Logically yes, CC Sephiroth had a basically human body infused with J-cells (the J-cells making him fast), AC Sephiroth was Jenova itself, why else would his just his weak remnant be so damn fast?
If you watch at 4:30, Sephiroth basically outspeeded Zack, and kept attacking him with his speed before Zack barely could react, its common knowledge Sephiroth is faster then Zack.
YouTube video
ive heard Jenova itself was not as powerful as sephiroth and was fairly easily contained in comparison...
and wtf thats not a blitz at all....thats like Sephiroth being faster but not blitz faster.....
and lol Seph looks hardly impressive with clouds sword suddenly in his back and sliding to the floor
We don't know how powerful Jenova really is.. Jenova is indeed powerful, her cells alone can turn humans into superhuman, she can survive the vacuums of space, crash landing on planets, her abilities are impressive.
of course Sephiroth would die with the buster sword through his chest, like i said in CC he was basically human
from what ive seen Loz looks faster than Sephiroth
still? never seen him do that, ive seen him attempting to hold characters still....hell the way Sephiroths TK works, having him in TK will help Kuja, he can just use his hands and cast his strongest spells....
can you prove NL comes from within Sephiroth? ive never seen it come out of sephiroth or be connected to him, NL is not in this match otherwise, and if it is, its likely too slow unless Kuja cannot teleport or move much faster than a human
put up a barrier? show me him doing this please, from the inside? explain this please, how from the inside?
Originally posted by Burning thought
w8 a min so ime to belive Kuja is going to stand around for the 2/3 seconds it takes Sephiroth to cast Supernova?
Not at all; all it would take is for Sephiroth to distract him with a few spells or summons (which his weaker remnants have shown to be able to activate instantly), teleport out of site, spend the minimal amount of time it would take to summon Supernova, and it's game over for Kuja. As soon as Supernova is activated, Kuja will be drawn into its realm right away, and based on what we know, he quite simply can't stand up against a level of power that's capable of destroying a solar system in one fell swoop.
show me weaker remnants summoning instantly, sounds rubbish to me, no one ive seen in FF summons something instantly and regardless this Sephiroth may not have that summon, and this is AC sephiroth not safer.....theres no Super nova
but the desturction of the solar system is merely an illusion that does unkown damage
Firstly, i have been angered, so brace your self for my wrath.
Secondly, Kuja wins hands down, Because;
This thread is Trance Kuja Vs AC Sephiroth, NOT AC Sephiroth WITH all the powers he didn't use.
So, speedblitz (which you haven't proved will work anyway) dont exist in this battle.
NL, NEVER been used against ANYONE, dont exist in this battle.
Sephiroths TK ability has shown the ability to make the roof of a building collapse, thats no where near the magnitude needed to hold Kuja. GET THE HELL OVER IT.
Sephiroth has shown NO feats of being able to resist anyone teleporting him, any resisting theory FAILS. So dimensional teleport from Kuja = Kuja wins. Kuja 1 - Sephiroth 0
Anyone....ANYONE who says he didn't use them because of this or that, STHU, he did NOT use the abilities PERIOD. He dont use them in AC = He dont use them in AC sephiroth vs thread.
Sephiroths Endurance....
Sephiroth has shown almost no feats on endurance,
In FFVII he stabbed cloud, then cloud (still stabbed) obviously knocks sephiroth out, or he would fly away or teleport.
Sephy in AC got owned by ominislash;
He did NOT teleport away.
He did NOT tk cloud.
He did NOT use his almighty speed feat to avoid it.
He did not use the NL to save himself or kill cloud.
Yet you claim, faced with a direct attack from Ultima he will suddenly change and use a ability he didn't use before when his life is threatened.
DO NOT claim any crap about it being different, cause it aint. Ominislash and Ultima are BOTH finishing moves.
The only theory ill accept from you is clouds attack TK'd sephiroth and thats why he did not move(Perfectly logical if u ask me), but that wouldn't help show sephiroth as superior, would it?
As for the retard saying one slash from sephiroths sword will kill Kuja, ponder this for me,
Bahumat using mega-flare >>>>> One slash from sephiroths sword. FYI i really cant stop laughing at that statement.
