Trance Kuja vs. AC Sephiroth

Originally posted by SHM
If we say Bugenhagen was wrong, we can easily say that Mikoto and Amarant's quotes are hyperbole.

Except we know Bugenhagen was wrong.
You can't prove Mikoto was wrong.
Please don't try pulling such sleazy debating tricks.

Mikoto and Amarant were inside the Invincible with the party, when it left Terra. They didn't see anything else that we didn't see.

And what did they/we see? Kuja destroying Bran-Bal.

Except you can't prove they were wrong. That's my point. You can speculate but have no proof.
We know for a fact Bugenhagen was wrong because Holy failed to destroy 2 things. You can say "well, it's because of this and that" but it does in fact prove his statement wrong.

Problem is... Kuja never showed the power to do what they stated. Kuja's Ultima was destroying buildings.
They said he destroyed an entire planet. Big difference here.
Their statements are contradicted by the game itself.

But there's a difference.

1. We saw only the beginnings of his rampage. We don't see Kuja again until the Crystal World. You can't know what he was doing.
2. We know for a fact Holy failed to destroy 2 things.

There are things in fiction we don't see but know happened.

i dnt usually post my thoughts on ere but this was goin on for too long.

i dont believe how sum ppl cant comprehend simple fings. ( and dnt correct me on my spellings, coz i dnt realy care as long as u understand ok).

sephiroth wins. kuja is tough but sephiroth is on another level.

ok to win debates u have to use wat they have displayed in various games or media unless stated otherwise.

u cant make assumptions and u cant say dey dnt have enuff media or up to date games or media to show der skills, tough luck!

u state feats, strengths, and den use logic coz hopefully we all do hav sum logic.

d bugenhagen fing. let me explain. he sed it CAN destroy evrything. he sed CAN, he did not say it WILL destroy evryfing, der is a difference. jus coz it CAN doesnt mean it WILL. sephiroth prevented it from destroying evrything. MY GUN CAN KILL YOU DOESNT MEAN IT WILL IF I SHOT AT U!

i dont know which is more powerful honestly, holy or ultima but it doesnt really matter. Coz sephy has more feats den jus dis to defeat kuja. more of a percentage of sephy winning den losing.

so my conclusion is kuja can win, ofcourse he can, according to sum feats he has d power yes to hurt sephy but sephy has more feats to hurt kuja and win overall. sephy has a higher percentage of winning coz of all his different feats stated alredy.

debate properly plz, its annoying n frustrating to read.

So that basically says, more abilities = better chance of winning.

Thats a very simplistic way of looking at this, each ability has its strengths and weakness, and then there is timing, lets look at this from a 3d point of view shall we? Opposed to your 2d way.

Then there is intelligence, plays quite a roll in duels, not to be underestimated.

IMO sephy is only on another level in stupidity for all the reasons i have explained.

Unless you can prove otherwise, Kuja can just teleport sephy to necrons dimension and leave him to rot. The game clearly proves Kuja can teleport other people through dimensions at will and that was in his critical condition, WHEN HE COULDN'T EVEN SEE THEM.

Maybe the sun would be a better place to put sephy for awhile?

Still at it, eh Ultimate? The fact is that until proven otherwise, Sephiroth simply teleports to Kuja and kills him in one slash. He wouldn't even need to use his superior magic. Besides which, Sephiroth's will allows him to defy the lifestream and death, he wouldn't let Kuja transport him anywhere, silly.

Sephiroth casts Supernova; Occam's Razor dictates that Kuja can't stand up to a solar system destroying level of power; Sephiroth wins; the end.

w8 a min so ime to belive Kuja is going to stand around for the 2/3 seconds it takes Sephiroth to cast Supernova?

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
A) I have the harder argument

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

B) "Smashed into pieces" is a little excessive, i have made quite a few decent points.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

You went past advising and straight to insulting me.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

Being tired is not my "excuse" it is my reason.

So yes, you are right that it is not an "Excuse", it is merely a half-assed excuse.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

Spell check tends not to highlight real english words.

How hypocritical tsk tsk, how exactly am i wasting time when it only takes a few minutes to conjure this up whereas you keep spending time trying to win an argument of a match between FICTIONAL characters? So tell me, who here has no life?

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

I dont know why you seem to pick only on me, you might not get it from my replies, but it is kind of depressing.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja

How about this, please stop it.

Regular Kuja survived attacks from a stronger eidolon than Odin...Odin being able to easily nuke things. He laughed it off.
But a single sword slash from Seph will do him in? lol

Noez! Sephiroth is an uberz Godzor with lifestreams and superooorrr TK!

Originally posted by Burning thought
Noez! Sephiroth is an uberz Godzor with lifestreams and superooorrr TK!

You are the guy who said the Living Tribunal and Pre-Retcon Beyonder couldn't kill your favorite character(Kain 😛 ). Not us. 🙄

Anyway... Kuja doesn't have any speed feats, he have to charge his attacks, Sephiroth speedblitz him before he doeas that, and it's the end.

You got a recent post (not how many years old now?) with that in it however like ive got all the recent Sephiroth hugging right within perhaps 2 days posted at least

also whats with all this speedblitzing? ime yet to see a Sephiroth speed feat, care to show?

Originally posted by Burning thought
You got a recent post (not how many years old now?) with that in it however like ive got all the recent Sephiroth hugging right within perhaps 2 days posted at least

And we get the "Kain hugging" from you every time. Did you EVER admit Kain could be killed by someone? Anyone?!

also whats with all this speedblitzing? ime yet to see a Sephiroth speed feat, care to show?

It's in a DMW of CC. I will try to find it.

Wait, I don't need to find it. We know for a fact Seph is faster than Zack. And we know for a fact Zack is faster than bullets.
Kuja isn't.

ofc i have, many times, ive admited he loses to the SS badly, most marvel characters, many other characters, if he doesnt have a way to win, then i allow him to lose.

I dont know what those abreviations mean but fair enough, ill w8

How do we know for a fact Sephiroth is faster than Zack? and wasnt Zack the guy who just jumps and flips james bond style and gets past bullets through skill not speed

^ Yeah and it was in that same anime where Zack basically got speedblitz'd by Sephiroth, it was also Sephiroths weakest form, and its just about impossible to dodge about 100 machine guns firing at you with just skill, you obviously have to be extremely fast to do that.

Weakest form is definatley "slower" than strongest? but id like to see this "blitz", to me when SMP goes many times FTL against a character who is not far off human, thats a real speed blitz, some guy going a bit faster than someone else doesnt mean much.

not really, 100? sounds like a pretty over estimate to me....if i remember correctly, the bullets were faster than the guy by a small amount, it was his skill and athletics that allowed him through, and some PIS just like James bond and other action film related queer bullet logic.