Originally posted by Darth Hord
I have to ask you,if you don't consider Revan to be a true sith lord than you can't consider any other sith who followed after him to be a true sith including the likes of Dooku,Maul,Kaan and Darth Bane since they not have an sith from the ancient times of the sith empire declare them one.
Do you honestly believe Noobaris knows what he's talking about? Ever?
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Occam's Razor. Nihilus, he who has displayed the most destructive use of the force in the entire Mythos, unleashed a full on force onslaught onto Sion, and his entire body remained intact. The same goes with each cutscene that follows the Exile striking him down with her lightsaber.
Nihilus is the most destructive force power? Are you forgetting Sidious' storms? Nihilus' technique kills individuals (if that's even the tech he used), but it does not have the pure destructive power of Sidious' storms. Besides all that, is that scene even cannon, considering that it was cut from the game.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
LMAO. Ignore how concentrated the force would have to be on its target why don't you. By your logic, Dooku's lightning expends as much force energy as Palpatine's simply because the scale remains the same.
How are they even remotely on the same scale? Forgetting the storms, Sidious' once killed 100 stormtroopers in a singe power burst.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Again, as said to Gideon, pure ability means jack. Sion possessed so much speed that he was able to slice off her hand in one move. The only factors, on her part, that would prevent such a thing would be speed and reaction time, both which draw from the force, which she has been shown to possess extraordinary ability with.
show me where it says that simply having powerful force potential gave you amazing pre-cog or speed without having to refine the technique.
Also show me where it's implied that Traya herself possessed speed that was worth a damn, because if she didn't then Sion out pacing her is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Did you not read my post? Her extreme learning rate and incredible force strength (augmented by every single person she ever killed) indicates as much. The fact that she was strong enough to defeat Traya after fighting through an entire Academy of darksiders and battle droids, as well as having to beat down Sion a few good times indicates as much.
Exactly how much was her force ability augmented by with each kill? What's more, how does anything about the exile even come close to comparing to the most powerful Sith lord in history. Your grasping at straws here, give her power some context if your going to claim that she's stronger than Sidious.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Wrong. Firstly, that statement doesn't exist, and secondly, the Exile wasn't officially a Jedi at the time. The Order had disbanded, and she was somewhat of a grey Jedi.
First off, the statement does exist (seriously, your ignorance of the source material only proves that even you don't believe the crap you spew), ROTS novelization, enjoy.
Secondly, the whole point of the KOTOR II lightside path was the exile reclaiming her title as a jedi, she's identified as such in other material, she is a jedi.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Please try and read my arguments properly. I didn't say he would be holding back or anything, but that defending himself wouldn't exactly be his #1 priority.
How about you post some actual evidence aside from your personal views on a characters state of mind for a change? Like a statement or something indicating that, as you say, he wasn't fully defending himself.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Anyone who was confirmed through dialogue to have been struck down with a lightsaber, yes. And that would be... oh, just Sion.
Now show me where it was stated that he was decapitated or had a limb severed and still got up.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Not only do those statements not actually exist, but absence of proof is not proof of absence. He may display more, however he's also been in far more sources. Displaying more itself doesn't mean that he's more powerful.
I've already said where the statements can be found, they clearly state that Sids is the strongest.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Speaks nothing for his pure prowess. It was his speed that enabled him to do such a thing. Know what you're talking about.
Pure speed alone would not be enough to overcome those master, especially not ones with their ability in combat. And even if it were all about speed, then you'll have to show me where Sion displays anywhere near the same.
Originally posted by Gideon
I merely find the notion of lying to protect one's online identity from being discovered as low. It's a move that resonates of desperation. Though, I will give Nebaris credit for milking every "loophole" he can access to try to defy canon. He'd make a decent lawyer, I'd wager.
Arguing against canon wouldn't make you a good lawyer Escape. A good lawyer is one who can interpret and manipulate the spirit of the law to his or her own end. Noobaris wouldn't be able to do this with all the luck in the world, since arguing against facts would generally be counterproductive.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaNot only do those statements not actually exist, but absence of proof is not proof of absence. He may display more, however he's also been in far more sources. Displaying more itself doesn't mean that he's more powerful.