Conclusion, I see NO way Sephiroth would survive if he got blasted by Ultima.
Kuja 2 - Sephiroth 0
Sephiroths Speed.....
In AC, not once did sephiroth move so fast either any viewer OR Cloud could not see him.
Without coming from a different source OTHER THEN AC, prove me wrong.
Conclusion, Kuja would see any attack coming from sephiroth and teleport away, yes, he CAN teleport, for anyone thinking otherwise.
Kuja 3 - Sephiroth 0
Sephiroths Power/Offensive feats....
In FFVII, his best feat was summoning meteor which took almost one frigging year, don't exist in this battle.
One of the most sucked up ever feat, ladies and gentlemen, he burned, YES, HE BURNED down a village(Kuja burned down a whole planet, destroying it in the process);
No TK.
No Magical use evidence.
No unseen before or almighty technique.
In the end most of the town was still standing.
O...M...F..G.....sephy is a petrol can using arsonist and he is worshiped by people.
Slashed alot of unarmed people with his sword.
Put up a barrier, which came straight down by the sister rays blast, no evidence of sephy TK'in the blast. Also sephiroth never put it back up, Obviously he didn't have the power.
Supernova...Dose NOT destroy the planet, dose NOT destroy the sun, dose NOT destroy cloud or co. This will kill Kuja? In your dreams. AGAIN, its not even seen in AC, dont exist in this battle.
In AC;
Covered Midgar with the NL, as terry pointed out, but caused ABSOLUTELY NO LASTING DAMAGE, Kuja>>>>NL, from what i have seen.
Pulled down alot of buildings with TK and his sword, Odin from FFIX did more then that.
Stabbed cloud in the arm, for a blood thirsty, all powerful person, he did very little, REASONS ASIDE, this is what we see him do in AC, so this is what we compare when debating Kuja VS AC sephy.
Conclusion, Unless he uses the NL to put on a firework display, confusing Kuja (Remember its NEVER been used offensively, so it dont happen here), Kuja trumps Sephiroth.
Kuja 4 - Sephiroth 0
Sephiroths Intelligence.....
Lets see here....
Sephiroth gives cloud multiple materia to help him. (Kuja dont help anyone)
Sephiroth constantly tells cloud his plan and destination. (Kuja dont)
Sephiroth kills only aeris, leaving everyone else unharmed. (Kuja kills all his enermys)
Sephiroth belives he is immortal. (So did Kuja)
Sephiroth is arrogant and shows little battle sense(VII and AC). (Kuja is a master tactician)
Conclusion, Sephiroth shows very little intelligent in both AC and FFVII, i personally don't see how he became Shin-Ras general.
Kuja 5 - Sephiroth 0
Overall Goals....
Sephiroth, Summon meteor to injure the planet, causing it to gather energy to heal, which he would absorb, Become the planets ruler.
Kuja, Gather the summons to kill Garland so he could rule Terra AND Gaia.
(Both of them planning to become god like)
Kuja 6 - Sephiroth 0
Secondly;
Sephiroth, Kill cloud (He failed) and ride the planet (totally unaware of where he wanted to go) and build an empire on a new planet (he didn't have a clue which planet though.)
Kuja, Destroy the crystal of ALL life, killing every life form, everywhere. (Yes, he failed)
Kuja 7 - Sephiroth 0
Dress sense....
Since this is in the thread, i figured i would put it here. (Images are nice and big, so i can only hyperlink, wouldn't fit on this page, sorry to anyone on dial up ((DIAL UP, LOL)).)
Sephiroth, Black pants, Black shirt, Black cape, long silver hair, silver shoulder pads, black boots, green cat like eyes.
http://img149.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04086_CCFF7_VJ_2007July-L_122_759lo.jpg
Kuja, Long silver hair (with feathers), purple and gold triple layered armor, silver metal thong like pants, white and gold cape, fancy silver metal boots (if they where ever aimed at sephys groin this would be over in 1 second), dark blue eyes.
http://img176.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04083_Dissidia_FF_VJ_2007July-L_122_394lo.jpg
Conclusion, Well i like Kujas outfit, despite people thinking wearing makes you "gay" or a transvestite".
