Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Alright, it looks like I need to clear up some shit said on this thread. \Guess what? Droids don't have one atom sized spec of Midichlorians in them. How many times is a droid shattered by TK in SW? That's right, thousands. The only attack Nihilus can't affect Sephiroth with his his most uber technique, the one he kills planetlife with. Not like he needs it.
Intangible? Sephiroth can turn intangible only in FFVII with a body that wasn't even his, after that, he never showed the power.
I find it laughable that people here really think that Sephiroth can surpass any Sith in mind powers, let alone one of the powerful Sith like Sephiroth. Nihilus TKs entire starships, ripping them from the surface of planets, and holding it together in space, even hyperspace. He mentally controls his entire fleet and keeps them alive(so they don't need to eat). Nihilus did this all, even while weakened from hunger, and then was weakened again when he tried to drain Exile, and then, with all this going on, fought Exile, Visas Marr, and Canderous, and was WINNING. He did eventually fall though.
Nihilus can just shut down Sephiroth's feeble arrogant mind, or he can rip him to pieces.
Alright, it looks like I need to clear up some shit said on this thread.
Yes intangible. Jenova's body can turn intangible. What body do you think Sephiroth was using in AC?
Not that he needs the body to win.
Well, lets see... Sephiroth's soul "survived" the entire Lifestream trying to dillute it, he regenerated his body, held back a spell(Holy) with power enough to kill everything on a planet in seconds, while controlling all the clones and Jenova's body. Was holding back Holy while fighting the party, and continued to hold it even after his physical body was destroyed. Ah, and he corrupted the Lifestream taking control over a great part of it and came back in AC more powerful than ever, even after his soul was shattered in pieces at the end of FFVII.
All with the power of his will.
But that isn't important, really. Sephiroth isn't using a body in this fight. It's Nihilus vs Negative Lifestream, magic, and TK. Nihilus can't hurt Sephiroth, but Sephiroth can hurt him and destroy an entire planet in the proccess.
And I already explained this a million of times, but I will do it again. TK is when someone use his/her mental powers to affect the physical world(move or hold objects, push people, etc). Sephiroth was using his mental powers to hold back a magic spell(Holy). This is TK.
In FFVII, "willpower" and "telekinesis" can be considered the same thing.
Originally posted by SHM1. He had Jenova's head and Kadaj as a body. I go by what I see, and I didn't see him go intangible any time but FFVII while controlling that fake body.
Alright, it looks like I need to clear up some shit said on this thread.Yes intangible. Jenova's body can turn intangible. What body do you think Sephiroth was using in AC?
Not that he needs the body to win.Well, lets see... Sephiroth's soul "survived" the entire Lifestream trying to dillute it, he regenerated his body, held back a spell(Holy) with power enough to kill everything on a planet in seconds, while controlling all the clones and Jenova's body. Was holding back Holy while fighting the party, and continued to hold it even after his physical body was destroyed. Ah, and he corrupted the Lifestream taking control over a great part of it and came back in AC more powerful than ever, even after his soul was shattered in pieces at the end of FFVII.
All with the power of his will.But that isn't important, really. Sephiroth isn't using a body in this fight. It's Nihilus vs Negative Lifestream, magic, and TK. Nihilus can't hurt Sephiroth, but Sephiroth can hurt him and destroy an entire planet in the proccess.
And I already explained this a million of times, but I will do it again. TK is when someone use his/her mental powers to affect the physical world(move or hold objects, push people, etc). Sephiroth was using his mental powers to hold back a magic spell(Holy). This is TK.
In FFVII, "willpower" and "telekinesis" can be considered the same thing.
2. And yet none of that even compares to the one feat of holding a ship together during hyperspace(faster than light). He holds his ship together in space, keeps his entire fleet both mind controlled and alive, and feeds on whole planets. He did all this(minus the feeding) in combat while doubly weakened.
