Originally posted by SHMOwned!
You are the fangirl here. And yes, assumptions. You always uses them.You said Kuja's Ultima is instant. An assumption contradicted by the game itself.
You said Kuja wasn't using Ultima at full power on Terra. Another assumption you picked out of your ass.
You said that a fire spell could blow-up a planet. LOLYour entire argument is based on assumptions and fangirlism.
The truth is... You still don't know how to debate.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
[B]Apparently you missed/forgot my Ultima = Ultimate magic attack speech.
Holy in FFVII just has more power behind it in this game, like fira dose to fire. Overall Ultima>>Holy.
Shooting directly at the surface, shooting at the genomes he hates.No, i don't see any difference in outcome. Yes, that was a lesson in sarcasm, ladys and gentlemen.
ARE YOU STUPID? If each additional shot is instant and only the first was charged, its alot more of an instant attack then a charge attack.
Instant means basically under a second, can Kuja shoot ultima under a second? No, he needs to charge the first attack, please don't reply "Well the second attacks DONT!" Well you have to fire the first attack before you can fire the second attack, duh.
Compared to the cannon its a bloody speed of light attack.
Holy took even longer....we would probably all grow old waiting for its effect.
Maybe so, but stop acting as if there limitless.
OK, so far your showing sephy might be fast and resilient but he is a complete retard, gotta wonder how he became a general with the battle sense he has.
This mans supposed to beat Kuja, who is a mastermind tactician.
I think you been dipping into the eggnog to much, man.
Tell me when they have had a freaking chance? FFIX the movie? FFIX-2?
You people are just hooked on FFVII, like addicts.
And for what, because FFIX had cartoon like graphics?I can't say much for steiner, but if given the chance im sure zidane would show something "impressive".
Sephy the retarded general lost? Dude don't go having an emotional break down on me now.
Either way sephy fights like a 10 year old with super powers in the movie, thats impressive? You men need to get out more.
SHM, wheres ya stupid "don't use assumptions" for this? Oh i see sephy fan-boys till the end?Ultima -> Holy, at least in EVERY other ff except FFVII. Sephy was holding back holys energy on its way to stop meteor, it was not aimed at sephy, and yes, it dose make a diffrence.
What difference does it make if Holy is moving north or south? Sephiroth stopped its MOVEMENT, the direction MAKES no difference.
Jesus is more impressive making the walls of water create a path for him then sephy, and im not even a Christian.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
[B]If i throw a mirror on to the floor and it shattered, i would say i destroyed the mirror, would anyone, ANYONE think i meant i scratched the surface?
When the death star was DESTROYED, did admiral ackbar think "OH MY GAWD WE ONLY SCRATCHED THE PAINTWORK?"Did holy DESTROY meteor? Please learn the definition of the word and stop making crap up.
Wow, your elementary school knowledge really is getting irritating
YOU need to learn the definition:
Destroy: to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains
If i threw paint on a painting, I can say i destroyed the painting because i reduced it to a useless form.
We only see Kuja ruining the surface, so that means he destroyed terra by ruining the surface, hence making the object (terra) into a useless planet.
Next your say ultima is weak because them buildings where made of tin, look at there shape, there is no way a weak building would be able to support that shape structure.
What has a more chance of being destroyed and fallen over, one of the buildings, or the space needle? Obviously the skinnier one would be easier.
Its obviously stronger metal then what we use on good old earth or in midgar, i doubt clouds sword would even go 10 inches through it.
LMAO you say it as if the barrier survived the blast, it didn't. The only impressive feat of the barrier i have seen is its ability to push back the airship a few meters.
And the rest of your comments aren't even worth replying, I'm done debating with an 8 year old.
Sephiroth > Kuja in terms of tactics, the plotting he did in FF7, and even in AC, his way superior then Kuja.
How so?
He made a bunch of people come to him using mind control.
Kuja manipulated everyone with just his intellect alone. The heroes did everything he wanted at least twice. He manipulated other villains into doing what he wanted as well.
He had two main goals: get strong eidolons and get Trance. He succeeded in both of those.