I also like sephys gear, but he looks like a goth.
Kuja 7 - Sephiroth 1 (im more likely to wear what sephy has then Kuja)
Final/Extra conclusion, Trance kuja looks 100X better then sephiroth, any day of the weak, BUT to keep it fair i restricted it to non trance, since sephy cant.
Trance Kuja pics - http://ahmynelson.tripod.com/Tkujagall.html
Ummmm...what else...
Personality...., no reason not to have this. (is for VS purpose only, no points for this category)
Sephiroth, insecure person incapable of talking about his future without his mommy.
Has a god complex.
Arrogant - to the point it proves fatal.
Ignorant - to the point it proves fatal.
Shows NO sings of personal growth. (must be the god complex thing)
Kuja, Very independent person, capable of doing things without needing "mommy" or garlands (dadys) approval.
Ambitious - he wont abide stagnation and is driven to better himself.
Cunning - Point proved when you look at brahans fate.
Intelligent - Same as above, but not restricted to that.
Shows signs of growth - best example is at the end of the game when he admits he was wrong about life and death.
OVERALL CONCLUSION.....
7 Kuja - 1 Sephiroth.
Kuja and Sephiroth are both non-human humanoids with far superior power to any normal man, woman or child.
Should the fight actually become a reality, meaning Square-Enix produced a movie with these two clashing against each other, i would personally resort to killing someone to be the first to see it.
Although both are great villains they both ultimately failed in there final goal, both are probably resting comfortably in final fantasy hell, settling this argument for real.
Unfortunately that is a place no mortal can go, so we resort to these kind of threads.
Kuja is declared the winner, would you like to say anything, Kuja?
Kuja: 😠 EAT ULTIMA, NOOB SEPHIROTH FAN BOYS
Me: Quite the bold statement. 😆 Well there you have it ladies and geltlemen, this VS battle is concluded. (Naturally i know Sephiroth fan boys are about to swarm me with hate mail posts)
Also in my humble opinion i have riped terrys argument to shreds.
(dont correct my spelling, dnt care)
burning thought. wat do u mean she debated better then terry. have u read evry post? ok she has got better now but at first omg she was awful. she must be new to debating.
i've been following this thread from the beggining and i believe terry did a better job to persuade an unbias 3rd person to believe sephiroth is better and more able to win.
ofcourse u all have the ryt to ur own opinions, but i believe lyk myself, an unbiased 3rd point of view would eventually agree wid terry and shm. dey did a better job in debating.
and finally d reason why u wont usually see me around ere coz its no point in debating wid ppl whos opinion on who wins will never change because of subconciously being baised. we all are, even me without knowing it.
but its cool if u wana covert sum1 who hasnt really got a view or opinion on ne but then why would dey click on this thread, hhm dunno.
i'm out, peace!
If you actually read ANY of her posts its straight up BIAS crap, not only that most most of this information is incorrect
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Firstly, i have been angered, so brace your self for my wrath.Secondly, Kuja wins hands down, Because;
This thread is Trance Kuja Vs AC Sephiroth, NOT AC Sephiroth WITH all the powers he didn't use.
So, speedblitz (which you haven't proved will work anyway) dont exist in this battle.
NL, NEVER been used against ANYONE, dont exist in this battle.
Sephiroths TK ability has shown the ability to make the roof of a building collapse, thats no where near the magnitude needed to hold Kuja. GET THE HELL OVER IT.
Sephiroth was able to hold the a powerful force that is capable of destroying everything, and 8 party members at the same, even taking down the top of the building is enough to show he can hold Kuja, now show me proof that you need a higher magnitude to hold Kuja or "GET THE HELL OVER IT".
Sephiroth has shown NO feats of being able to resist anyone teleporting him, any resisting theory FAILS. So dimensional teleport from Kuja = Kuja wins. Kuja 1 - Sephiroth 0
Anyone....ANYONE who says he didn't use them because of this or that, STHU, he did NOT use the abilities PERIOD. He dont use them in AC = He dont use them in AC sephiroth vs thread.