My apologies, Nebaris, but "those statements" do -- in fact -- exist; three separate ones from three separate sources off the top of my head, with my copy of the RotS novelization notwithstanding.
"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76. Emphasis mine.
"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book). Emphasis mine.
"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72. Emphasis mine.
And before you go off reciting how the adjective is referring to Darth Sidious's political achievements -- the statement is made in the very beginning of the Attack of the Clones section. All he has done, at this point, has gotten himself elected Chancellor -- with relatively limited powers -- as this is before the manipulation of the Separatist crisis granted him unprecedented political latitude. Likewise, the Jedi Order is still functioning, as is the Republic, and the Empire is nonexistent. It is an obvious reference to power.
Likewise, here is a bit from Publius:
The Dark Empire Sourcebook states (p. 39) that "Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure". It goes on to list the following powers: Absorb/dissipate energy, accelerate healing, control pain, detoxify poison, enhance attribute, hibernation trance, rage, reduce injury, remain conscious, resist stun, short-term memory enhancement, combat sense, danger sense, instinctive astrogation, life detection, life sense, magnify senses, receptive telepathy, sense Force, sense path, injure/kill, telekinesis, farseeing (i.e., prescience and clairvoyance), lightsaber combat, projective telepathy, accelerate another's healing, control another's pain, feed on dark side, Force lightning, inflict pain, return another to consciousness, transfer Force, affect mind, control minds, create Force storms, Dopplegänger, drain life essence, enhanced coordination, telekinetic kill, transfer life, and dim another's senses.Three notable powers subsequently introduced which he almost surely possessed include the forbidden Jedi arts of malacia and mortichro (ref. the Databank) and the Sith discipline mechu-duru (ref. "The Emperor's Pawns"😉; one notable exception is the creation of Sith zombies, which he has been specifically stated not to have known (as detailed in the Wizards of the Coast web site's entry on Korriban). Generally speaking, however, it is a reasonable assumption that the Galactic Emperor either possesses a given ability, or could easily learn it.
The most intriguing demonstrations of his power are the circumstances surrounding the burial of HIMS Lusankya on Imperial Centre (some speculate that he "clouded men's minds" à la Shadow) and the circumstances surrounding the arrival of General Skywalker on Byss (which involved the Emperor opening a wormhole in hyperspace and projecting a Force storm across possibly thousands of light years, and somehow physically depositing General Skywalker in the hold of a Lictor-class dungeon ship with the Force storm, suggesting that he is in fact capable of teleportation).
PUBLIUS
Addendums: The situation regarding the burial of the Lusankya were proven to be a direct result from "the Emperor's mind-fogging powers" (the Essential Guide to Characters, Ysanne Isard). Likewise, the Essential Chronology states that when the Star Destroyer tore itself from the planet, it killed "millions instantly" -- so Palpatine warped the minds of millions.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaThen i guess going by what you said, anakin is also saber god because he cut off mace windu's arm, somebody who tooled the most powerful sith lord in history.And it counts as a big ass feat because it's not shown to happen again (to a force user of Traya's caliber) except in one circumstance: with Luke Skywalker. If not so powerful people possessed speed great enough to overpower someone with the precognitive abilities and force strength of Kreia in one move, it would be more often repeated, is my point.
Wow so cutting ones arm off is a big feat, then i guess yoda is superior to luke because he sent sidious flying
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaBecause of one moveNo, I never mentioned anything about talent, but overall battle prowess.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaYou weren't posting evidence, you were speculating and using one feat which anybody could have done.
Lol. I indirectly labelled him a God? So, posting evidence of his incredible prowess indirectly labels him a God?
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaNo i don't
Right. The fact that you would interpret such a thing would suggest that you find what I mentioned highly impressive, anyway.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaDebate? Can you even debate in the first place?Oh how I love debating with people who don't know how to read.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaHow was kreia "overpowered" exactly? By losing her once hand when she was caught off guard? I guess anakins a god then.I never said that Luke was the only other who displayed incredible speed, I said Luke was the only other to completely overpower a combatant in one move with force ability on Traya's level.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaForce titan? Uh what after killing 3 weakling jedi masters with one move? After getting wtf owned by nihilus?Because hacked hand belonged to Traya, force titan with unrivalled precognitive ability.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaNow your key phrase "slowly approach" him backs my point up. If she "slowly approached" him, wouldn't it give her ample time for her "titan precognitive abilities" to tell her that he is going to strike her and that she should come up with a counter attack rather than stand there letting her cut her arm off?
