Trance Kuja vs. AC Sephiroth

Instead of quoting everything let me state a few facts.

1) Your in favor of sephiroth 100% and are a fanboy of his.
2) I'm in favor of Kuja winning (Not 100% but pretty close) and am a fan girl.

How about instead of quoting each other till hell freezes over we make a new thread with a poll clearly outlining the rules for everyone and let the votes do the talking?

Don't go thinking i wont go back to quoting either if you choose not too agree to this.

Facts does not make me a fanboy

Sephiroth has feats and power to kill and counter Kuja to back up his victory.

Kuja doesn't, thats why its more likely in favour of Sephiroths victory.

She will never accept it, Terryc.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Facts does not make me a fanboy

Sephiroth has feats and power to kill and counter Kuja to back up his victory.

Kuja doesn't, thats why its more likely in favour of Sephiroths victory.

So really, you claiming your not a fanboy does not make it so, i can simply say ohhh the ocean is yellow but does that make it so? No.

But hey at the least you can argue and back some of your claims up.

All i see is more sephiroth cock sucking.(Not from you in all honesty, i just don't want to name that paticular person)

Seph doesn't even have the durability feats to survive a shot from FFIX Odin.
He hasn't done anything to indicate he can destroy a planet in as short a time as Trance Kuja.
He hasn't done anything to indicate his power is vast enough to cross dimensions and space.
He loses, plain as that.

Kuja doesn't have any speed feats to prove he cant be speedblitz by Sephiroth

Kuja's strongest attack is Ultima, he required to do multiple of them to destroy the surface of Terra (which is a small planet)

Sephiroth held Holy for months will his willpower, which means he should beable to trap Kuja and his Ultima's.

Sephiroth took the power of the lifestream, threatened to transform the entire planet, the lfiestream is easily capable of destroying Kuja once he his trapped by Sephiroth willpower.

Again, what can Kuja do to harm Sephiroth?

Ultima. Kuja is clearly the more powerful of the two in terms of busting power.

Depends on how powerful Sephiroths Negative Lifestream is, a small portion of the lifestream was able to disintegrate meteor, and should be enough to destroy the surface of terra much like Kuja's ultima was able to.

This reminds me, how big was Meteor again? I forgot.

Big enough to wound the planet so that basically most of the population would ceast to exist, Terra was a very small planet, Disintegrating Meteor into nothing should be atleast equal to destroying the surface of Terra.

The lifestream didn't disintegrate Meteor. All it did was push it back so that Holy could work. The reason Holy was hurting rather than helping was because Metoer was too close to the planet, past the event horizon so to speak, and Holy was just adding more energy to the destruction. The lifestream pushed it back enough for Holy to stop it, it didn't actually hurt Meteor though.

Evidence?

Its explained in the Ulitmania Omega and in Maiden who Travels the Planet.

wow this thread been going on without me? =/

-Agrees with Pyron_Knight-

Terry still can't accept his precious sephiroth will lose? Really ain't much point in anyone trying to convince him, he 100% fan-boy =)

Figure i might as well contribute to this a lil more....

1) Ultima only had to be charged on the 1st shot, all extra shots where done instantly.

2) Kuja can shoot AT LEAST 4 shots simultaneously. I'll repeat it for you, AT LEAST.

3) The shots don't have to come directly from his hand

4) Again i have to say this, the blasts unlike meteor where NOT, repeat NOT aimed at the planet. They where purposely aimed at the building/genomes.

All that is proved in the FMV.

Terry, would you mind posting official evidence stating how small Terra is? Just because you don't get to explore the whole planet doesn't mean it is THAT small.

I realise you can't understand this but Ultima can't be "which means he should beable to trap Kuja and his Ultima's."
I don't know why you cant understand that, and yes, its because its a non-elemental energy attack.
DO NOT compare the ultimate Non-Elemental magic attack with a "Non-elemental brick" to do so only shows your ignorance.

One last note, Kuja didn't even use his full power when he shot them blasts and destroyed terra.
(Note: Official game text says "Terra" not just the name of the village, and the actual planet is called Terra, eat that non-belivers.)
I say that because you don't master an ability just when you get it, or in this case when a NPC gets it. Its a well known fact mastered ability's are more damaging.
Also, in CGI people don't have "fire, "fira", Firga" ECT... they simply choose how much energy they want to put into the attack.
Now you tell me, did Kuja look even a little tired after he destroyed terra?

1) Ultima only had to be charged on the 1st shot, all extra shots where done instantly.

2) Kuja can shoot AT LEAST 4 shots simultaneously. I'll repeat it for you, AT LEAST.

4) Again i have to say this, the blasts unlike meteor where NOT, repeat NOT aimed at the planet. They where purposely aimed at the building/genomes.

3) The shots don't have to come directly from his hand

Terra is small because it was stated to be small.