Sephiroths Endurance....Sephiroth has shown almost no feats on endurance,
In FFVII he stabbed cloud, then cloud (still stabbed) obviously knocks sephiroth out, or he would fly away or teleport.
Sephy in AC got owned by ominislash;
He did NOT teleport away.
He did NOT tk cloud.
He did NOT use his almighty speed feat to avoid it.
He did not use the NL to save himself or kill cloud.
Yet you claim, faced with a direct attack from Ultima he will suddenly change and use a ability he didn't use before when his life is threatened.
DO NOT claim any crap about it being different, cause it aint. Ominislash and Ultima are BOTH finishing moves.
The only theory ill accept from you is clouds attack TK'd sephiroth and thats why he did not move(Perfectly logical if u ask me), but that wouldn't help show sephiroth as superior, would it?
As for the retard saying one slash from sephiroths sword will kill Kuja, ponder this for me,Bahumat using mega-flare >>>>> One slash from sephiroths sword. FYI i really cant stop laughing at that statement.
Conclusion, I see NO way Sephiroth would survive if he got blasted by Ultima.
Kuja 2 - Sephiroth 0
Sephiroth has MANY ways to avoid ultima, now; Kuja has no ways getting around any of these.
Sephiroths Speed.....
In AC, not once did sephiroth move so fast either any viewer OR Cloud could not see him.
Look at the speed of Loz, now Loz is just a small fraction of Sephiroths power, if Sephiroth was going 100% he would be far faster then Loz.
Conclusion, Kuja would see any attack coming from sephiroth and teleport away, yes, he CAN teleport, for anyone thinking otherwise.
Sephiroths Power/Offensive feats....
In FFVII, his best feat was summoning meteor which took almost one frigging year, don't exist in this battle.
And that was FFVII Sephiroth, a weaker incarnation of AC Sephiroth..
One of the most sucked up ever feat, ladies and gentlemen, he burned, YES, HE BURNED down a village(Kuja burned down a whole planet, destroying it in the process);
No TK.
No Magical use evidence.
No unseen before or almighty technique.
In the end most of the town was still standing.
O...M...F..G.....sephy is a petrol can using arsonist and he is worshiped by people.Slashed alot of unarmed people with his sword.
Put up a barrier, which came straight down by the sister rays blast, no evidence of sephy TK'in the blast. Also sephiroth never put it back up, Obviously he didn't have the power.
In AC;
Covered Midgar with the NL, as terry pointed out, but caused ABSOLUTELY NO LASTING DAMAGE, Kuja>>>>NL, from what i have seen.
Pulled down alot of buildings with TK and his sword, Odin from FFIX did more then that.Stabbed cloud in the arm, for a blood thirsty, all powerful person, he did very little, REASONS ASIDE, this is what we see him do in AC, so this is what we compare when debating Kuja VS AC sephy.
Conclusion, Unless he uses the NL to put on a firework display, confusing Kuja (Remember its NEVER been used offensively, so it dont happen here), Kuja trumps Sephiroth.
Kuja 4 - Sephiroth 0
Sephiroths Intelligence.....Lets see here....
Sephiroth gives cloud multiple materia to help him. (Kuja dont help anyone)
Sephiroth constantly tells cloud his plan and destination. (Kuja dont)
Sephiroth kills only aeris, leaving everyone else unharmed. (Kuja kills all his enermys)
Sephiroth belives he is immortal. (So did Kuja)
Sephiroth is arrogant and shows little battle sense(VII and AC). (Kuja is a master tactician)Conclusion, Sephiroth shows very little intelligent in both AC and FFVII, i personally don't see how he became Shin-Ras general.
Sephiroth tells the party his plans so that they go hunt for the black materia themselves, and then manipulates Cloud into giving him it
In the end Aeris is dead, yet the FFIX part is alive.
Sephiroth is far more immortal then Kuja, he has died twice now and his conscience is still alive.
Shows little battle sense? He was only arrogant with Cloud for past reasons, Zack, Tseng, Aeris, would not say the same.