They didn't, maybe if the game was as good as FF7 they would make one.
Number of retards liking something doesn't mean it's good.
Otherwise Dragonball be a better series than Rurouni Kenshin.
Ultima destroyed the surface of terra, a planet on the brink of death, Holy is capable of destroying everything, how exactly does that make Ultima > Holy?
LOL
Terra was on the brink of eternal prosperity.
Game >>>>> you.
And Holy can destroy anything? Not Meteor. Not Sephiroth.
Fail.
Bugenhagen was WRONG.
Originally posted by SHM
You are the fangirl here. And yes, assumptions. You always uses them.You said Kuja's Ultima is instant. An assumption contradicted by the game itself.
You said Kuja wasn't using Ultima at full power on Terra. Another assumption you picked out of your ass.
You said that a fire spell could blow-up a planet. LOLYour entire argument is based on assumptions and fangirlism.
The truth is... You still don't know how to debate.
Then this is a fangirl vs sooo many fanboys fight-sigh-
Once you get past the first shot, he apparently can fire as many as he wants instantly, anyone missing the first shot would think its instant. Furthermore i did not say "it is 100% instant", i said "It is MORE instant then not".
Quite a few people pick stuff out there arse, actually. Although no i don't have an official quote so i wont go on. However thinking that you see the limits of Ultima in the short FMV is stupid.
Supernova, a REAL supernova, is basically a fire attack with more power behind it then holy, ultima and meteor all together and it would annihilate a whole solar system, i could sooo say something like "i told yo so" right now, but i wont.
I know how to debate, however given the circumstances of lack of data of Kuja compared to sephy, im forced to bend a few rules.
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Jenova was braindead after Nibelheim. Sephiroth was in control of its body, using it as a puppet. Sephiroth created Geostigma and had full control of it.And as you can see, Sephiroth wasn't gone for good after he was defeated, as he shows up two years later and before that was still having an impact on the world with Geostigma and his remnants.
Take note, if it can happen to jenova, it can happen to sephy.
After the battle in VII sephy was destroyed, the jenova cells where what made the stigma, even if sephy made them, it was still a jenova feat.
Yes, he came back, but he needed a remnant and jenova cells to do it, he can NOT just spontaneously do it whenever he pleases.
No, this is a "two member of the FF VII party have been surgically enhanced" thing, and a little bit of a "the FF VII party member can jump over skyscrapers and fight like superman and the FF IX party can't even come close" thing.
In the game the VII characters can not do those things either.
Do you not agree it takes there abilities to far?
Either way it would not matter that they can jump over skyscrapers, because they would only do such a thing if there enemy could, unless clouds new profession is dragoon knight?
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Otherwise he would have blasted them all with Ultima to begin with.
In case you missed it, he did, at least the first time.
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Owned!
You speak way to soon, my young padawan. Either contribute to the thread or kindly ST(You know what)U
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Apparently you forgot that you were WRONG, Holy in FF7 = > Ultima in FFIX.
That your fanboyism opinion or a official fact? no? not even a quote?
Ultima = Ultimate, Holy was just used on a much larger scale, Enough said.
There wouldnt be any difference in outcome, please don't even try to say that Ultima will blow up the planet, because it wouldn't.
Ultima destroying buildings, making massive explosions.
Ultima smashing through the planets crust exploding.
Still think theres no diffrence? What set of physics are you relying on? 8 year olds? NO, even they can figure it out!
Fire cracker exploding on ya open hand = burned hand.
Fire cracker exploding in a closed hand = no hand.
Can't wait to hear ya response for this.
Holy took even longer? Its because Sephiroth contained it duh, once Sephiroth was out of the picture it got to Midgar in seconds.
Did he not start holding it back once he reached the northern crater? Did holy not start working after aerith preyed for it? Did sephy kill aerith and instantly get to northern crater? -Waits to be corrected-
Im not, im just acting like its atleast as powerful as Holy and Ultima, because it is.
Why go to all the hassle of summoning meteor when he could just begin crushing the planet with his tk, injuring it that way?
You said holy could destroy anything? If your THEORY is correct that would contradict the game. Try again.
