Trance Kuja vs. AC Sephiroth

I'm a little tired of this debate.

But anyway...

"There is no need for Terra to physically exist."

But there is a need for Terra's crystal to exist. The Iifa Tree is picking the souls of it, and inserting them inside Gaia's crystal. If Terra was gone, it's crystal would be gone too. The assimilation would stop.

The fact the assimilation was still happening, is a proof Terra(and it's crystal) was still there.
Kuja didn't blew-up a planet, and everything you have is speculation that contradicts information presented in the game.

And please, let's be real. Each of Kuja's Ultimas could only destroy a building. It's ridiculous to think he could explode an entire planet with those same Ultimas.
That's pure fanboyism.

Originally posted by SHM

And please, let's be real. Each of Kuja's Ultimas could only destroy a building. It's ridiculous to think he could explode an entire planet with those same Ultimas.
That's pure fanboyism. [/B]

Zzzzz, i told you he purposely aims at the building cause he wants to kill the genomes.

1)"Why should they live without me?", well no one answered him so he proceeded to kill them.
2) He hates everything about them, which is why he hides his tail.
3) you actually see the ultima blast homing on the buildings.
4) (lol Star wars quote) "Hate leads to suffering", in this care the genomes.

Play the game, if in doubt you are. and remember you should. ^_^

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
LMAO every time i say a reason you dismiss it with some lame counter argument

Im using it to prove to you, cloud is like 10X? 20X? weaker then sephy yet his attack had the power to defeat him, at the VERY least you should admit then IF Kuja did hit him he would win. But your to dense to admit im right about something.

LMAO you dont comprehend what im saying anymore then i do you apparently.

There's not enough info on Kuja's speed feats, since he never had to use any. If you recall he was always one step ahead of his enemy, this demonstrates cunning and intelligence, which he can use against sephy.

Square-Enix send you e-mail saying that? Official source on Square-Enix webby say Sephy>Kuja in every way? Please post your OFFICIAL source of this info, oh wait you cant because its an opinion, a commonly shared opinion ill grant you. BUT AN OPINION NON THE LESS.

Originally posted by SHM
I'm a little tired of this debate.

But anyway...

"There is no need for Terra to physically exist."

But there is a need for Terra's crystal to exist. The Iifa Tree is picking the souls of it, and inserting them inside Gaia's crystal. If Terra was gone, it's crystal would be gone too. The assimilation would stop.

The fact the assimilation was still happening, is a [b]proof Terra(and it's crystal) was still there.
Kuja didn't blew-up a planet, and everything you have is speculation that contradicts information presented in the game.

And please, let's be real. Each of Kuja's Ultimas could only destroy a building. It's ridiculous to think he could explode an entire planet with those same Ultimas.
That's pure fanboyism. [/B]

Certainly razed the entire surface of a planet.

But there is a need for Terra's crystal to exist. The Iifa Tree is picking the souls of it, and inserting them inside Gaia's crystal. If Terra was gone, it's crystal would be gone too. The assimilation would stop.

Since when do Terra and Gaia have their own crystals?
Please provide dialog stating this from the game.

The fact the assimilation was still happening, is a proof Terra(and it's crystal) was still there.
Kuja didn't blew-up a planet, and everything you have is speculation that contradicts information presented in the game.

Actually, it perfectly supports it. Assimilation is about the souls, not Terra existing. When Gaian souls are all gone, Gaia becomes Terra. The Planet Terra does not exist and your presumption that blowing up Terra would destroy Gaia is baseless.

And please, let's be real. Each of Kuja's Ultimas could only destroy a building. It's ridiculous to think he could explode an entire planet with those same Ultimas.
That's pure fanboyism.

It's also ludicrous to suggest he could BDZ a planet going by the visuals. But we know he destroyed Terra so he obviously did one or the other but neither would match up with the visual calcs on his power.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Since when do Terra and Gaia have their own crystals?
Please provide dialog stating this from the game.

It's in the FFIX UOG. That's the information I found about it:

Because Terra was on the verge of dying, Garland used a specifically great magical spell called "Fusion". Compare it to Meteor and Holy from FFVII, a sort of "MONUMENTAL" spell with great powers that envelopes the planet. Fusion's ability allowed Terra to scan the universe to find "new planets", worlds that have just been created. It homes in on these planets and assimilates them with Terra. But, Fusion can only occur if the "new planets" have "pure crystals".

Lesson on planet crystals: All life originates from it and returns to it. When someone dies, they take back their memories into the crystal and these experiences allow the crystal to develop more complex forms of life. "Memories" are the key to evolution. "Pure crystals" are crystals that have yet to have any life return to them. "Impure crystals" are crystals that have already begun to absorb memories of the dead.

more:

Terra is within Gaia's core and you can see that the buildings are actually within the inner layer of the core. When you actually travel to Terra, it appears to be another world, but in fact, it's within Gaia, on dimension. If you look at the sky in Terra, I believe it's when you first arrive, you see the roots of the Iifa tree stretching upward and they are wrapped around a glowing light. That's Terra's crystal. Terra's crystal is red. Red is the color of the light a crystal sheds when it's about to die. Blue is the color of the light of a healthy crystal. They state that Each planet's crystal's aura is reflected by their moons. That's why one moon is blue and one is red. Terra's moon became Gaia's moon when the imperfect fusion occurred, but they still shines upon it. The reason the Shimmering Island is "shimmering" is because it's the light of both crystals(Gaia and Terra) shining through the island.

