Darth Nihilus vs. AC Sephiroth

Originally posted by Ivalice
Excuse me? How am i getting owned? Oh right i'm not seeing the fact that its the other way around, but fine ill concede this point, again is it combat relevant, why didn't he use it against his fight with cloud in AC when he had AMPLE time to do so? Even if he was holding back, at the very moment cloud wanted to perform his almighty omnislash, he had like what? 5 seconds to do so?
Yet he chose to stay there in the air like an idiot and let cloud slash him.

i'll ask you again, if his "intangibility" is combat relevant, WHY does he NEVER USE it when he had the chance to on SO many occasions?

And wouldn't having SOME cells equate to having SOME of its power? Or are you far too stupid to realise that?

If you actually had the intellect of a 12 year old kid you would understand what i just typed, but seeing that you don't even have the intelligence of a 5 year old child, ill continue to argue and tear all your assertions to shreds.

If 100% of jenova cells can infuse intangibility into sephiroth, a few percent would STILL infuse SOME of the intangibility power on its user.

It was by your boyfriend SHM, i misread it and thought it was you seeing that you masturbate to sephiroth porn.

And he had ample time to do so! Remember before cloud performed his omnislash? He had AMPLE time to use his "intangibility" if it were actually combat relevant.

Hey son it isn't my fantasy, i'm merely dictating your life story here 😆 😆 😆 😆

You DO know vincent is an optional character right and does NOT appear in any FMV sequence right hence it is ambigious right?

Terry, I believe I just called for insults to be stopped. If I see that again you will receive a warning.

1. About Sephiroth seeing into the future and being defeated, Isn't Palpatine supposed to be able to see into the future? How did Anakin manage to kill Palpatine then?
2. Jenova is Sephiroth's body. If Nihilus possessed it, Seph would completely control him.
3. Sephiroth is made of pure J-Cells. Nihilus can't crush Seph's skull seeing as he doesn't have one.

how would Sephiroth control someone if theyve already taken control of him, then he wouldnt be anything, hes already taken control of, so he couldnt make the decision to do it

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He orginates from the Sar Wars vs. forum, as do I.

We're a different breed. Much more aggressive.

That's one of the reasons why I said there is nothing worst in the internet, than obssesed SW fanboys... In my opinion.

Originally posted by Burning thought
how would Sephiroth control someone if theyve already taken control of him, then he wouldnt be anything, hes already taken control of, so he couldnt make the decision to do it

They can take physical control of the body, unlike normal people whos minds exist within their physical body, Sephiroths mind can exist outside of the physical body, and control every j-cell on the planet.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Plot Induced Stupidity, get it through ur head, in DBZ why does Cell bother fighting everyone when he can just go into space and blow up the planet? Why is DN still able to get hit with lightsabers if he can be intageable? There are tons of characters that are able to go intangeable, yet they have been physically hit before.

Originally posted by Terryc250

On so many occasions? In FFVII you battle Sephiroth in GAMEPLAY, in KOTOR2 your still able to hit DN in gameplay with lightsabres as well so i dont see your point.

Originally posted by Terryc250

EXACTLY, keyword here, SOME! Soldiers who have SOME cells have superhuman strength, speed, reaction time, etc.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Calm down crybaby, i hope u realize how stupid you look, its ok that ur lover gets owned.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Wow are you dumb? Sephiroth has the WHOLE BODY, Soldiers just have some CELLS, do you know what cells are?

Or is your brain isn't working at the moment terry?

Originally posted by Terryc250

They cant even be known as body parts, theyre microscopic they arent even 0.00000000000001% of the body, having some cells wont give them all of jenovas abilities, all it will do is boost their normal body into superhuman.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Get some help, now.

PIS

Originally posted by Terryc250

Proof of ur ignorance/stupidity right here.

Firstly typing down your life story isn't being ignorant

secondly you started with me, like you try to do with everyone else, only this time you came barking up the wrong tree, homie. You tried to call me out and in the process, you made yourself look EXTREMELY stupid and now everyone is just laughing at you. Even the 40 year old guy who cant get laid, is taking time from looking up kiddie porn, just to stop and laugh at you. LOL...you're a funny little kid...stay up man...and keep your sorry ass, pathetic posts coming, I could use a good laugh before I go to bed. You brighten my whole day.

Originally posted by Terryc250

You DO know that Vincent has his own PS2 game? F*ckin dumbass

Originally posted by Furion
1. About Sephiroth seeing into the future and being defeated, Isn't Palpatine supposed to be able to see into the future? How did Anakin manage to kill Palpatine then?

Originally posted by Furion

2. Jenova is Sephiroth's body. If Nihilus possessed it, Seph would completely control him.

Originally posted by Furion
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3. Sephiroth is made of pure J-Cells. Nihilus can't crush Seph's skull seeing as he doesn't have one. [/B]

Originally posted by SHM
That's one of the reasons why I said there is nothing worst in the internet, than obssesed SW fanboys... In my opinion.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Aggressive?