Sephiroth > Kuja in terms of tactics,
Sephy - Use his almighty mind controlling powers to make his clone do his bidding.
Kuja - Use his intelligence to manipulate a whole kingdom to attack and begin a war with a SUPERIOR enemy.
Sephy - Walk all around the planet on foot - pretty dumb, eh?
Kuja - Use a pet dragon as his transportation - is a little thing, but it all counts.
Sephy - Mind control cloud(games protagonist) into giving him the black materia - cloud or at least a part of him was resisting him the whole time.
Kuja - Cleverly manipulate Zidane (Games protagonist) into getting him a stone he needed.
Sephy - Kept telling cloud his plans and giving him materia.
Kuja - Divulged nothing that he didn't want anyone to know, gave them nothing.
Sephy - Killed aerith, while leaving the games main hero alive.
Kuja - Killed them all, reviving them only after he decided he was wrong.
Need i continue?
the plotting he did in FF7, and even in AC, his way superior then Kuja.
Come again? Sephys AC PLOTTING? Oh, now i get ya...
Sephy - Ima going to hold back my best attacks in a effort to kill you, muwhahaha.
Sephy - Im going to ride this planet somewhere (THOUGH I DONT HAVE A CLUE WHERE) to find a planet( again, dun know which planet) and play in the grass.
Kuja - Im going to kill Garland (Zidane beat him to it, but he would of, either way he delivered the final attack).
- Im going to obtain the power of trance. (Which he did)
- Im going to kill you all - to zidane and co- (Which he did)
- Im going to use these black mages to start a war (childs play)
Kuja - Im going to rule over both Terra and Gaia (woah he actually knows which planets he wants, yes, he totally failed, but the plot still wins)
They didn't, maybe if the game was as good as FF7 they would make one.
No because he hasn't shown anything impressive PERIOD.
As i recall cloud gets retarded and wheelchaired for about an hour game play, is that impressive, or is the fact Zidane dont more impressive?
Clouds ominislash, maybe? Zidanes Grandlethal, sure overall GAMEPLAY damage is not as high, though it definitely hits all opponents.
How about clouds ability to not get an erection around hot women? Is he gay or something? Not much of a role-model? (Thanks to my brother for this additional comment.)
Overall i must say i find tidus little ability to hold his breath for 5 mins more impressive, now THATS saying something.
Ultima destroyed the surface of terra, a planet on the brink of death, Holy is capable of destroying everything, how exactly does that make Ultima > Holy?
Enuf about this crap, the planet dying dose NOT make it easier to destroy, it just means there is less lifeforms on it.
Holy can NOT destroy sephy, even you said that, more contradictions.
Ultima is more powerful because it is the most destructive spell I.E. Ultimate spell.
Like i have said before its all about the power behind the spell and how you use it.
What difference does it make if Holy is moving north or south? Sephiroth stopped its MOVEMENT, the direction MAKES no difference.
Holy was on its way to stop meteor, at the time it had no interest in sephy, if it had, it would of surrounded him and vaporised him "Holy can destroy everything".
The point is he was blocking its path, not actively fighting against it.
End of part ONE.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Thats a horrible example, because the only way you can destroy a mirror IS by shattering it, if you scratch it, it is STILL usable and NOT destroyed.Wow, your elementary school knowledge really is getting irritating
YOU need to learn the definition:
Destroy: to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains
My point remains.
Who are you to determine that the word destroy, in the game, refers to the "useless form" and not "reduce (an object) to useless fragments".
If i threw paint on a painting, I can say i destroyed the painting because i reduced it to a useless form.
Planet > painting.
Painting > planet.
Help me out here.
We only see Kuja ruining the surface, so that means he destroyed terra by ruining the surface, hence making the object (terra) into a useless planet.
In truth, can you say you see the full effect of the aftermath?
Maybe your judging the outcome by the initial stages of the blast?
Thats like comparing the outcome of a ICBM and a regular missile based on a still frame of the missiles 5 seconds before the "BOOM!"
What has a more chance of being destroyed and fallen over, one of the buildings, or the space needle? Obviously the skinnier one would be easier.