3. Yet you have yet to show me Sephiroth doing any of that without a body. If he could, he would have just done it after losing his body in AC, and don't pull that PIS crap here, because if he didn't do it then it is obvious the creators didn't intend for him to have the power if he didn't use it the one time he would have needed it.
4. How powerful is Holy? It can destroy a planet over time, compared to Nihilus who did it near instantaneously. He did it with his willpower, Holy is not even a truly solid or physical thing, it is energy. Nihilus with a gesture crushes Sephiroth's skull in.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He had Jenova's head and Kadaj as a body. I go by what I see, and I didn't see him go intangible any time but FFVII while controlling that fake body.2. And yet none of that even compares to the one feat of holding a ship together during hyperspace(faster than light). He holds his ship together in space, keeps his entire fleet both mind controlled and alive, and feeds on whole planets. He did all this(minus the feeding) in combat while doubly weakened.
3. Yet you have yet to show me Sephiroth doing any of that without a body. If he could, he would have just done it after losing his body in AC, and don't pull that PIS crap here, because if he didn't do it then it is obvious the creators didn't intend for him to have the power if he didn't use it the one time he would have needed it.
4. How powerful is Holy? It can destroy a planet over time, compared to Nihilus who did it near instantaneously. He did it with his willpower, Holy is not even a truly solid or physical thing, it is energy. Nihilus with a gesture crushes Sephiroth's skull in.
Originally posted by FurionAgain how does jenova come into the picture when we are talking about sephiroth?
If Nihilus possessed Jenova's body, it would be the same as commiting suicide. Seph has control over all J-Cells. Nihilus would be completely under Seph's control.
So what. Seph can teleport.
Seph can simply TK Nihilus when the fight begins then just Sin Harvest him.
I tell you what, because you have not insulted me, ill respect you and take you seriously.
And you can't just assume seph uses sin harvest immediately against nihilus seeing that nihilus can do the same only with a far more destructive power right at the start.
Originally posted by FurionShips are not connected to the force, only living things are.
That's because they're connected to the force. Outside of Star Wars, he isn't as strong.
Originally posted by FurionUh and nihilus TK'ed a ship as large as a star destroyer which is 1.7km long, Thats far greater than sephs TK abilities.
He TKed about 5 or 7 people while he held back holy which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nihilus.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWhile i agree with you in most cases, just note a few things you got wrong about DN.
1. He had Jenova's head and Kadaj as a body. I go by what I see, and I didn't see him go intangible any time but FFVII while controlling that fake body.2. And yet none of that even compares to the one feat of holding a ship together during hyperspace(faster than light). He holds his ship together in space, keeps his entire fleet both mind controlled and alive, and feeds on whole planets. He did all this(minus the feeding) in combat while doubly weakened.
3. Yet you have yet to show me Sephiroth doing any of that without a body. If he could, he would have just done it after losing his body in AC, and don't pull that PIS crap here, because if he didn't do it then it is obvious the creators didn't intend for him to have the power if he didn't use it the one time he would have needed it.
4. How powerful is Holy? It can destroy a planet over time, compared to Nihilus who did it near instantaneously. He did it with his willpower, Holy is not even a truly solid or physical thing, it is energy. Nihilus with a gesture crushes Sephiroth's skull in.
Firstly he never TK'ed a fleet, it was stated he only lifted his ship aka the ravager.
Secondly he destroyed what was on the planet which is the living organisms, he didn't actually destroy the planet itself.
Sephiroth turned intagengeable multiple times during FFVII, the difference between the body in FFVII and AC, is FFVII was just parts of the body of Jenova so he had some of the powers, while AC Sephiroth was 100% Jenova it was stated in the reunion files and ultimania omega guide,
Here is one of the times i found (2:50)
YouTube video
Not only was it clearly seen that Sephiroth was toying around and that he couldve killed Cloud at anytime, it was even stated by the creators that he didnt exert himself at all in that fight, nor did he use any of his powers, all he did was a melee swordfight in which he didnt even try at that either.
