Originally posted by Terryc250
Your intelligence always amazes me, TK is activated by the brain, in AC he collapsed the building with a thought.
Your lack of evidence on this point amazes me.
Now your also saying... Few buildings -> Ultima?
... you were talking about meteor and what its aiming at.. and your point is that he wasn't even trying? Wow that makes a lot of sense, what basis are you claiming he wasn't trying?
I realize this is difficult for you, but try and keep up with the rest of us. Try re-reading what i wrote?
Kujas ultima are anything BUT instant, he has to charge them, duh.
I.Q -1 for you. Game FMV shows all other blasts except the 1st to be instant. Aim, Fire, simple as.
By the game.
If you would kindly give us a quote from the game on terras size, please.
Or let me guess your speculating?
Telekinesis can hold ANYTHING with the power of the mind, Holy is energy as well, it made no difference.
The power of the mind has its limits, yes, even sephys mind.
And I recently saw a video of the jabbawockeez winning america's best dance crew.
Wow, was that an OFFICIAL video?
Can you not read? I said the FF7 Compilation, which means everything to do with FF7, CC, LO, DOC, AC.
Can you not read, i said "MOSTLY from". since this IS AC sephy thread, y'know.
Sephiroth got beat by a PIS move while he was toying around and didnt use his abilities,Kuja just got striaght up beat by the party.
Cloud > Whole FFIX party?
Main point is, sephy got BEAT.
He got defeated,
He got annihilated,
Got the point yet?
Beat once means you can get beat again.
If anything you helped my argument showing how dumb sephy is, a flaw Kuja don't have.
See the difference is, i can name the ways Sephiroth can beat Kuja,
and Kuja cannot do anything about it, and the thing is, you cannot name anyway Kuja can beat Sephiroth,
because he has no way of beating Sephiroth.
Oh yeah, THEN YOU WOKE UP AND REALISED IT WAS ALL A DREAM, right? Nice dream you had.
Originally posted by SHMAnd Ultima is a good attack to destroy a wide area, because it's a lot of energy beams going to diferent directions. This is how he could destroy the surface of Terra.
That was for starters. You forgot the part where "Kuja destroyed Terra"
(Official game quote).
But each one of the energy beams from Ultima, have the power to destroy a building.
Correction. Each beam destroyed the buildings THEN continued destroying more. The beam went straight through the bloody building like it was cheese.
More evidence that he was NOT even trying because the building was the primary target.
This is nothing compared to the power of the Junon Cannon(can destroy a big city in one shot, as stated in BC), let alone the Sister Ray.
Yeah, that cannon was pretty impressive.
Don't worry ill fill in the blanks for you ^^
The cannon can only fire at 1 shot per 1-2 mins (rough guess).
The cannon has NOT got a lock on ability, target moves = cannon miss.
The cannon takes 10 times longer then Ultimas first beam charge or more.
This is the more important point im making, the cannon when fired is at its maximum output, magic can easily be intensified.
Kuja can shoot as many Ultimas and other magic spells as he wants. They will hit Sephiroth's barrier(well known as "Northern Crater's barrier"😉 and disappear.
I only see two out comes for this scenario;
1) Your right, sephy stands there all day with his barrier up and we witness a stalemate.
2) Ultima is intensified and pierces the barrier. The toast equivalent to this outcome is it gets burned, BADLY. To the point it turns to charcoal.
Kuja don't even have the power to break his barrier. How could he win this battle?
Do you mind-meld with Terry when you sleep, sharing the same fantasy dream?
Barriers...
Holy....
TK...
Ultima...
Even a simple fire spells power is determined by the users raw power, if firega was used with enough power, it to would destroy a planet.
Sephy will have a speed advantage, granted, but could he even summon meteor on his own power? NO. The answer from here is pretty much self-explanatory.
Kuja is a real mage/sorcerer and knows how to control magic.
Sephy at best is a materia junkie with a very long sword.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Kuja just got striaght up beat by the party.
Missed my response for this, oh well.
So now we comparing them on how they got beat, ok.
Sephy, got beat in a 1 on 1. He also got beat by ONE attack, Ominislash, it annihilated him 100%.
Kuja, got beat in a 3 on 1, though there was 7 party members. All of them attacked him and he still survived.
He then unleashed Ultima which basically annihilated the whole party, unfortunately he too got hit, but he still survived.
