Superman vs wwh.

Originally posted by Juntai
And it is clearly a case of PIS,

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.

CIS afflicted characters are ones that can't use their powers effectively enough to win fights. That is clearly not Superman. While the above certainly defines comics where he's matched against someone far less powerful.

I don't think its PIS if it possibly relating to a poor defensive fighting style... or a natural tendency to allows himself to take hits for moral reasons.

Originally posted by pr1983
as is superman's... relevant, i mean...

Agreed, which bring up another point...In DOS he was both too exhausted and/or too physically damaged to live. His solar energies were clearly tapped.

Hulks regen is fueled by what is claimed to be "an extradimensional unlimited source of gamma" and is tied to his rage level.

His endurance would outlast Superman, unless he is calmed somehow.

Originally posted by pr1983
must be the ones i wasnt then... if CIS was included, in every fight on this forum he's in superman would spend 90% of the time getting his head kicked in before he measured his opponent just enough so he could take them down... he'd also always hold back...

cyclops would never use his full strength blast...

everyone who fights batman or cap and should beat them might not as they might job...

i'll admit that in some cases, when its something unavoidable (like gladiators confidence), then sure, its applied, but to be honest, did many people come into this thread thinking to themselves that hulk could take it simply because superman was going to fight like he always does and holds back until he realises how much punishment he can dish out and not take hulk's head off?

as is superman's... relevant, i mean...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Agreed, which bring up another point...In DOS he was both too exhausted and/or too physically damaged to live. His solar energies were clearly tapped.

Hulks regen is fueled by what is claimed to be "an extradimensional unlimited source of gamma" and is tied to his rage level.

His endurance would outlast Superman, unless he is calmed somehow.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I don't think its PIS if it possibly relating to a poor defensive fighting style... or a natural tendency to allows himself to take hits for moral reasons.

I would agree with you here if you were talking about regular Superman, but for the purposes of this thread, we are debating WWH vs. Superman as he was portrayed in OWAW. In that arc, Superman was going all out and not goofing around like he normally does. He wasn't fighting politely, he was going straight for the kill against the Imperiex drones using everything he had, after training to fight in a more cut-throat manner.

Originally posted by Juntai
The rules also state that they will fight to best of their ability. Superman's abilities include the power to overwhelm his foes with speed and strength. In fact, that's how a good chunk of his battles end.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I don't think its PIS if it possibly relating to a poor defensive fighting style... or a natural tendency to allows himself to take hits for moral reasons.

It's like me showing you Hulk's durability and regen and infinite strength and stamina not meaning shit to Captain America and Spiderman, in Fallen Son just recently. And then claiming its in his character to get battered around by street levelers and knocked out..

When Superman takes on brawlers he brawls with them. This is how it goes down in comics. This isnt about powersets here its about comic book characters and their behaviors in comics.

I can show you him speed blitzing both Mongul and Lobo, well know brawlers.

Why is this being debated? The topic starter specified that Superman fights how he did in OWAW. I can only assume those arguing back haven't read the story. He fights exactly how he would without PIS/CIS in that story.

Both characters have low showings but this is WW Hulk who is at his best. He uses his mind and is more pissed off than ever, and he could take whatever Superman dished out. And in comics they actually would punch each other in the head a lot. People shouldnt try to cry pis to win an argument.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I can show you him speed blitzing both Mongul and Lobo, well know brawlers, although they both have an unkbow degree of superspeed.

Why is this being debated? The topic starter specified that Superman fights how he did in OWAW. I can only assume those arguing back haven't read the story. He fights exactly how he would without PIS/CIS in that story.

And Supes overwhelms him.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I would agree with you here if you were talking about regular Superman, but for the purposes of this thread, we are debating WWH vs. Superman as he was portrayed in OWAW. In that arc, Superman was going all out and not goofing around like he normally does. He wasn't fighting politely, he was going straight for the kill against the Imperiex drones using everything he had, after training to fight in a more cut-throat manner.

I see your point....

In that case, Regular Hulk in a calmer state would likely get KO's and taken out.

However, World War Hulks feats show that he could take and survive some of Superman's earliest assaults (OWAW style) in this fight. He is already well beyond any calmer states for Hulk.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I can show you him speed blitzing both Mongul and Lobo, well know brawlers, although they both have an unkbow degree of superspeed.

I was going to do that as well. But I figure the speedblitz thread was good enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both characters have low showings but this is WW Hulk who is at his best. He uses his mind and is more pissed off than ever, and he could take whatever Superman dished out. And in comics they actually would punch each other in the head a lot. People shouldnt try to cry pis to win an argument.

Especially when a character is as powerful as Superman with technically "poor showings" in every comic. Based on his potential he should have Lex Luthor instantaneously imprisoned as soon as he escapes. Mongul should have been defeated in minutes.

It just doesn't happen like that in comics though.

Both characters have low showings but this is WW Hulk who is at his best. He uses his mind and is more pissed off than ever, and he could take whatever Superman dished out. And in comics they actually would punch each other in the head a lot. People shouldnt try to cry pis to win an argument.

Why are you so interested in having it go down like it would in the comics? If this was a comic Superman would win by virtue of being Superman.

You know like when a much weaker Superman and Hulk fought back in Marvel/DC.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Especially when a character is as powerful as Superman with technically "poor showings" in every comic. Based on his potential he should have Lex Luthor instantaneously imprisoned as soon as he escapes. Mongul should have been defeated in minutes.

It just doesn't happen like that in comics though.

This isn't a comic book though, and Superman fights to the best of his ability including the ability to overwhelm with speed and strength as he's proven he can do..and Hulks' durability and strength are too much for Steve and Pete. And Batman can't hang with Superman and Wonder Woman enemies.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Why are you so interested in having it go down like it would in the comics? If this was a comic Superman would win by virtue of being Superman.

You know like when a much weaker Superman and Hulk fought back in Marvel/DC.

The problem is that this is WWHulk...an already agitated and pissed form of Hulk.

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(Whats sucks is now Red Hulk is on his way..)

Originally posted by Juntai
It happens to all superpowered characters, like I said about Hulk getting kung-fued down by Steve Rogers and Spiderman in a comic last year. Or Green Arrow taking out Grundy. Or Batman going toe to toe with Metallo and Wonder Woman.

This isn't a comic book though, and Superman fights to the best of his ability including the ability to overwhelm with speed and strength, and Hulks' durability and strength are too much for Steve and Pete. And Batman can't hang with Superman and Wonder Woman enemies.

I understand but you have to take the best of both in that case....
WWH's strength, Durability, and Regenerative abilties allow him to withstand this assault.

Both characters have low showings but this is WW Hulk who is at his best. He uses his mind and is more pissed off than ever, and he could take whatever Superman dished out. And in comics they actually would punch each other in the head a lot. People shouldnt try to cry pis to win an argument.

You don't read Superman comics do you? Mongul hasn't been a threat for over decade. He's usually defeated over the course of a single page or at worse a few pages. His best showing in ages was in Infinite crisis where he manage to get two hits in before Superman dropped him in only a few panels.

Hence why he's now a Green Lantern Villain.

Every face to fight Lex and Superman ends very badly for lex. Lex stays out of jail because he can hid him self from Superman's senses. Both times he's attacked Superman Post IC he's ended up in jail.

Hulk survives for toughness and regenerative reasons mentioned above + his higher durability showings versus people equivalent or beyond Superman's capabilities....Thor, Silver Surver, Thanos etc.

And that's just regular Hulk.