Given she possesses precognition, that would be yes. Point is, with Sion's speed, it didn't make the slightest difference.
Does it, if she really knew he was going to strike she wouldn't just be standing there wouldn't she? Oh i forgot they have been talking to each other for at the least a minute or so, ample time for her "precognition" to at the least hint to her that he is going to attack[QUOTE=9865550]Originally posted by Ultra Omega
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Indeed. She was there to distract him. Now how exactly was she going to do that, Galactus? Strip naked and give him a lap dance? No, more like she was going to distract him from the others by engaging him in combat. As evident by how she slowly approaches him... And goes into a battle stance when he reaches her.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAs seen on kreia, as seen on katarr, there was no orange lightning, and how is it for the gamers benefit that it is manifested as orange lightning when earlier in the game it shows kreia getting her connection cut off? Oh right there was no orange lightning when the 3 masters tried to cut the exile off the force when they nearly suceeded.
Have you not even read my entire post? As seen against the Exile, it manifests as Orange energy. Though that could purely be for the gamers benefit, in the same sense that healing has blue circles appear around the healed. But, as far as the Game cinematics are concerned: Orange Energy.
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Because if i go by your horrible logic of using game cinematics, it wouldn't be the force sever technique at all, it would be a mere simple force drain
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaSorry but the orange lightning used on the exile was a different technique seeing that there are countless sources to disprove it as a sever force technique. Dark empire, the sith war TOTJ, kreia vs nihilus.
As I've already said, I feel it likely that that is what Nihilus actually did do on her, and there are simply inconsistencies with the visuals.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAnything to back you up?
However, if you're gonna try and deny that, your argument can easily be countered by the facts that she could have been talking about her status as the head of the Sith Triumverate when she mentioned that her power s were stripped from her,
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaExhausted by? A force push? Wow some force titanand as for not being able to bring back her lightsaber to her, such could be explained by the fact that she would have been physically exhausted by that point.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAnd who ever said a force sever is an immediate effect?
Further supporting that point is how she is able to use her powers later on, and even have some with her TK, despite not being able to move her saber (if her powers were completely removed, there would have been no effect
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAnd yours don't?Or, it could have simply been the standard force sever ability. Either way, as it stands, your argument has some serious holes in it.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAccording to kreia, your wrong, he destroys the bond between his victims and the force, according to kreia they die because of that. Then he feeds on the death he caused and it isn't through any draining technique because the exile has the same ability to feed on the death she caused.Because he was desperate for some energy to satisfy his hunger for a little longer, and the way in which the Exile's wound in the force nature weakens him. This is because the Exile's force presence is fractured, and not whole, and the only reason why such a thing would have weakened Nihilus would be if he were drawing energy from the Exile, which is what his connection sever ability does. /B]
His sever connection ability does not "drain life out of somebody" but cutss them off the force
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaHe feeds on the death he caused, and you just said his "sever force" is what is draining their life energies. Contradiction is it.
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Again, you don't quite understand what Nihilus does. He forms bonds between living beings, and then attacks their life and force connections. and feeds on the damage caused.[B]
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
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Why? Because, and you apparently don't get this, you're dealing with two completely different techniques here. Nihilus' technique attacks the force that exists within the Exile, and feeds on it.
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I think your the one not getting it, because as the almighty kreia said during the canon dialogues, he destroys the bond between life and the force then feed on the death it causes, not "attacks the force in somebody and feed on it".
Your wrong, period
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAnd it does not manifest itself as orange lightning
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The force that exists within the Exiles is damaged, and thus had the opposite effect on Nihilus than the one he was looking for. The force sever ability doesn't draw anything into its user, but simply destroys their force connection. [B]
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaOr the fact that they could have used a "blue aura" engulfing around the exile destroying her connection which would have made more sense.
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As I already said, it might simply be purely for the viewer to see rather than what is actually visible in the setting, much like healing. And even if that were not the case, it's not unknown for different forms of mediums to represent things differently.
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Originally posted by Ultra OmegaThrough speculation from nebaris which is un-proven.