Kuja finally fell over 100 feet crash landing on the lifa tree, oh my, whats this? HE STILL SURVIVED, having more then enough energy the save all the others from death and teleport them to safety.
Only after all of this dose he lay there defeated, even then it don't show him actually die. BUT WE'RE NOT ABOUT TO START ARGUING ABOUT THIS NOW ARE WE? Please don't because im more then willing to entertain that fact he dies, im just saying you don't see him die.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Your lack of evidence on this point amazes me.Now your also saying... Few buildings -> Ultima?
I realize this is difficult for you, but try and keep up with the rest of us. Try re-reading what i wrote?
I.Q -1 for you. Game FMV shows all other blasts except the 1st to be instant. Aim, Fire, simple as.
If you would kindly give us a quote from the game on terras size, please.
Or let me guess your speculating?
The power of the mind has its limits, yes, even sephys mind.
Wow, was that an OFFICIAL video?
Can you not read, i said "MOSTLY from". since this IS AC sephy thread, y'know.
Cloud > Whole FFIX party?
Main point is, sephy got BEAT.
He got defeated,
He got annihilated,
Got the point yet?
If you actually watched the fight, he wasn't trying, didn't use his powers, and still had the upperhand, but lost to a PIS omnislash move
Beat once means you can get beat again.
If anything you helped my argument showing how dumb sephy is, a flaw Kuja don't have.
My evidence you dismiss anything that goes against sephy
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
That was for starters. You forgot the part where "Kuja destroyed Terra"
(Official game quote).
Correction. Each beam destroyed the buildings THEN continued destroying more. The beam went straight through the bloody building like it was cheese.
More evidence that he was NOT even trying because the building was the primary target.
Yeah, that cannon was pretty impressive.
Don't worry ill fill in the blanks for you ^^
The cannon can only fire at 1 shot per 1-2 mins (rough guess).
The cannon has NOT got a lock on ability, target moves = cannon miss.
The cannon takes 10 times longer then Ultimas first beam charge or more.
And Sephiroth with a thought has Kuja trapped in TK, or while Kuja charges his first ultima shot, Sephiroth simply speed blitz' him and chops off his head.
I only see two out comes for this scenario;1) Your right, sephy stands there all day with his barrier up and we witness a stalemate.
2) Ultima is intensified and pierces the barrier. The toast equivalent to this outcome is it gets burned, BADLY. To the point it turns to charcoal.
Do you mind-meld with Terry when you sleep, sharing the same fantasy dream?
Sephy at best is a materia junkie with a very long sword.
Missed my response for this, oh well.So now we comparing them on how they got beat, ok.
Sephy, got beat in a 1 on 1. He also got beat by ONE attack, Ominislash, it annihilated him 100%.
Kuja, got beat in a 3 on 1, though there was 7 party members. All of them attacked him and he still survived.
He then unleashed Ultima which basically annihilated the whole party, unfortunately he too got hit, but he still survived.
Kuja finally fell over 100 feet crash landing on the lifa tree, oh my, whats this? HE STILL SURVIVED, having more then enough energy the save all the others from death and teleport them to safety.
Only after all of this dose he lay there defeated, even then it don't show him actually die. BUT WE'RE NOT ABOUT TO START ARGUING ABOUT THIS NOW ARE WE? Please don't because im more then willing to entertain that fact he dies, im just saying you don't see him die.
Yeah and Omnislash would kill Kuja as well its a clear PIS move.
Sephy, got beat in a 1 on 1. He also got beat by ONE attack, Ominislash, it annihilated him 100%.Kuja, got beat in a 3 on 1, though there was 7 party members. All of them attacked him and he still survived.
Whoa, hold up there champ. Sephiroth's physical form was only defeated by the combined efforts of 8 people. His mental battle between his persona and Cloud's in the lifestream resulted in Cloud being nearly killed, Sephiroth hesitating to finish Cloud out of arrogancer, and then Cloud taking the opening to use Omnislash. ANd that still didn't kill him, he was still active in the lifestream creating Geostigma and three remnants. Kuja, by contrast, was killed, he's gone for good.
So we have Sephiroth, who hasn't been killed yet is only defeated one on one out of sheer arrogance, and Kuja, who was just straight up killed by the FF IX party, who are far weaker than the FF VII party.
Originally posted by Terryc250
[B]No his TK works on a thought, his TK was strong enough to hold Holy which and Holy is > Ultima.