Originally posted by EvilAngel

As if. Just stupid.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Solve nothing, make enemies, and prove your own density. If that's how you debate remind me never to bother

Ivalice, you have received a warning for continual insults.

1. Seph has control over all J-Cells. He took control over Cloud numerous times in FF7 because he had a few J-Cells in him.
2. But did you see Sephiroth bleed? Cloud was bleeding when he got stabbed by Sephiroth but he didn't bleed at all when Cloud did his limit break.

Originally posted by Terryc250
They can take physical control of the body, unlike normal people whos minds exist within their physical body, Sephiroths mind can exist outside of the physical body, and control every j-cell on the planet.

hmm i see, you would have to take his soul to take his mind, ime not sure this sith lord can take the soul

Who the hell cares if Seph has a skull, he crushes what appears to be his head.

Don't say DN's TK is>Sephiroth's because Seph's hasn't been fully shown? Sorry, but I refuse to assume that a punk ass that has only ever shown limited TK is greater than Nihilus in a department he has shown to be particuarily powerful at.

Holy takes seconds to do, Nihilus' command over the Force is so great with a word he kills all the life on planets(Ivalice, I know he doesn't actually destroy the planet). That shows his sheer command of it, he has shown more as well, and in combat he has shown to be able to effectively mix different Force powers at the same time.

Nihilus only lifted a ship? I thought it was said he lifted his fleet?

Sephiroth only has shown intangibility once, with a body that wasn't his. I mean honestly, there are only three possible reasons to explain why he only used it once.

A. Only this body has it(most likely).
B. It is combat efficient(also likely).
C. He's too much of a dumbass to use it when he really needs it(the one that hurts his credibility most). And claim PIS all you want, fact is he is always depicted as an arrogant moron who always goes easy on Cloud.

Sephiroth can make beings from the NL, true, but he has not shown the power to use it destructively without a body. He had to call it with his hand for one, if he can do all this shit without a body...why hasn't he done it?

Overall, this is a stomp. Nihilus is one of the most powerful Sith(no, not on Sidious' level though, I'm not a blind fanboy) who causes death by being in other's presence, his presence and speech themselves cause death, Sephiroth lacks any Force Power, Nihilus can honestly with his presence just enslave Sephiroth like he did his whole fleet.

Originally posted by SHM
That's one of the reasons why I said there is nothing worst in the internet, than obssesed SW fanboys... In my opinion.

Noted.

But I doubt that you've been to every forum on the internet. So..

My god.
1. Nihlius would NEVER enslave Sephiroth. Sephiroh avoided being sucked into the Lifestream with his will alone. Sephiroth's will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nihilus's fleet.
2. Crush what? J-Cells? It wouldn't do anything.
3. His presence and speech only cause death on Force Worlds. That information is relativley worthless outside of Star Wars besides showing his mastery over the force.
Sephiroth summons Nega-Lifestream and Implodes Nihilus.

Nihlus farts and a massive force concussion from the blast incinerates Sephiroth.

C wat I did thar?

Originally posted by Furion
My god.
1. Nihlius would NEVER enslave Sephiroth. Sephiroh avoided being sucked into the Lifestream with his will alone. Sephiroth's will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nihilus's fleet.
2. Crush what? J-Cells? It wouldn't do anything.
3. His presence and speech only cause death on Force Worlds. That information is relativley worthless outside of Star Wars besides showing his mastery over the force.
Sephiroth summons Nega-Lifestream and Implodes Nihilus.

2. Yet cutting them worked fine. 😬

3. His presence caused it to individuals and enslaved them, and Sephiroth has no training or Force Powers himselve, he won't be able to block it.

Originally posted by Ivalice
[B]Exactly! Because it is not combat relevant. Even still with PIS, he would have at least once in his lifetime demonstrate it in a combat situation

My point dumbass is that if his tangibility is combat relevant he would have used it, and gameplay mechanics ARE NOT CANON. Meaning what takes place in game isn't, only the cutscenes are. Because in k2, i can run around DN in circles dozens of times in gameplay but does that mean it is actually canon that i did?
Intangibility? No?

How i look? Dude have you actually seen how i looked in real life? And if i were actually crying, how would i gave been cool the entire time? Or maybe its because your far too idiotic to realise that huh(but thats nothing new seeing your level of intelligence). Dude, neither i nor any character has gotten owned save for your childish intellect and your idiotic unsupported arguments.

Dude, your so stupid to a point you couldn't even comprehend what i just typed LET ALONE have basic reading skills. If having jenova cells would give you intangibility, having some of it would give you Some of intangibility as well right?

Or is your brain isn't working at the moment terry?
Again having some cells would equate to having some of its power, intangibility? Because scientifically all of jenovas power would originate in DNA coding which would exist in each cell.