I realise you can't understand this but Ultima can't be "which means he should beable to trap Kuja and his Ultima's."
I don't know why you cant understand that, and yes, its because its a non-elemental energy attack.
DO NOT compare the ultimate Non-Elemental magic attack with a "Non-elemental brick" to do so only shows your ignorance.

Telekinesis is stopping MATTER with the power of the mind, whatever element it is has NOTHING to do with it.

One last note, Kuja didn't even use his full power when he shot them blasts and destroyed terra.
(Note: Official game text says "Terra" not just the name of the village, and the actual planet is called Terra, eat that non-belivers.)
I say that because you don't master an ability just when you get it, or in this case when a NPC gets it. Its a well known fact mastered ability's are more damaging.
Also, in CGI people don't have "fire, "fira", Firga" ECT... they simply choose how much energy they want to put into the attack.
Now you tell me, did Kuja look even a little tired after he destroyed terra?

Kuja has no way of winning this, Sephiroth has many.

Originally posted by Terryc250
And Sephiroth stops it with a thought.

Says you. prove it.

Your point?

Your point..? It comes from him.

One of your arguments is sephy can get behind him in a blink, my point is he wouldn't even have to turn around to hit sephy. If, IF he could follow him (and you can't prove he can't), sephy would get owned by an ultima coming out of Kujas back side.

Oh the humiliation for poor sephy.

Terra is small because it was stated to be small.

Again, the type of element has nothing to do with being stuck in TK

Telekinesis is stopping MATTER with the power of the mind, whatever element it is has NOTHING to do with it.

Well magic is energy, energy is NOT matter, its energy. Also there would be an upper threshold of power or intensity that sephy can contain . Don't assume your all knowing about his ability.

I recently saw a video from crisis core, you clearly see him getting hit by a magical attack in a fight FMV.

Did Sephiroth look tired ever in the entire FF7 Compilation? No. Arguably we've never seen Sephiroth exerted himself ever.

I assume your mostly coming from an AC pov? Well, was cloud an actual challenge? Did sephy even try to go all out?
In case you missed it (or conveniently forgot) sephy got beat by ominislash WHILE he was not worn out, so who are you to say the same wouldn't be true of ultima?

Kuja has no way of winning this, Sephiroth has many.

All i see in this post from you is the following.....

Kuja. He has many ways of winning, but im such a sephy fanboy im just going to disregard them - Muwhahaha.

Sephy. Has SOOOO many way of winning, OMG i love you sephy, i wanna have your babies!!!!! Yeah, sephy can just fart and level a WHOLE city!!!!

I recently saw a video from crisis core, you clearly see him getting hit by a magical attack in a fight FMV.

The fight with Ifrit? The attack has no visible effect on him whatsoever, and he then obliterates the summon with one attack.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Says you. prove it.

Point is, he destroyed Terra when he wasn't even trying.

One of your arguments is sephy can get behind him in a blink, my point is he wouldn't even have to turn around to hit sephy. If, IF he could follow him (and you can't prove he can't), sephy would get owned by an ultima coming out of Kujas back side.

Stated by whom? Zidane? Garland? Or by you?

Well magic is energy, energy is NOT matter, its energy. Also there would be an upper threshold of power or intensity that sephy can contain . Don't assume your all knowing about his ability.

I recently saw a video from crisis core, you clearly see him getting hit by a magical attack in a fight FMV.

I assume your mostly coming from an AC pov? Well, was cloud an actual challenge? Did sephy even try to go all out?
In case you missed it (or conveniently forgot) sephy got beat by ominislash WHILE he was not worn out, so who are you to say the same wouldn't be true of ultima?

Sephiroth got beat by a PIS move while he was toying around and didnt use his abilities,

Kuja just got striaght up beat by the party.

Kuja. He has many ways of winning, but im such a sephy fanboy im just going to disregard them - Muwhahaha.

Sephy. Has SOOOO many way of winning, OMG i love you sephy, i wanna have your babies!!!!! Yeah, sephy can just fart and level a WHOLE city!!!!

Originally posted by Terryc250
Big enough to wound the planet so that basically most of the population would ceast to exist, Terra was a very small planet, Disintegrating Meteor into nothing should be atleast equal to destroying the surface of Terra.

Meteor was the size of Midgar IIRC.

And Ultima is a good attack to destroy a wide area, because it's a lot of energy beams going to diferent directions. This is how he could destroy the surface of Terra.
But each one of the energy beams from Ultima, have the power to destroy a building. That's what the FMV showed us. This is nothing compared to the power of the Junon Cannon(can destroy a big city in one shot, as stated in BC), let alone the Sister Ray.

Kuja can shoot as many Ultimas and other magic spells as he wants. They will hit Sephiroth's barrier(well known as "Northern Crater's barrier"😉 and disappear.

Kuja don't even have the power to break his barrier. How could he win this battle?