Terra buildings have a much wider saucer section and thicker too. It IS similar ill give you that though.
You judging things on appearance again? Its whats inside that counts, such as the thickness of the metal, the additional support the building has.
Gee so THATS why people need blueprints?
Your basis of claiming that is?
We all know clouds sword is made of steal.
Any building engineer would tell you terras building would collapse if made of steal, quick frankly it aint strong enough, simple laws of nature apply.
Now lets imagine two swords one made of copper and one made of steel, which blade will go through which?
So if Steal > Copper, then Material X (what terran structures are made of) > Steal, since it would be superior.
SO, if inferior metal wont penetrate superior metal, swords of steal are useless.
It took the blast, whatever is inside was unharmed.
What ever is inside, as you put it, just happens to be half a mile underground, the sister rays blast traveled in a straight line staying parallel with sea level, i think this pretty much renders your statement useless.
I'm done debating with an 8 year old.
Maybe my responses at a higher level of I.Q will keep you entertained, Enjoy!
Originally posted by UltimaKujaI guess you seriously lack the intelligence to realise that he was using a metaphor.Planet > painting.
Painting > planet.Help me out here.
http://www.rhlschool.com/eng3n26.htm
^ Incase(likely) you don't understand.
Originally posted by UltimaKujaOh please if you want to even try to debate and want to be taken seriously, at LEAST learn how to spell properly. Its steel, not stealWe all know clouds sword is made of steal.
Any building engineer would tell you terras building would collapse if made of steal, quick frankly it aint strong enough, simple laws of nature apply.
Now lets imagine two swords one made of copper and one made of steel, which blade will go through which?So if Steal > Copper, then Material X (what terran structures are made of) > Steal, since it would be superior.
SO, if inferior metal wont penetrate superior metal, swords of steal are useless.
Oh and quit arguing like a broken record.
Originally posted by Ivalice
I guess you seriously lack the intelligence to realise that he was using a metaphor.
I dont need a lecture from you, ser. (Yes, Ser, not sir)
Fill me in here, what is your roll in this debate? To anger and annoy me? Grow up and get a life, please!!
Oh please if you want to even try to debate and want to be taken seriously, at LEAST learn how to spell properly. Its steel, not steal
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Oh no, i spell one bloody word wrong, because i was tired, and you flame me. Lets all have a crack at me even though it has NOTHING to do with the thread, you got no life so you have to waste time like this?
Is this some kind of personal grudge im sensing from you?
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Then this is a fangirl vs sooo many fanboys fight-sigh-
Once you get past the first shot, he apparently can fire as many as he wants instantly, anyone missing the first shot would think its instant. Furthermore i did not say "it is 100% instant", i said "It is MORE instant then not".
I know how to debate, however given the circumstances of lack of data of Kuja compared to sephy, im forced to bend a few rules.
That your fanboyism opinion or a official fact? no? not even a quote?
Ultima = Ultimate, Holy was just used on a much larger scale, Enough said.
Holy was stated to be able to destroy everything on Gaia
Holy was used on a much larger scale? Wtf are you talking about, it was summoned by Aeris, just as Meteor was summoned by Sephiroth
I hope you know Ultima is in FF7 as well, and is not the strongest materia, Black and White are (Holy and Meteor)
Ultima destroying buildings, making massive explosions.Ultima smashing through the planets crust exploding.
Still think theres no diffrence? What set of physics are you relying on? 8 year olds? NO, even they can figure it out!
Fire cracker exploding on ya open hand = burned hand.
Fire cracker exploding in a closed hand = no hand.Can't wait to hear ya response for this.
Did he not start holding it back once he reached the northern crater? Did holy not start working after aerith preyed for it? Did sephy kill aerith and instantly get to northern crater? -Waits to be corrected-
Why go to all the hassle of summoning meteor when he could just begin crushing the planet with his tk, injuring it that way?
You said holy could destroy anything? If your THEORY is correct that would contradict the game. Try again.
Sephy - Use his almighty mind controlling powers to make his clone do his bidding.