"ur"? Can you learn to spell son? I may have mispelled a word but that was because i mispelled it purposely, just look at your list, its a great example of human stupidity man you make a dead pigeon look like albert einstein.

Firstly typing down your life story isn't being ignorant

secondly you started with me, like you try to do with everyone else, only this time you came barking up the wrong tree, homie. You tried to call me out and in the process, you made yourself look EXTREMELY stupid and now everyone is just laughing at you. Even the 40 year old guy who cant get laid, is taking time from looking up kiddie porn, just to stop and laugh at you. LOL...you're a funny little kid...stay up man...and keep your sorry ass, pathetic posts coming, I could use a good laugh before I go to bed. You brighten my whole day.

You DO know that was after ff7 right and i was talking about ff7 NOT doc? Or are you too blind to read?

Fair enough, ill drop the insults and debate seriously and civily. Insult again terry and you WILL get brutally insulted this time.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He has been shown to demonstrate it on numorous occasins in FFVII, ive already shown you once

Originally posted by Terryc250

Its not "GAMEPLAY MECHANICS" gameplay mechanics would be what happened in gameplay battle, Sephiroth has been in about a total of 3-4 cinematics in FFVII which are about 1-2 minutes long each, you clearly see Sephiroth travelling through solid objects during FFVII.

Again can you actually prove he can become intangible at will and instantly? For him not to even demonstrate it during a fight brings up the issue of weather it CAN be used in a fight or WHY he doesn't use it.

-It takes alot of concentration to do so
-It takes a while to become intangible rather than instantly
-Or maybe its only immune to physical attacks seeing that shadowcat has been harmed by energy based attackswhich nihilus seems to be very proficient in.

^ Those are posibilities.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Did i say in real life? I meant how you look on this board, you obviously are no "cool" your throwing a temper tantrum at every board member who is putting down ur beloved SW character.

Again how exactly are you putting my "beloved" SW character? I was only making a case simply due to the fact that you think it would be pwnage on sephiroths side, hell and since now im serious ill admit one thing, it would NOT be ownage on either side, if either were to fall it would be an intense battle.

Oh FYI i hate DN, just because i use facts and argue for him does not mean i'm a fanboy, hell of all the star wars characters, i only like (and seriously like) vader,exar kun, Luke skywalker and darth bane, thats about it.

And honestly speaking, nihilus is a pathetic excuse for a character.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Having Jenovas cells does not give you intangeability, BEING jenova does. Even if it were true that would mean you have 0.00000000000001% intangeability? Makes no sense.

Originally posted by Terryc250

No it does not, having some cells doesn't give you all of Jenova's abilitys, some powers come from Jenovas brain, or different parts of her body, having some cells that came from her feet would do nothing but give the person a physical boost.

But seeing that they didn't get any form of intangibility, this brings up a few controversies.

You can't argue against this terry, this is based on science (i'm not going to insult).

Originally posted by Terryc250

One question, is this an essay? Obviously i spelled "ur" like that on purpose, its easier and even a 5 year old can understand it, once again its so sad what people resort to when they lose a debate haha

Sorry pal but i'm not losing the debate and neither are you winning seeing i refuted almost every of your claims.

Again calling out on your horrible spelling has no relevance to me losing a debate, so if a lawyer tells me to speak proper english because i'm speaking horrible english in a debate does it mean he is losing the debate? Hell no.

One advice, know what the hell your talking about, secondly, if you actually want to be taken seriously, at LEAST spell properly or if you are too lazy, use the spell check.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Not knowing a fraction of my life and claiming you know all about my life, is both stupid and ignorant, even a 7 year old can tell you that.

Originally posted by Terryc250

I look extremely stupid? Your utterly embarassing yourself by getting owned,

Originally posted by Terryc250

and throwing a temper tantrum like a child, its quite funny actually.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Uhh.. FFVII, AC, BC, CC, DOC are all sequals and prequals to one another, this debate is not limited to just one of its games

thing is, you are all bitching about intangibility and immortality when the true fulcrum of this balance is speed..
whoever is faster wins, since they can both imobalize the other..
since DN is faster he wins, because he is capable of insta - force gripping seph's "body", giving DN free reign to unleash whatever ownage he likes...even if seph could turn intangible, it wont be of any use against a mental attack such as force grip, or pehaps, force 'rip-limbs-off'...even with seph's jenova cell body, he could still feel the immense pain of having his limbs being pulled off..😬

if Cloud can damage Sephiroth in several ways then so can this guy and most other gaming characters...

PIS and CIS is nothing to do with durability unless someone wants to show me proof of Sephiroth reducing his durability every time Cloud owns him

Ivalice, so uncalled for.

I'm confused. Sephiroth TK or 'Wilpower' was strong enough to hold back a force that could destoy the planet.

DN's was strong enough to hold together his fleet.....

IMO Sephiroth shows much more power. How is it that you see it otherwise?

Another question is, if it were to be accepted as fact that Sephiroth's was TK as claimed, would that mean Sephiroth would win?