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It's evident through the orange energy.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaIf she is weaker than him, why did he bow down to her towards the end of the game and decided to be her apprentice and want to please her?
Kreia more powerful than Sion? LOL. I love how you proved that.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaThats true but could he survive being pinned under debris if a superior force user buries him under it? Again that cut scene is non-canon. Doesn't sion need to be concious in order for his "invincibilty" to work? I can very well argue a superior force user can pull away all of his thoughts which will knock him out, as we have seen fay do it to assaji.
As for Nihilus, yes, he's more powerful than Sion, but the point is, Sion is able to resist attacks to such a degree that he remains mostly unaffected even when they're delivered from a more powerful foe. That's the entire point about Sion. He excels at keeping himself alive and resisting damage.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaHave you?
No, you haven't, and no, I have. Read above.
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaFunny that wookipedia says it only came from the dark empire source book, Please DO post a scan.I was referring to the TotJ Companion, which details the exact same Force Storm that is seen in Dark Empire. Yes, the very one that ravages space and time.[/B]
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaScan/quote pleaseReplicated was the wrong word. What I meant, was that many have been stated to have known it, those people being Nadd, numerous Ancient Sith and numerous Ancient Jedi.
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Originally posted by Ultra OmegaYou said "no control at all". Im going by what you said foolIt's not my fault if you're ignorant on the material. The technique is stated to grant the user a certain level of control over the storm..[/B]
Originally posted by Ultra OmegaAnd you forgot force mastery and controlThe power is activated by focusing onto a certain part of one's body with force energies. Possess knowledge of that certain spot, and you can summon the force storm. Once summoned, the storm provides the user a certain level of control over it. It appears that the level of control granted depends on willpower and depth of hatred, according to Palpatine's words. [/B]
Wow, those are some longting posts. I'll get to most of them later, but because he was so incredibly rude, I think I'll get to Daft Hord's now.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
I have to ask you,if you don't consider Revan to be a true sith lord than you can't consider any other sith who followed after him to be a true sith including the likes of Dooku,Maul,Kaan and Darth Bane since they not have an sith from the ancient times of the sith empire declare them one.
Don't be daft, Hord. Clearly you have problems with reading, because if you didn't, you would have known that my argument for Revan and his Sith not being legitimate is supported by the following facts:
1. There was an entirely separate Order of darksiders in working order at the time, actual Ancient Sith, and there was no sense of communication between the two one bit.
2. Revan's Sith Order was built with the ultimate goal of combating the actual legitimate Sith.
Now, how exactly is any of that supposed to apply to the Sith Lords you just mentioned? Here's a hint: it doesn't.
As for Bane, and his Order, clearly you can't have read Bane of the Sith, where Bane -shortly before establishing the Rule of 2- actually studies out of a Holocron found in Nadd's tomb (either Nadd's Holocron, or an Ancient Sith's Holocron that Nadd would have learnt from). Holocrons generally contain more than just a gatekeeper, but a link to the actual spirit of the Gatekeeper, meaning it's extremely possible that Bane would have learnt directly from a true Sith Lord, and deemed worthy by one of them. Either way, George Lucas actually fully recognises Bane as a true Dark Lord of the Sith, meaning he is. The same would apply to his Order, including Dooku and Maul.
As for Kaan, I personally don't consider him a true Sith Lord, given how he rejected most of their teachings and philosophies and set up his own. I personally doubt the previous Sith Lords would have deemed him worthy. The whole of Path of Destruction heavily hints that he and his Order were pretenders.
So, to summarise: I'm right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, you're daft, and it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about... and you just got Pwned61
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
So, to summarise: I'm right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, you're daft, and it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about... and you just got Pwned61 [/B]
This would make sense if you had EVER won an argument, EVER were right, and weren't constantly getting pwned and coming back for more. Denial=/=Reality.
I just read this and wow i have no comments
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHow did nihilus force sever ability effect non living things really? How populated was katarr? How big was the planet.
Nihilus's Super Force Severing attack can spread to such a scale that it can cause destruction on a planetary scale, kill all kinds of life-forms, shatter structures, feed on the deaths it causes and it does all this really fast.