We have yet to see even the limits of Sephiroth TK abilities, so dont go saying DN >>>> Sephiroth in TK
He has been stated by the creators more powerful then any other character in the FFVII world that includes Omega, Chaos (who can quake the planet in one blow), and even the goddess minerva herself.
Originally posted by Terryc250Hey pal, gameplay mechanics are not canon and thus cannot be used in a debate.
Sephiroth turned intagengeable multiple times during FFVII, the difference between the body in FFVII and AC, is FFVII was just parts of the body of Jenova so he had some of the powers, while AC Sephiroth was 100% Jenova it was stated in the reunion files and ultimania omega guide,Here is one of the times i found (2:50)
YouTube video
Oh wait so jenova has intangibility so it means sephiroth MUST have it too, then how come and zack and cloud or any douchebag from SOLDIER don't have any form of intangibility seeing that they have been injected with a reasonable amount of jenova cells?
Originally posted by Terryc250Right despite sephiroth "predicting the future" as you claim? Despite knowing all of clouds moves and STILL wanting to toy with cloud DESPITE the fact he for saw his own death? If he can for see everything in the future as you claim, why didnt he for see his own death?
Not only was it clearly seen that Sephiroth was toying around and that he couldve killed Cloud at anytime, it was even stated by the creators that he didnt exert himself at all in that fight, nor did he use any of his powers, all he did was a melee swordfight in which he didnt even try at that either.
Your a hypocrite pal, again prove that he can "see the future and predict every of his opponents moves" or he wouldn't have gotten killed... twice.
Originally posted by Terryc250
We have yet to see even the limits of Sephiroth TK abilities, so dont go saying DN >>>> Sephiroth in TK
You will be able to swallow and walk again in no time.
But theres enough evidence to place DN higher than sephiroth so you fail.
Originally posted by Terryc250"(who can quake the planet in one blow), "? Gameplay mechanics? Non-canon?
He has been stated by the creators more powerful then any other character in the FFVII world that includes Omega, Chaos (who can quake the planet in one blow), and even the goddess minerva herself.
You know what the fact is mr terry? Your a raging hormone fanboy of sephiroth, hell at the constant rate your sucking, his cock will likely dissolve soon anyways. Poor sephiroth.
Originally posted by Ivalice
Right despite sephiroth "predicting the future" as you claim? Despite knowing all of clouds moves and STILL wanting to toy with cloud DESPITE the fact he for saw his own death? If he can for see everything in the future as you claim, why didnt he for see his own death?Your a hypocrite pal, again prove that he can "see the future and predict every of his opponents moves" or he wouldn't have gotten killed...
He died just like DN did.
Seeing the future doesn't always mean you can change it.
Originally posted by Ivalice
Hey pal, gameplay mechanics are not canon and thus cannot be used in a debate.
Oh wait, so when Sephiroth is able to use some of its power and go intangeable(FFVII Sephiroth), that means when he has 100% of his powers he CANT go intangeable(AC Sephiroth)? Wow.. just wow.
Oh wait so jenova has intangibility so it means sephiroth MUST have it too, then how come and zack and cloud or any douchebag from SOLDIER don't have any form of intangibility seeing that they have been injected with a reasonable amount of jenova cells?
Right despite sephiroth "predicting the future" as you claim? Despite knowing all of clouds moves and STILL wanting to toy with cloud DESPITE the fact he for saw his own death? If he can for see everything in the future as you claim, why didnt he for see his own death?Your a hypocrite pal, again prove that he can "see the future and predict every of his opponents moves" or he wouldn't have gotten killed... twice.
This is where you're absolutely wrong, terry(but that's nothing new, eh?). It's whatever I say. And I -- your esteemed lord, master, and God -- say that you've yet to prove a damn thing. You work on improving your logic, and I give you my solemn vow that I will use my "phenomenal, cosmic powers!!11!!!oneone1!" to remove sephiroths's cock from your mouth and ff7/AC from your ass.
"(who can quake the planet in one blow), "? Gameplay mechanics? Non-canon?