Apparently you missed/forgot my Ultima = Ultimate magic attack speech.
Holy in FFVII just has more power behind it in this game, like fira dose to fire. Overall Ultima>>Holy.
Umm obviously to destroy the surface of the planet he would have to destroy the all the buildings/genomes, wtf would shooting it at the ground do?
Shooting directly at the surface, shooting at the genomes he hates.
No, i don't see any difference in outcome. Yes, that was a lesson in sarcasm, ladys and gentlemen.
... The first is a CHARGE, to do the others he first has to launch his first right? Are you stupid? That makes the move NOT instant.
ARE YOU STUPID? If each additional shot is instant and only the first was charged, its alot more of an instant attack then a charge attack.
Compared to the cannon its a bloody speed of light attack.
Holy took even longer....we would probably all grow old waiting for its effect.
No i don't have a quote, but people i have talked to have said Terra was a small planet on the brink of death.
OK, so now fans decide whats fact in the final fantasy universe?
Like i said, just because you don't explore the world dose NOT mean its small. I mean come on, thats like saying "I don't see oxygen so its not there."
Yes and we have yet to see the limits of his mind.
Mostly from? We've never seen Sephiroth try PERIOD.
OK, so far your showing sephy might be fast and resilient but he is a complete retard, gotta wonder how he became a general with the battle sense he has.
This mans supposed to beat Kuja, who is a mastermind tactician.
I think you been dipping into the eggnog to much, man.
Wow you obviously don't know what you're talking about, i wouldn't doubt it if Cloud can defeat the whole FFIX party, they've never shown to do anything impressive
Tell me when they have had a freaking chance? FFIX the movie? FFIX-2?
You people are just hooked on FFVII, like addicts.
And for what, because FFIX had cartoon like graphics?
I can't say much for steiner, but if given the chance im sure zidane would show something "impressive".
If you actually watched the fight, he wasn't trying, didn't use his powers, and still had the upperhand, but lost to a PIS omnislash move
Sephy the retarded general lost? Dude don't go having an emotional break down on me now.
Either way sephy fights like a 10 year old with super powers in the movie, thats impressive? You men need to get out more.
With logic, if Sephiroth can stop Holy, he sure as hell can stop Kujas ultima
Ultima -> Holy, at least in EVERY other ff except FFVII. Sephy was holding back holys energy on its way to stop meteor, it was not aimed at sephy, and yes, it dose make a diffrence.
Jesus is more impressive making the walls of water create a path for him then sephy, and im not even a Christian.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Destroyed means render unusable, ruining the surface of Terra means Terra being destroyed, so yes he destroyed Terra by ruining the surface of it.
If i throw a mirror on to the floor and it shattered, i would say i destroyed the mirror, would anyone, ANYONE think i meant i scratched the surface?
When the death star was DESTROYED, did admiral ackbar think "OH MY GAWD WE ONLY SCRATCHED THE PAINTWORK?"
Did holy DESTROY meteor? Please learn the definition of the word and stop making crap up.
So..? It went through hella thin buildings, Cloud could cut down one of those buildings with a swing, the Sister Ray can floor an entire city, Sephiroth barrier took a shot from it.
Next your say ultima is weak because them buildings where made of tin, look at there shape, there is no way a weak building would be able to support that shape structure.
Its obviously stronger metal then what we use on good old earth or in midgar, i doubt clouds sword would even go 10 inches through it.
LMAO you say it as if the barrier survived the blast, it didn't. The only impressive feat of the barrier i have seen is its ability to push back the airship a few meters.
And Sephiroth with a thought has Kuja trapped in TK, or while Kuja charges his first ultima shot, Sephiroth simply speed blitz' him and chops off his head.
And sephy with a though spontaneously combusts in a fart he was holding back. Yup, just like what you said in your quote, it would never happen.
Umm why would Sephiroth stand there in do nothing, in all honesty,
Sephiroth uses the negative lifestream and destroys him, before Kuja can use his ultima
Never been used in a fight, why would he start now?
No we just both have logic and knowledge unlike you.
ok, ok, MR. Spock. Calm down please. Refrain from any hostile thoughts you might be having against your poor defenseless keyboard.
Go back to your fantasy dreams chamber.