Even wookiepedia states palpatines force storm > nihilus technique
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou are taking things too literally. Prove that he spoke then the planet died, he could have communicated with katarr telepathically and use the technique at the same time
In short, Nihilus just spoke and a planet was dead soon after-wards.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHe didn't destroy a planet, he destroyed what was on the planet. Palpatines force storm itself can cause far more damage than what nihilus has done seeing that palpatine destroyed a large portion of the coruscant surface
And destroying a planet > destroying a fleet by a considerable margin.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo it does not, use nihilus "force sever" on a person and compare it to palpatine using storm on one person, see which causes more damage. Try using nihilus technique on a fleet of warships, it wont work, try nihilus technique on the eclipse, it wouldnt work whereas palpatines storm can do everything from ravaging a planets surface ,destroy the rebel armada, bend space and time and teleporting luke halfway across the galaxy.
Though since Palpatine's Force Storm can bend fabric of space, so that makes it possibly the most dangerous technique but Nihilus' Super Force Severing technique does rivals it in terms of causing death and destruction. So I am not wrong.
Force storm beats force sever by a very large margin
Can nihilus force severing technique destroy space and time? No it can't,
There was at the least something left after nihilus attacked katarr whereas when palpatines storm struck there was nothing left seeing it all gets dissintigrated.
Right how i forgot wormholes/blackholes are stated to be the most destructive force in the universe
why are you guys trying to argue the point that omega is wrong? you can't argue with ignorance. Palpatine would rock Sion omega if you disagree well you're an idiot and after reading everything in this thread omega you are just flat out wrong and are trying to argue with canon.
and if something is canon even if everyone here at KMC disagrees with it doesn't matter because it's still canon.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
I just read this and wow i have no comments
Originally posted by GahLakTus
How did nihilus force sever ability effect non living things really?
Now you understand?
Originally posted by GahLakTus How populated was katarr?
Now the density of the population of Katarr is actually unknown. But since there were several cities on that planet, it indicates that perhaps millions were living on that planet.
But for a better idea, keep the below mentioned quote in mind:
"The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives."
Source: Unseen, Unheard
Originally posted by GahLakTus
How big was the planet.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Even wookiepedia states palpatines force storm > nihilus technique
This is what is mentioned in Wookieepedia: "Force storm was a dark side Force power, and possibly the most powerful Force ability known."
Even I have said that his Force Storm (Worm Hole) is possibly the most dangerous technique. Want me to provide a quote?
And Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique is also said to be among the greatest of all the Sith techniques.
The point is that both these techniques are extremely deadly to life-forms and can cause devastation on a massive scale. So what I am saying is that Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique simply rivals Palpatine' Force Storm in this case.
Your original claim was that palpatine' Force Storm is far more powerful than Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique. I just disagree with this claim and I have a valid reason to do so.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
You are taking things too literally. Prove that he spoke then the planet died, he could have communicated with katarr telepathically and use the technique at the same time
"My people never saw his face when he struck—but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died."
Source: Unseen, Unheard
It clearly describes that how Nihilus' Super Force Feeding attack works. It might be telepathic in nature but it can cause destruction on an immense level with great speed.
So don't argue with me about this because a canon source backs my point.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
He didn't destroy a planet, he destroyed what was on the planet. Palpatines force storm itself can cause far more damage than what nihilus has done seeing that palpatine destroyed a large portion of the coruscant surface
Again! Here is a quote for you to check:
"The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force"
Source: Unseen, Unheard.
And so far I have seen Palpatine' Force Storm destroying a fleet but on the other-hand, Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique devastated a planet.
Now a planet is far more bigger in mass and far more stronger than any man-made machine. So it won't get shattered to pieces like a man-made machine would from a Force attack, no matter how powerful, unless you have got a Death Star to use on it.
And the terms like vastly destructable and virtually unstoppable can also apply to Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique because when it is unleashed, nothing can stop it and it will kill any thing touched by the Force that gets trapped in it and will also destroy man-made structures in the process.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
No it does not, use nihilus "force sever" on a person and compare it to palpatine using storm on one person, see which causes more damage. Try using nihilus technique on a fleet of warships, it wont work, try nihilus technique on the eclipse, it wouldnt work whereas palpatines storm can do everything from ravaging a planets surface ,destroy the rebel armada, bend space and time and teleporting luke halfway across the galaxy.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Force storm beats force sever by a very large margin
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Can nihilus force severing technique destroy space and time? No it can't,
Now do you even understand the meaning of word "rival" or do you not? It simply means "being close" or "being a competitor."