Kuja - Use his intelligence to manipulate a whole kingdom to attack and begin a war with a SUPERIOR enemy.Sephy - Walk all around the planet on foot - pretty dumb, eh?
Kuja - Use a pet dragon as his transportation - is a little thing, but it all counts.Sephy - Mind control cloud(games protagonist) into giving him the black materia - cloud or at least a part of him was resisting him the whole time.
Kuja - Cleverly manipulate Zidane (Games protagonist) into getting him a stone he needed.Sephy - Kept telling cloud his plans and giving him materia.
Kuja - Divulged nothing that he didn't want anyone to know, gave them nothing.Sephy - Killed aerith, while leaving the games main hero alive.
Kuja - Killed them all, reviving them only after he decided he was wrong.Need i continue?
Holy can NOT destroy sephy, even you said that, more contradictions.Ultima is more powerful because it is the most destructive spell I.E. Ultimate spell.
Like i have said before its all about the power behind the spell and how you use it.
Holy was on its way to stop meteor, at the time it had no interest in sephy, if it had, it would of surrounded him and vaporised him "Holy can destroy everything".
The point is he was blocking its path, not actively fighting against it.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
My point remains.
Who are you to determine that the word destroy, in the game, refers to the "useless form" and not "reduce (an object) to useless fragments".Planet > painting.
Painting > planet.Help me out here.
A planet with the entire surface wrecked IS in a useless form.
I really hope you're just pretending to not understand my point with the painting example, otherwise i'm just embarrassed that i'm debating against you.
In truth, can you say you see the full effect of the aftermath?
Maybe your judging the outcome by the initial stages of the blast?
Thats like comparing the outcome of a ICBM and a regular missile based on a still frame of the missiles 5 seconds before the "BOOM!"
You judging things on appearance again? Its whats inside that counts, such as the thickness of the metal, the additional support the building has.Gee so THATS why people need blueprints?
Even if the needle building is deemed "safe" a thicker building is even more safer.
We all know clouds sword is made of steal.
Any building engineer would tell you terras building would collapse if made of steal, quick frankly it aint strong enough, simple laws of nature apply.
Now lets imagine two swords one made of copper and one made of steel, which blade will go through which?So if Steal > Copper, then Material X (what terran structures are made of) > Steal, since it would be superior.
SO, if inferior metal wont penetrate superior metal, swords of steal are useless.
What ever is inside, as you put it, just happens to be half a mile underground, the sister rays blast traveled in a straight line staying parallel with sea level, i think this pretty much renders your statement useless.
..It stops AT Sephiroths barrier, the barrier goes down, but the sister rays STOP AT the barrier.
Originally posted by UltimaKujaOh shaddap! your such a wity one!1!1!!!1oneone!11!1!!!one
I dont need a lecture from you, ser. (Yes, Ser, not sir)
Originally posted by UltimaKujaLOL get a life? I hang out with friends, i have a relationship, i go to parties, i work out at the gym, i go to school and get good grades. There you go, if thats not what you call a life then no i don't have a life.
Fill me in here, what is your roll in this debate? To anger and annoy me? Grow up and get a life, please!!
But its super ironic you tell me to go get a life when you yourself argue like a broken record and get smashed to pieces in the process.
Two words, quit "debating".
Originally posted by UltimaKujaHow does ADVISING you to spell correctly equate to flaming? Oh and your tired so that makes it an excuse that its ok to spell wrongly? Spell check is your friend.
Oh no, i spell one bloody word wrong, because i was tired, and you flame me. Lets all have a crack at me even though it has NOTHING to do with the thread, you got no life so you have to waste time like this?
Originally posted by UltimaKujaAnd for what reason would i have a grudge against you? Have you given any reasons why?
Is this some kind of personal grudge im sensing from you?
Ultima was able was able to ruin the surface of TerraHoly was stated to be able to destroy everything on Gaia
Ah, THERE'S the key!
Sephiroth was underground which is why it couldn't destroy him!
And Meteor was in the sky and that's why Holy can't destroy it!
Holy can destroy anything...not.
I hope you know Ultima is in FF7 as well, and is not the strongest materia, Black and White are (Holy and Meteor)
Different verses, different spells.