You know what the fact is mr terry? Your a raging hormone fanboy of sephiroth, hell at the constant rate your sucking, his cock will likely dissolve soon anyways. Poor sephiroth. [/B]
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He had Jenova's head and Kadaj as a body. I go by what I see, and I didn't see him go intangible any time but FFVII while controlling that fake body.
If you go by what you see, than you are talking about a Sephiroth full of CIS and PIS. Because this is what we see in AC.
2. And yet none of that even compares to the one feat of holding a ship together during hyperspace(faster than light). He holds his ship together in space, keeps his entire fleet both mind controlled and alive, and feeds on whole planets. He did all this(minus the feeding) in combat while doubly weakened.
And Seph held back a spell with power to destroy a planet in seconds even after his physical body was destroyed in battle.
After Nihilus soul is shattered in pieces and he still comes back more powerful than ever, than we can talk.
3. Yet you have yet to show me Sephiroth doing any of that without a body. If he could, he would have just done it after losing his body in AC, and don't pull that PIS crap here, because if he didn't do it then it is obvious the creators didn't intend for him to have the power if he didn't use it the one time he would have needed it.
What about creating Yazoo Loz and Kadaj, without a body? What about summoning the NL with his mind?
And do you think Cloud(and Avalanche) was his only enemy? The planet itself was too. After Cloud kicked his ass, Aerith(more powerful than ever) and the planet came, purifying everything.
Cloud weakened him a little, giving the oportunity to Aerith and the planet to act.
4. How powerful is Holy? It can destroy a planet over time, compared to Nihilus who did it near instantaneously. He did it with his willpower, Holy is not even a truly solid or physical thing, it is energy.
"Over time"? LOL
No. It can destroy a planet in seconds. In the end of FFVII we see Holy coming out of the Northern Crater and reaching Midgar(located in another continent) in seconds.
Sephiroth with a gesture crushes Nihilus' skull in.
Fixed.
Originally posted by MadMel
agreed 100%
these seph fanboys are almost as bad as nebaris
Nothing is worst than obssesed SW fanboys.
Originally posted by Terryc250Excuse me? How am i getting owned? Oh right i'm not seeing the fact that its the other way around, but fine ill concede this point, again is it combat relevant, why didn't he use it against his fight with cloud in AC when he had AMPLE time to do so? Even if he was holding back, at the very moment cloud wanted to perform his almighty omnislash, he had like what? 5 seconds to do so?
How the fcuk is that gameplay mechanic? Thats just ur desperate attempt excuse from getting pwned. So then 99.5% of the game is not canon? Lol idiot
But hey i guess it isn't combat relevant seeing that he still gets killed in ff7 and gets killed AGAIN in AC.
Originally posted by Terryc250i'll ask you again, if his "intangibility" is combat relevant, WHY does he NEVER USE it when he had the chance to on SO many occasions?
Oh wait, so when Sephiroth is able to use some of its power and go intangeable(FFVII Sephiroth), that means when he has 100% of his powers he CANT go intangeable(AC Sephiroth)? Wow.. just wow.
Oh thats right! It is NOT combat relevant seeing that he never uses it during battle or it could be due to the fact that it isn't useful in combat situation.
Originally posted by Terryc250And wouldn't having SOME cells equate to having SOME of its power? Or are you far too stupid to realise that?
SOLDIERS are infused with some jenova CELLS, do you not realize the difference between SOME CELLS(Soldiers), and BODY PARTS(FFVII Seph),
If you actually had the intellect of a 12 year old kid you would understand what i just typed, but seeing that you don't even have the intelligence of a 5 year old child, ill continue to argue and tear all your assertions to shreds.
Originally posted by Terryc250Dude, speak of the devil, YOU need to use common sense or better yet GROW a new brain.
and 100% BODIES(AC Seph)? Use a bit of common sense please.
If 100% of jenova cells can infuse intangibility into sephiroth, a few percent would STILL infuse SOME of the intangibility power on its user.
Again, do you or do you not understand?
Originally posted by Terryc250Point?