Originally posted by GahLakTus
There was at the least something left after nihilus attacked katarr whereas when palpatines storm struck there was nothing left seeing it all gets dissintigrated.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Right how i forgot wormholes/blackholes are stated to be the most destructive force in the universe
I must tell you! Manslayer! You are a master of making fuss over arguments that don't warrant it. Don't do this in future.
Originally posted by Ultra Omega
Wow, those are some longting posts. I'll get to most of them later, but because he was so incredibly rude, I think I'll get to Daft Hord's now.
Rude? Whenever in my post above did I insult you or call you a name? I was trying to have formal discussion but you obviously would rather insult me.
1. There was an entirely separate Order of darksiders in working order at the time, actual Ancient Sith, and there was no sense of communication between the two one bit.
An order that we know absolutely nothing about. For all we know they could have been around before since the Great Hyperspace war meaning they would be around longer than Nadd, and even before Exar Kunwhich was 40 years earlier than Revan's sith. They could have even predated the sith empire of Ragnos.
2. Revan's Sith Order was built with the ultimate goal of combating the actual legitimate Sith.
That is true that was Revan's original goal before he started. But he adopted all the sith philosophies and became a sith lord and reopened the korriban academy and was because of the surviving sith of his empire would eventually lead to the sith that would eventually be lead by Ruin. Both groups are sith, Revan,Malak,Nihilus,Sion, Traya are all sith they have been regarded as sith throughout time. And for all we know the "true sith" Could be member of the sith species not apart of the cult or sith empire of marka ragnos. Since after Adas defeated the Rakatan since they did posses the technology to relocate themselves. We don't know.
As for Bane, and his Order, clearly you can't have read Bane of the Sith, where Bane -shortly before establishing the Rule of 2- actually studies out of a Holocron found in Nadd's tomb (either Nadd's Holocron, or an Ancient Sith's Holocron that Nadd would have learnt from). Holocrons generally contain more than just a gatekeeper, but a link to the actual spirit of the Gatekeeper, meaning it's extremely possible that Bane would have learnt directly from a true Sith Lord, and deemed worthy by one of them. Either way, George Lucas actually fully recognises Bane as a true Dark Lord of the Sith, meaning he is. The same would apply to his Order, including Dooku and Maul.
Um i have read but I have also read Path of Destruction (which we know came out more recently) and I know you read it too. In which Revan's holocron also talks about the rule of two. Revan's holocron clearly said:This is also the reason there can only be one Dark Lord. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak another must rise to seize the mantle. The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be.
Then a little bit latter on it says
Bane was sitting cross-legged on the stone floor of the central chamber on the Rakatan Temple's uppermost floor. He was meditating on Revan's words as he had often done between the Holocron's lessons. Now that the artifact was gone, it was even more important to contemplate what he had learned about the nature of the dark side . . . and the path it would lead him down.
During this point the narrator states this( i apologize for it being a little long)
This was the inescapable paradox of the Sith.Kaan had tried to solve the problem by making everyone equal in the Brotherhood. But his solution was flawed. It showed no understanding of the real problem. No understanding of the true nature of the dark side. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If all are equal, then none is strong. Yet whoever rose from the swollen and bloated ranks of the Sith to claim the mantle of Dark Lord would never be able to hold it. In time the apprentices will unite their strength and overthrow the Master. It is inevitable. Together the weak would overwhelm the strong in a gross perversion of the natural order.But there was another solution. A way to break the endless cycle dragging the Sith down. Bane understood that now. At first he had thought the answer might be to replace the order of the Sith with a single, all-powerful Dark Lord. No other Masters. No apprentices. Just one vessel to contain all the knowledge and power of the dark side. But he had quickly dismissed the idea.Eventually even a Dark Lord would wither and die; all the knowledge of the Sith would be lost. If the leader grows weak, another must rise to seize the mantle. One alone would never work. But if the Sith numbered exactly two. Minions and servants could be drawn in to the service of the dark side by the temptation of power. They could be given small tastes of what it offered, as an owner might share morsels from the table with his faithful curs. In the end, however, there could be only one true Sith Master. And to serve this Master, there could be only one true apprentice.Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it. The Rule of Two .This was the knowledge that would lead the dark side into a new age. A revelation that would bring an end to the infighting that had defined the order for a thousand generations. The Sith would be reborn, the new ways
So Revan can received just as much credit as Nadd for the rule of two if not more (depends of the next bane book)
As for Kaan, I personally don't consider him a true Sith Lord, given how he rejected most of their teachings and philosophies and set up his own. I personally doubt the previous Sith Lords would have deemed him worthy. The whole of Path of Destruction heavily hints that he and his Order were pretenders.