Kuja was obviously going to lose thats why he pulled that kamikaze crap,
and oh wow, Kuja survived falling on a tree wow! Sephiroths weak remnants survived a HUGE TNT explosion
Your belittling the feat he survived the fall AFTER being beat in battle and getting hit by his own attack, Ultima, the remnants wouldn't of even survived the ultima blast.
LMAO you make the whole "I survived a TNT blast" into a "I survived a direct attack from the sister ray".
In final fantasy TNT is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G. It was more "Flashy" then anything.
Yeah and Omnislash would kill Kuja as well its a clear PIS move.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Whoa, hold up there champ. Sephiroth's physical form was only defeated by the combined efforts of 8 people. His mental battle between his persona and Cloud's in the lifestream resulted in Cloud being nearly killed, Sephiroth hesitating to finish Cloud out of arrogancer, and then Cloud taking the opening to use Omnislash. ANd that still didn't kill him, he was still active in the lifestream creating Geostigma and three remnants. Kuja, by contrast, was killed, he's gone for good.So we have Sephiroth, who hasn't been killed yet is only defeated one on one out of sheer arrogance, and Kuja, who was just straight up killed by the FF IX party, who are far weaker than the FF VII party.
We talking about FFVII AC not the game.
Jenova was the one who gave the geostigma out, as i recall.
Kuja was gone for good? WELL SO WAS SEPHY, till they made other VII related stuff and brought him back to life. They could easily do the same for Kuja or IX, but they didn't.
Note: was wrong about the 3 on 1, it was 4 vs 1 in the battle.
VII party > IX party, eh? is that what this about? Next it will be Cait Sith > Zidane, right?
or is it more of a "I dont like IX crew so they must be weak" kinda thing?
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
SHM, wheres ya stupid "don't use assumptions" for this? Oh i see sephy fan-boys till the end?
You are the fangirl here. And yes, assumptions. You always uses them.
You said Kuja's Ultima is instant. An assumption contradicted by the game itself.
You said Kuja wasn't using Ultima at full power on Terra. Another assumption you picked out of your ass.
You said that a fire spell could blow-up a planet. LOL
Your entire argument is based on assumptions and fangirlism.
The truth is... You still don't know how to debate.
We talking about FFVII AC not the game.Jenova was the one who gave the geostigma out, as i recall.
Kuja was gone for good? WELL SO WAS SEPHY, till they made other VII related stuff and brought him back to life. They could easily do the same for Kuja or IX, but they didn't.
Note: was wrong about the 3 on 1, it was 4 vs 1 in the battle.
Jenova was braindead after Nibelheim. Sephiroth was in control of its body, using it as a puppet. Sephiroth created Geostigma and had full control of it.
And as you can see, Sephiroth wasn't gone for good after he was defeated, as he shows up two years later and before that was still having an impact on the world with Geostigma and his remnants.
VII party > IX party, eh? is that what this about? Next it will be Cait Sith > Zidane, right?or is it more of a "I dont like IX crew so they must be weak" kinda thing?
No, this is a "two member of the FF VII party have been surgically enhanced" thing, and a little bit of a "the FF VII party member can jump over skyscrapers and fight like superman and the FF IX party can't even come close" thing.
So we have Sephiroth, who hasn't been killed yet is only defeated one on one out of sheer arrogance, and Kuja, who was just straight up killed by the FF IX party, who are far weaker than the FF VII party.
Killed by the FFIX party eh?
That's why he one-shotted them all then their crippled broken bodies and souls are saved by him from being destroyed?
You don't even know if it was the party who killed Kuja. He was going to die anyway as he himself said.
Sephiroth was being arrogant with the party and that's why he didn't finish them off? Nice. So was Kuja. Otherwise he would have blasted them all with Ultima to begin with.
What a horribly fallacious statement you made though.
Killed by the FFIX party eh?
That's why he one-shotted them all then their crippled broken bodies and souls are saved by him from being destroyed?
You don't even know if it was the party who killed Kuja. He was going to die anyway as he himself said.
Sephiroth was being arrogant with the party and that's why he didn't finish them off? Nice. So was Kuja. Otherwise he would have blasted them all with Ultima to begin with.What a horribly fallacious statement you made though.
No, there is nothing to suggest Kuja lost out of arrogance. He was defeated by a party of far weaker opponents as proven by Advent CHildren, and he was finished off by them once and for all. Sephiroth fought 8 warriors far stronger than anything Kuja faced, and he wasn't even fully defeated.
Nice try though, maybe one day you can win a debate.