Cells are able to turn regular humans into bullet dodging building chopping soldiers, imagine how powerful the entire being is.
Originally posted by Terryc250It was by your boyfriend SHM, i misread it and thought it was you seeing that you masturbate to sephiroth porn.
Quote me where i said that u f*ckin tard, the first fight was against party members who were fully weapon equipped with matera, etc, while holding back holy at the same time.You mean this "
And talking about "precognition"... Jenova cells have the power of reading the mind of others. Sephiroth is 100% Jenova in AC.
He knows everything Nihilus will do, before he does it.
Originally posted by Terryc250And he had ample time to do so! Remember before cloud performed his omnislash? He had AMPLE time to use his "intangibility" if it were actually combat relevant.
The second fight was PIS, nor did he use any of his powers, nor did he even try, yet he was still able to kill Cloud at anytime during that fight
Or maybe its due to the fact it takes him a LONG time to even become intangible hence he couldn't use it in a fight.
Again even if he was being stupid, at the very last moment when he knew he was going to die, he would have gotten serious and used his "intangibility" if it were actually combat relevant.
Originally posted by Terryc250Hey son it isn't my fantasy, i'm merely dictating your life story here 😆 😆 😆 😆
.. I thought i told you to not bring in ur homosexual fantasies here, this is a debating forum, not some sick homosexual board talk.. come on man.. is it that hard to hold in? Its disgusting and i'm sure doesnt need see it either, go look for a VG homosexual character fetish forum board if you want to say disturbing crap like that, not here.
Originally posted by Terryc250You DO know vincent is an optional character right and does NOT appear in any FMV sequence right hence it is ambigious right?
Do you know who Chaos Vincent is? He basically nuked Omega with a blow, which quaked the planet, it happened during the ending, so you can't make a horrible attempt at saying "ZOMG g4MePL4Y
Originally posted by Terryc250Again its your lifestory.
oh..my..god.. I honestly think you need some help. Extremely disturbing fetish you have.
Originally posted by EvilAngelSo he can't do anything about something he could easily and effortlessly change and at the same time having AMPLE time to do so?Seeing the future doesn't always mean you can change it.
Your more idiotic than i ever thought. Hey "IdiotAngel". Doesn't it suck that you spend your entire life in this forum and can't win a single arguement? Or do you masturbate at ff7 porn far too often until it decreases your IQ?
Originally posted by SHMDude nothing is worse than ffvii fanboys, "Its the best game ever!!!!! it has the best graphics ever!!!!" Let alone someone like you who wanks everytime he sees a poster of sephiroth giving cloud a blow job.Nothing is worst than obssesed SW fanboys.
@Terry
Before you go crying to the mods that i "insulted" you and told your lifestory, please DO take note that you "barked" back so that means we are pretty much in the same boat.
I don't know. I guess you either love him or hate him.
But Ivalice is taking it to a new level. How he can say stuff liek that and get away with a warning is truely beyond me
Originally posted by Ivalice
So he can't do anything about something he could [b]easily and effortlessly change and at the same time having AMPLE time to do so?Your more idiotic than i ever thought. Hey "IdiotAngel". Doesn't it suck that you spend your entire life in this forum and can't win a single arguement? Or do you masturbate at ff7 porn far too often until it decreases your IQ?[/B]
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He orginates from the Sar Wars vs. forum, as do I.We're a different breed. Much more aggressive.
Aggressive? As if. Just stupid. How are you going to convince someone their wrong by making them angry? "This guy wins because you're an idiot" .....riiiiight 😐
Solve nothing, make enemies, and prove your own density. If that's how you debate remind me never to bother
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Aggressive? As if. Just stupid. How are you going to convince someone their wrong by making them angry? "This guy wins because you're an idiot" .....riiiiight 😐
Eh, it works in SW VS. You should see the old Antedluvian. Those guys were crazy with the insults.
If that's how you debate remind me never to bother
You've debated with me before. I haven't frequented the SWVF for over a year.