO they belong to A instead of A+. They're not murdering bastards (Joker for example) nor are they that big threats (On a "OMG call the avengers!" - Scale) They both A class characters originality & personality wise though. They're not as one dimensional as Monitor for example, but this doesn't matter unless you want to chance the criteria. Doom is more powerful of the 2 AFAIK.

Isn't current Apocalypse... Rather lame?

I'm talking about Sinister...

Originally posted by Jyppe
Isn't current Apocalypse... Rather lame?

So, What has Sinister done that warrants an A?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Doom is more powerful of the 2 AFAIK.

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Originally posted by Jyppe

Sinister to A. He has f-ed with the X-men by cloning, turning them to humans etc so many times that he has pretty much guaranteed his place in A.

Was a pain in HE's ass too. Is he Gambit's father or was that some weird alternative reality crap? The whole deal with Jean & Cyke and their genes. I'm not so sure about the current Sinister, as Finland doesn't get comics fast enough, and quite many stories never make it to here. His Neverland project or what ever it was called was pretty "awesome" too.

IMO Apocalypse was an A level villain, but now days he's pretty.. lame.

Originally posted by batdude123
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Isn't he like the second best magic user on 616 earth? Wasn't he considered second only to Strange?

Stryfe deserves an A before Sinister.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Isn't he like the second best magic user on 616 earth? Wasn't he considered second only to Strange?

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Originally posted by Jyppe
IMO Apocalypse was an A level villain, but now days he's pretty.. lame.

BoA?

Yeah, that garbage.

The only thing good Milligan did was taking Apoc out of that "world conqueror" portrayal that AoA started.

Originally posted by llagrok
Stryfe deserves an A before Sinister.

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Wikipedia disagrees with you. Can someone who actually is able to read FF regularly give us some insight?

Doom also possesses a good deal of magic ability which he learned from his time with a secret order of monks in Tibet, as well as knowledge passed on from his magically-inclined mother. He is able to fire blasts of mystical energy from his hands, create protective shields of magical energy, ensnare foes in bands of energy (the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak), and create portals to other planes of existence, such as Mephisto's hellish realm or the Dreamtime of the Australian Aborigines. Doom has also developed the ability to psionically transfer his consciousness into another nearby human being with whom he's made eye contact, a process which he learned from the alien Ovoids. However, Doom prefers his own body and only uses this transference power as a last resort. It has been stated that Dr. Doom is, in fact, next in line for the title of Sorcerer Supreme after Dr. Strange. Though he more or less shunned the mystic arts for scientific pursuits, he recently made a pact with the Haazareth Three, a group of demons who amplified his powers greatly so he could kidnap Franklin and Valeria Richards, simultaneously imprisoning the FF and Doctor Strange to prevent them interfering with his schemes.

Apologies if I was wrong. 🙂

EDIT - BadAsh. What was the latest turn of events, concerning Apoc? Is he still "paying" back his loan to the Celestials?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Isn't he like the second best magic user on 616 earth? Wasn't he considered second only to Strange?

Yes, he came in second place to Dr. Strange for the sorcerer supreme title. However, that's just a technicality. He almost never uses magic, and even when he does, the power he outputs is still below Magneto's.

If we used that fact alone to base his power level off of, he'd probably be in the high herald category (despite what actual feats tell us).

In terms of raw power, Magneto is Doom's superior.

Whoa whoa. Doom the second best magic user on Earth next to Strange? ❌ No way.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whoa whoa. Doom the second best magic user on Earth next to Strange? ❌ No way.

Agreed.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, he came in second place to Dr. Strange for the sorcerer supreme title. However, that's just a technicality. He almost never uses magic, and even when he does, the power he outputs is still below Magneto's.

If we used that fact alone to base his power level off of, he'd probably be in the high herald category (despite what actual feats tell us).

In terms of raw power, Magneto is Doom's superior.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Why is he considered the next sorcerer supreme if he isn't that powerful? Or does it depend on something different? And wikipedia does state something about another power up, he was able to take Strange and FF at the same time..?

Did Magneto gain his powers back? I remember him getting them back during the whole Collective story, but was it permanent?

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, he came in second place to Dr. Strange for the sorcerer supreme title. However, that's just a technicality. He almost never uses magic, and even when he does, the power he outputs is still below Magneto's.

Also, Mags said that they were too equal in raw power, and then he tried to control him and got punked...

Originally posted by Jyppe
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Why is he considered the next sorcerer supreme if he isn't that powerful? Or does it depend on something different? And wikipedia does state something about another power up, he was able to take Strange and FF at the same time..?

A lot of things in comics make absolutely no sense. I would consider this to be one of those things. 🙂

Originally posted by Jyppe
Did Magneto gain his powers back? I remember him getting them back during the whole Collective story, but was it permanent?

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He got his powers back in New Avengers #20.

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetorepoweredzu7.jpg

Also, there's going to be an upcoming X-Men arc featuring him in it.

http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny491dcp0022cw6.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny491dcp0023hb2.jpg

Originally posted by Bransolute
Doom rocked Pre-pussy Beyonder with a magic blast... 😐

Also, Mags said that they were too equal in raw power, and then he tried to control him and got punked...

Certainly not on a consistent basis.

Soo.. Cassandra Nova to A/A+?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Soo.. Cassandra Nova to A/A+?

How are you guys rating Villians? In terms of power threat? Or in terms of badassery and consistency?

Originally posted by batdude123
A lot of things in comics make absolutely no sense. I would consider this to be one of those things. 🙂

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He got his powers back in New Avengers #20.

http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetorepoweredzu7.jpg

Also, there's going to be an upcoming X-Men arc featuring him in it.

http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny491dcp0022cw6.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny491dcp0023hb2.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
He's not as powerful as Magneto.

Certainly not on a consistent basis.

Also, what exactly do you base Doom not being as powerful by? Him not controlling mass machines? Him not cheap shot knocking out Strange, and Huc? Him not blood ripping people?
He's not like that. However, his power is still extremely high. He's still a team wrecker.
He's one shotted top tiers... under equal circumstances. He's one-shotted Warlock when Warlock tried to cheap shot him...

BigBran - What do you know about his (Doom's) recent power up? And maybe you should move this to a Vs. thread.