And your opinion is not canon no matter what you argue says. Kaan is a sith a bad one at that yet still a sith. Whether you recognize him as one or not And the same goes for anyother sith lord you have mentioned as not being one since they are recognized as being sith in every source book or any star wars material period.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHow does cutting something off the force equate to being as destructive as something which can destroy a SSD, ravage the surface of an entire planet, destroy space and time and what so ever?Now this is the real problem. You don't even properly understand the nature of Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique. His attack kills every kind of life-form, whether it is Force Sensitive or not. Now since most kinds of life-forms in the SW Universe are touched by the Force, so Nihilus' attack kills anything that is touched by the Force.
EDIT, Did you actually read my posts? I asked how does his technique, which targest those strong in the force and living beings destroy a man made structure?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo, The real question is, do you understand?
Now you understand?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBillions of lifeforms? I saw more volcanoes than forest there friend, i didn't even see oceans and prove that it was a very big planet seeing that a city could be clearly seen clearly in good detail from orbit as oppossed to earth where you see green and blue in orbit and hardly can see any man made structures save for the great wall of china clearly [/n]Katarr was a planet and planets are usually big enough to harbour billions of life-forms.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAccording to this scan, there is only one city
[B]Now the density of the population of Katarr is actually unknown. But since there were several cities on that planet, it indicates that perhaps millions were living on that planet.
Notice that this scan backs my claim that it isn't a large planet?
Compare that orbital view with this :
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDReally? The 2004 tsunami also has been described to have taken countless lives when we very well know the death toll is near 200 000, The recent cyclone in bangladesh killed countless people when we estimate the death toll is near 30 000.
But for a better idea, keep the below mentioned quote in mind:"The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of [b]countless
lives."Source: Unseen, Unheard
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Now why is the word countless used? Because we don't know the exact figure and judging from the size of katarr and only seeing one city and seeing the fact that miralukas have been stated to be rare, i doubt the death toll even hit near a million or even 100 000
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight because no other power rivals it. I can even speculate exars amulets are on par simply because his blasts can dissintigrate his foes instantly and that is the same out come a force storm does but does it mean it rivals the force wormhole? Hell no it does not
Where?This is what is mentioned in Wookieepedia: "Force storm was a dark side Force power, and [b]possibly
the most powerful Force ability known." [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDangerous does not necessarily equate to powerful
Even I have said that his Force Storm (Worm Hole) is possibly the most dangerous technique. Want me to provide a quote?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDKeyword greatest not strongest and how i forget that palpatine knows how to destroys ones bond too.
And Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique is also said to be among the greatest of all the Sith techniques.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRivals in terms of danger and usefulness? Yes but in power? No
The point is that both these techniques are extremely deadly to life-forms and can cause devastation on a massive scale. So what I am saying is that Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique simply rivals Palpatine' Force Storm in this case.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCan nihilus bond force sever destroy massive 17.5 km ships, destroy a super armada, destroy and bend time and space?
Your original claim was that palpatine' Force Storm is [b]far more powerful than Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique. I just disagree with this claim and I have a valid reason to do so.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDoes that mean he talks and his talking is the thing which kills them? No it does not.
"My people never saw his face when he struck—but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDProve that it is an instant attack, and i never said it is telepathic in nature, i just said when he killed them, he could have spoken to them at the same time hence the famous quote by visas is spoken
It clearly describes that how Nihilus' Super Force Feeding attack works. It might be telepathic in nature but it can cause destruction on an immense level with great speed.
Again for such a dangerous and powerful technique, it would at the least take a few mere seconds to generate the attack such as palpatines force storm unless you can prove it is instant.