Thats because Sephiroth has a powerful willpower to stop it, just like he would probably stop Ultima as well.
Holy did nothing but FAIL to destroy things.
Ultima wrecked a planet.
Sephiroth couldn't even stop Cloud's limit...he can't stop a planet destroyer.
Who are you to determine that the planet blows up, when you only see the surface being ruined?A planet with the entire surface wrecked IS in a useless form.
As Amarant said: "Do you really think [Kuja] perished with Terra?"
If he just razed the planet, he wouldn't have died...now if it blew up, there'd be a cuase to wonder if he perished with the planet.
And the structures on Terra have survived thousands of years.
Originally posted by Terryc250
No its ppl who have logic (most of us) vs your comedic fangirlism
Heh, alot of the things you have said is fanboyism, you have the nerve to criticize me?
He dies before that, Sephiroth speedblitz, or he instantly traps him with TK.
This seems like a decent example of your fanboyism, since you have nothing but a theory here.
Ultima was able was able to ruin the surface of TerraHoly was stated to be able to destroy everything on Gaia
Apparently that statement was incorrect, makes me wonder what else was stated incorrectly.
Holy was used on a much larger scale? Wtf are you talking about, it was summoned by Aeris, just as Meteor was summoned by SephirothI hope you know Ultima is in FF7 as well, and is not the strongest materia, Black and White are (Holy and Meteor)
Yes, in FFVII they are, but you fail to take into account they cant be used at will, or under ones own power, Ultima was used under Kujas own power freely, whenever he willed it.
In FFIX it IS the most powerful spell, white or black magic wise.
Also your judging the power of the spell in FFVII based on the power of the materia.
Holy IS used on larger scale, from what i gather holy in VII is the pure essence of holy, not just an attack used coming from someones own magical power.
Holy in VII compared to all other versions is like throwing someone inside a volcano instead of using your own power to create a fire based attack.
Lol and what basis are you claiming that Ultima can smash "through the planets crust exploding" lmao.
On this planet buildings of solid metal are harder to penetrate then the crust of the planet, metal is stronger then the ground, using this logic, watching ultima blast straight through multiple buildings on Terra, effortlessly, leads me to believe it could break through the planets crust.
Now remembering the FACT i stated about the firecracker, leads me to conclude Ultima would and could blast Terra into fragments, FYI that means blow it up, or what bugen shows you happen in VII if the planet looses the life stream, which is the same result.
LOL Sephiroth was in the northern crator the whole time from the beginning of the game.
As i recall he was frozen in materia, until freed, i was referring to the cloned sephy you follow throughout the game.
So are you claiming he was holding holy while frozen?
Could be a lot of reasons, most likely he needs his power to start absorbing the lifestream as it begins to heal.
So put simply, you dont know. Is not one of your arguments that sephy is inexhaustible and can go on forever? Another contradiction?
Last time i checked, in Final Fantasy, you dont need to exert any power or energy to absorb attacks, be it fire or holy, you either can or you cant.
Is it not more likely he simply could not do it because it was to weak?
No its the video games theory, don't try to correct bugenhagon.
You said what bugen says is a "FACT", so its not a video game theory its a video game "FACT".
That "fact" has been contradicted by the game its self, so i dont even need to correct him, it stands out all on its own.
Umm Sephiroth didnt "mind control" his clones, he used jenova body parts, and made moves all over the planet while he was in the northern crator.
Sephiroth walks around on foot? Wtf? Sephiroth can fly, teleport, walk through walls, etc,
As you can see here, he walks alot.
yes he manipulated the party into letting Cloud keep the black materia, then controlled Cloud into giving him the black materia.
O...M...G such a feat of power, totally proves he is better then everything Kuja did.
Sephiroth kept giving Cloud materia? wtf..?
Odin - Sephy left it for cloud, leaving it under guard, but basically still giving it to cloud.
Destruct - In the basement of the mansion.
There the only two i can remember, but compared to what Kuja gave the party (Nothing), you again prove sephy is superior in tactics.