Overall Goals....Sephiroth, Summon meteor to injure the planet, causing it to gather energy to heal, which he would absorb, Become the planets ruler.
Kuja, Gather the summons to kill Garland so he could rule Terra AND Gaia.
(Both of them planning to become god like)
Sephiroth would infact become a god due to his powers, Kuja wanted to become rulers of both planets yet he ruined one by throwing a temper tantrum.
Secondly;
Sephiroth, Kill cloud (He failed) and ride the planet (totally unaware of where he wanted to go) and build an empire on a new planet (he didn't have a clue which planet though.)
And the rest of your comments don't need replying to, like i said before, if you want to be taken seriously, lose the 8 year old mentality, stop throwing a temper tantrum
All in all, Sephiroth has MANY ways to avoid ANYTHING Kuja can do it him, Ultima, is nothing, if a weaker incarnation Sephiroth can stop Holy, AC Sephiroth should beable to stop Ultima no problem, don't forget Sephiroth also has Barrier, his NL can be summoned with a gesture, he has intangeable abilities, hes faster
But the real question is, what can Kuja do to avoid Sephiroth attacks? What can Kuja do to not get trapped in TK? What can Kuja do to avoid getting speedblitz'd? What can Kuja do against the negative lifestream?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtLol really? How exactly is she "better" when most of not all her claims are unsupported? She is merely pulling statements out of her ass without backing any of it up. Terry at the least could list his sources to back his claims.
I agree, you have debated technically better than him but its no mean feat really 🙂
And ultimate fangirl, don't be a fu*king idiot, just because sephiroth does not use one of his abilities in AC does not mean he won't and can't, hell when we debate a versus of darth sidious vs anyone we always bring up the feats and powers that palpatine has mastered and accomplished, he was stated to master every aspect of the force and even if he had not demonstrated a few techniques, it is argued that he would against any dangerous opponent in a debate, it IS still a feat of him that would be used when necessary.
So do you think sephiroth would be stupid not to use all his abilities against an extremely dangerous opponent? Stop acting like a spoilt brat ok? Or better yet, quit debating.
This is AC sephy you bunch of F*CKs, not CC, FVII or any other version,
MEANING YOU CAN ONLY TAKE FEATS FROM THE MOVIE.
You don't see it in ac = it dont happen here, taking feats from other crap, LIKE YOU ARE, is the biggest waste of your time.
You bunch of bias b@stards, watch the movie then play FFIX, then do a comparison of the two chars based solely on THAT information, Kuja>>Sephiroth.
What materia dose he give cloudyou dont know this? You more of a "Fu*king idiot" then me then. Go play the game moron.
Terry, your very good at manipulating what you want people to see, but you FAILED to prove anything i said WRONG.
Loose the 8yr old stubbornness please.
As for the retard saying one slash from sephiroths sword will kill Kuja, ponder this for me,Bahumat using mega-flare >>>>> One slash from sephiroths sword. FYI i really cant stop laughing at that statement.
Which barely even hit Kuja, a direct slash from Sephiroths sword would decapitate Kuja.
The explosion fully surrounded him, fully hitting him, with maximum force, you FAIL.
Sephiroth has shown NO feats of being able to resist anyone teleporting him, any resisting theory FAILS. So dimensional teleport from Kuja = Kuja wins. Kuja 1 - Sephiroth 0Show me Kuja's teleporting someone he had to unleash an ultima like blast to do it, which ISN'T instant, Sephiroth traps him, puts up a Barrier to block it, goes intangeable, or simply speedblitz him, there are so many ways Sephiroth can avoid it.
Teleporting ain't ultima, FAIL. Speed blitz ain't in the movie, dont happen, FAIL. Barrier only blocks projectile attack, teleport works like flare, non-projectile like, YOU FAIL. Intangeable, not seen in the move, we are comparing sephiroth from the movie ONLY, YOU FAIL.
Secondly, Kuja wins hands down, Because;This thread is Trance Kuja Vs AC Sephiroth, NOT AC Sephiroth WITH all the powers he didn't use.
... See this is the stupid kind of crap she posts, its AC Sephiroth the CHARACTER, if he has power of it, he can use it, use your common sense when debating please.