Now i need to ask a question, did nihilus try to break the exiles bond when she confronted him? Because i have been argueing that the orange lightning is not bond breaking ability nihilus tried to use but if you can answer that then ill concede my arguement with that dick head nebaris, you see he tried to argue that sion resisted nihilus force sever which is impossible when nihilus never used it and insisted the orange lightning he used on sion is the same nature on the exile.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNothing backed your claim that his talking is the thing killing the people
So don't argue with me about this because a canon source backs my point.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDReally? So yoru saying he destroyed a planet?
You don't need to teach me English. The meaning of my point is already clear to those who can understand English well.Again! Here is a quote for you to check:
"The [b]destruction
of Katarr echoed through the Force"Source: Unseen, Unheard.
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"I did not mean to draw comparisons between Katarr and Malachor… my homeworld still exists. It is… intact. The planet was not destroyed, it remains… it orbits, dead in space, but nothing lives on its surface. It echoes, but there is no one left to hear it."
¯Visas Marr
That ALONE indicates he killed what was ON the planet, because if he were to drain the planets energy, why would he need to go to an area where there are jedi? Why can't he drain dark side worlds where they are rich in the force? Simple, because he can't drain energy or kill a planet, unlike palpatine who drained byss.
And so far I have seen Palpatine' Force Storm destroying a fleet but on the other-hand, Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique devastated a planet.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSorry, he didn't destroy the planet, listen to viasas, she herself stated he killed the living things ON katarr
Now a planet is far more bigger in mass and far more stronger than any man-made machine. So it won't get shattered to pieces like a man-made machine would from a Force attack, no matter how powerful, unless you have got a Death Star to use on it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDUnstoppable? Sorry but have you heard of the fallanasi technique? Do you know the nature of nihilus attack?
And the terms like vastly destructable and virtually unstoppable can also apply to Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique because when it is unleashed, nothing can stop it and it will kill any thing touched by the Force that gets trapped in it and will also destroy man-made structures in the process.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhat the fu*k are you talking about? DO YOU UNDERSTAND the nature of his attack? He merely breaks the bonds between his victims and the force which is what kills them, his power DOES NOT manifest itself as anything.
Don't try to confuse the very nature of these two powers. But since Nihilus' attack destroyed everything on Katarr, it means that it can easily decimate man-made structures as well.
Wow so just because a butcher knife can kill a human, it means it can kill a whale. Nice logic legend.
Prove that his bond breaker, the one which is considered his most dangerous technique, can destroy a fleet of warships, oh right if he could do that, then WHY did he need to bring a fleet of warships to telos to defend his starship from being attacked by the republic fleet?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLets see... you use the bond breaking ability on someone, he dies but his body remains there, use a force storm, the vicitms body dissintigrates and all that remains is dust, oh wait seeing its so destructive it turns to nothing.
In terms of destroying materials, it would be more deadly.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMight be more dangerous? Oh no it is more dangerous seeing that his storm can cause even greater destruction on a planets surface as we saw what he did to the imperial sector on coruscant,
This is why I said before that Palpatine' Force Storm might be more dangerous. Still Nihilus' Super Force Feeding technique rivals it in terms of causing death and destruction on planets.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDoes not change the fact palpatines force storm > a technique which breaks the bond between life and the force
Now do you even understand the meaning of word "rival" or do you not? It simply means "being close" or "being a competitor."
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDProve he actually destroyed the planet, if your referring to katarr, he merely attacked that one city, did he destroy the mountains? No he didn't. Did he destroy the landscape? No, was the planet densely populated? NoYou talking about a fleet? Again a planet's mass is far more stronger than any man made structure.
Yet we see palpatines force storm tearing a hole in space, destroy space and time as well as ravaging a planets surface and destroying everything it touches including 6km tall buildings(TPM visual guide), the landscape itself and everything in its path.
Sorry legend, its a fact, force storm > nihilus technique.
Again his technique left something on the planet, the landscape, it was only the rubble of damaged buildings piling ontop one another, the mountains were still there, visas also stated the planet was unharmed and that it was only the living things that got severely devestated
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDFacts > your opinion
A possibility that I have not denied.I must tell you! Manslayer! You are a master of making fuss over arguments that don't warrant it. Don't do this in future.