Thats because Sephiroth has a powerful willpower to stop it, just like he would probably stop Ultima as well.
You cant have it both ways, either holy = all powerful, which means...
Holy > Sephy
Or Holy = not so impressive, which means...
Sephy > Holy.
Either way, if you want to do it this way, Ultima = best attack in more final fantasy games then holy.
Im quite confident if VII's Ultima was not restricted to the materias power limit, it would be superior. Remember in VII its not how much power you put into the spell, its the materia its self determining the max power output, which is different from using a spell based on your own power.
You really cant compare materia magic to magic fully under your control. (basicially using it materia-less)
..... It would just get stopped by Sephiroths willpower. Again, it doesn't matter if Holy travels south or north, if it gets stopped it gets stopped, Sephiroth wasn't trying to fight against it, he was just simply stopping it.
Sephy was just standing in the sideline blocking it, he was under no strain of the attack coming directly for him from all directions, which would make it easier for him.
Either way stopping one attack(Holy) dose not mean he can stop another type of attack(Ultima).
Answer me this, if his tk is so powerful, why did he not use it to halt the sister rays attack, keeping his shield intact, that blast is obviously weaker then holy, right?
The fact he didnt proves to me he is not as all powerful as you assume and that Ultima would be the same. Ultima is quite similar to the sister rays blast, is it not?
Who are you to determine that the planet blows up, when you only see the surface being ruined?
A planet with the entire surface wrecked IS in a useless form.
Dont change the subject by saying its a translation thing either.
I really hope you're just pretending to not understand my point with the painting example, otherwise i'm just embarrassed that i'm debating against you.
No, but you cannot assume that the planet suddenly blows up, surface ruined does not = planet blowing up.
So sure, are you? Like i said, you DON'T see the aftermath of the explosion, your playing ignorant to belittle the feat, even on the small chance you where right, i see nothing from sephy to surpass this feat.
Common sense, a thick building has more support then a needle buildingEven if the needle building is deemed "safe" a thicker building is even more safer.
Depends on what material the building is made of and whats its use its for.
Thinking about it, clouds sword, in a more realistic sense would not be able to cut apart a building thicker then the swords length, yet he accomplishes it.
So maybe your looking at this a little to realistically.
Its not enough to assume that the material is some uber unbreakable material.
Final F-A-N-T-A-S-Y, i think that name says it all and this could easily be a valid assumption, anyway no need to dwell on it.
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YouTube video..It stops AT Sephiroths barrier, the barrier goes down, but the sister rays STOP AT the barrier.
The sister ray fires pure energy, it is a well know fact that the further energy has to travel the less powerful(weaker) it becomes, also consider the transfer of energy when it blasted through weapon, by the time it hit it the barrier it would of been weakened.
Energy passing energy has more of a nullifying effect, the video clearly shows a dispelling effect, also just because the light energy dissipated after there clash, dose not mean the non light energy did not continue past the barrier.
Either way, the energy can only travel in a straight line as shown by the video, so would not harm anyone underground.
Originally posted by IvaliceBut its super ironic you tell me to go get a life when you yourself argue like a broken record and get smashed to pieces in the process.
A) I have the harder argument
B) "Smashed into pieces" is a little excessive, i have made quite a few decent points.
How does ADVISING you to spell correctly equate to flaming?
Oh and your tired so that makes it an excuse that its ok to spell wrongly? Spell check is your friend.
Being tired is not my "excuse" it is my reason.
Spell check tends not to highlight real english words.
And for what reason would i have a grudge against you? Have you given any reasons why?
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As Amarant said: "Do you really think [Kuja] perished with Terra?"
If he just razed the planet, he wouldn't have died...now if it blew up, there'd be a cuase to wonder if he perished with the planet.
Originally posted by SHM
If we say Bugenhagen was wrong, we can easily say that Mikoto and Amarant's quotes are hyperbole.
Bugen was wrong because he didn't know what was coming out of his mouth was actually his arse, he merely speculated the outcome.
Ararmant and Mikoto both said there facts AFTER witnessing it, they actually saw Terras destruction, so any logical person would come to the conclusion there not wrong or exaggerating.