Its AC sephiroth from the movie only, dumbarse, Fail.
If he has power of it, WHERE IS IT IN THE MOVIE, IT ain't, STHU WITH YA SEPHY FANBOYISM. FAIL.
What says it doesn't exist in this battle? NL is a destructive force, why can't it be used? We've seen how the lifestream worked in FF7, NL is no different.
Sephy in AC got owned by ominislash;
He did NOT teleport away.
He did NOT tk cloud.
He did NOT use his almighty speed feat to avoid it.
He did not use the NL to save himself or kill cloud.It caught him offguard, froze him in the air, and for obvious PIS purposes, it landed.
Sephiroths Speed.....
In AC, not once did sephiroth move so fast either any viewer OR Cloud could not see him.Thats because Sephiroth wasn't going all out, duh, comprehend that.
Look at the speed of Loz, now Loz is just a small fraction of Sephiroths power, if Sephiroth was going 100% he would be far faster then Loz.
Strength and speed are two different things, i see ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE (IN THE MOVIE) THAT SEPHIROTH CAN INCREASE HIS SPEED. If he could ominislash would of been nothing.
Loz what the fastest of the group, i dont remember all the remnants moving as fast as him, if anything its a loz feat, NOT a sephiroth feat, also EVERY TIME he moved that fast he was touching the thing on his arm, meaning he needed it to move that fast, YOU FAIL.
Sephiroths Endurance....Sephiroth has shown almost no feats on endurance,
Too bad for you it was stated by the creators that Sephiroth does not tire because his body is Jenova.
ATTENTION: This is evidence of terrys crap argument to me, look at the response to the question, i dont understand how one can be so F*CKING DUMB.
Enduring attacks, such as Kuja enduring bahumuts mega flare, and becoming physically fatigued as in panting from being out of breath are two different things, YOU FAIL.
Conclusion, Kuja would see any attack coming from sephiroth and teleport away, yes, he CAN teleport, for anyone thinking otherwise.He wouldn't be seeing a TK now would he? Sephiroth can teleport as well, and has super speed with it.
From sephiroths feat in the movie, NOTHING leads me to believe Sephiroth can contain Kuja. FAIL.
Teleporting is NOT a speed feat, sephy cant move at "super speed" and teleport at the same time. FAIL.
ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that sephy can dimensional teleport, Kuja teleports him and banished him to a new dimension. Kuja wins.
Put up a barrier, which came straight down by the sister rays blast, no evidence of sephy TK'in the blast. Also sephiroth never put it back up, Obviously he didn't have the power.You do know, one blast by the sister rays can level the largest city in the FF7 world.
My point: Sephy cant even TK the sister rays blast which is weaker then holy. Sephirith did not have enough power to put up a second shield.
Your point: I cant think of anything FF:AC related so ima post nonsence to impress people.
SHUT
THE
YOU KNOW WHAT
UP
About non-AC feats and stuff. YOU FAIL.
Pulled down alot of buildings with TK and his sword, Odin from FFIX did more then that.Stabbed cloud in the arm, for a blood thirsty, all powerful person, he did very little, REASONS ASIDE, this is what we see him do in AC, so this is what we compare when debating Kuja VS AC sephy.
Sephiroth wasn't trying, nor did he use any of his powers, why is it so hard to comprehend that? Maybe when you get a little older you can start to remember things.
Listen up grandpa, I DONT F*CKING CARE SEPHY WAS NOT TRYING, this is based on sephy from what we see ONLY IN AC YOU DUMB SH*T.
From every thing you see ONLY IN THE MOVIE, can anyone REALLY say he has surpassed Kuja in power or endurance?
TRY UNDERSTANDING THE POINT.
In your "Impressive response" as im sure it will be, either restrict your stuff to AC or get the F*ck out this thread and start a new one.
The most funny thing is, you was right, when i started this fight i was a complete noob at forum debating, but from what i have seen in these few short weeks i have surpassed you in debating skills, funny ain't it.
From what i have seen your not even worth my time and are not even a challenge anymore. If you want your response to be a sarcastic come back to what i just said, fine, YOU FAIL again.