And finally:

In Terra's, the roots are extracting the Terran souls from it's dying crystal. In Gaia, the roots are placing Terra's souls within Gaia's crystal and are extracting Gaia's souls, taking them to the trunk where they could be turned into Mist. That's the way to make Gaia into Terra.

Actually, it perfectly supports it. Assimilation is about the souls, not Terra existing. When Gaian souls are all gone, Gaia becomes Terra. The Planet Terra does not exist and your [B]presumption that blowing up Terra would destroy Gaia is baseless.[/b]

Blowing up Terra would destroy it's crystal. The Assimilation would stop.

It's also ludicrous to suggest he could BDZ a planet going by the visuals. But we know he destroyed Terra so he obviously did one or the other but neither would match up with the visual calcs on his power.

Then let's look at the most logical possibility. If he couldn't even BDZ a planet(going by the visuals), how could he have exploded one?!
By what the game showed us, it's more logical to believe he only BDZed it.
Lets not replace "logic" with "fanboyism", please.

Can I see a source of your translation?

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Can I see a source of your translation?

Unfortunately, no one translated the FFIX UOG. That's just some information from people who read it, that I found while wandering the internet.
But I'm sure you can find more information about it, if you go to the FFIX forum of GameFAQs.

Well, I'll wait till I see actual translation as opposed to what you said someone else said what they read...you cans ee why third-hand information is not used or trusted much on the net.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Well, I'll wait till I see actual translation as opposed to what you said someone else said what they read...you cans ee why third-hand information is not used or trusted much on the net.

Whatever dude. My point still stands:

Then let's look at the most logical possibility. If he couldn't even BDZ a planet(going by the visuals), how could he have exploded one?!
By what the game showed us, it's more logical to believe he only BDZed it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
[B]Uhh, you never gave a SINGLE reason how how Kuja can beat Sephiroth, I bet your next reply you wont give any reason either.

Its in a previous post. Ultima, FlareStar, Flare and Holy. Your whole "he tk'd holy" is out of context, he did that to an attack NOT aimed at him froma position that gave him an advantage to do so.
You cant prove it would work on any of Kujas attacks that are directly aimed at seph.

OmniSlash is a clear PIS move, and only hit him because Sephiroth was toying around, Sephiroth at 100% against Kuja would TK Kujas ultima just like he did Holy, or go intageable.

Fan-Boy Opinion, your making ALOT of assumptions on sephys behalf.

You're giving a lame excuse then suddenly Sephiroth will treat Kuja like he was Cloud which makes ZERO sense whatsoever.

YOU can not tell me how EXACTLY sephy will react to Kujas challenge. Circumstances can change the flow of the battle easily. Furthermore i dont recall sephy ever facing anyone like Kuja, especially on appearance. He could mistaken him for another clone with weird fashion sense.

Kuja has no speed feats, therefore he gets speedblitz'd

I'll use your argument to me on this one. Just because you dont see it dont mean it dont exist. You dont see it because of my previous reasons.

I never said its OFFICIAL that Sephiroth > Kuja, WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE DEBATING?

Because no one knows the outcome and its a popular subject. You make everything you say like its an official source, since its not then its an opinion, your opinion. Thanks for admitting that.

In terms of feats, and powers Sephiroth > Kuja,

You referring to the lifestream again? sephy controls it, like a general controls a captain, if a captain beats a monster its NOT considered the generals feat. CORRECTION: Kuja>Sephy.

theres nothing Kuja can do to Sephiroth and theres many things Sephiroth can do to Kuja.

Theres just no reasoning with you, your clearly set on sephy no matter what anyone says. YOU, my friend are a kuja hater.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
[B]Its in a previous post. Ultima, FlareStar, Flare and Holy. Your whole "he tk'd holy" is out of context, he did that to an attack NOT aimed at him froma position that gave him an advantage to do so.
You cant prove it would work on any of Kujas attacks that are directly aimed at seph.

And Sephrioth TK'ing Holy is IN context, it happened in the game..

Fan-Boy Opinion, your making ALOT of assumptions on sephys behalf.

YOU can not tell me how EXACTLY sephy will react to Kujas challenge. Circumstances can change the flow of the battle easily. Furthermore i dont recall sephy ever facing anyone like Kuja, especially on appearance. He could mistaken him for another clone with weird fashion sense.

I'll use your argument to me on this one. Just because you dont see it dont mean it dont exist. You dont see it because of my previous reasons.

Because no one knows the outcome and its a popular subject. You make everything you say like its an official source, since its not then its an opinion, your opinion. Thanks for admitting that.

You referring to the lifestream again? sephy controls it, like a general controls a captain, if a captain beats a monster its NOT considered the generals feat. CORRECTION: Kuja>Sephy.

Theres just no reasoning with you, your clearly set on sephy no matter what anyone says. YOU, my friend are a kuja hater.

Thats just as bad as saying Wolverine will lose to Black Cat because Wolverine might slip and twist his ankle.

Originally posted by Pyron_is_God
Since when do Terra and Gaia have their own crystals?

That something im pondering. The crystal in FFIX is in memoria, not Terra and not Gaia.

From what i read in the game that single crystal is the crystal to ALL life, EVERYWHERE.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Uhh you do know Ultima is Kuja's strongest attack right? So if Ultima wont work, I don't see how any of his weaker attacks would. Tell me, whats the difference? Sephiroth stopped its movement, what would be the difference if it was aimed at meteor or Sephiroth?

1) No way can you say ultima wont work, sephy fanboyism. TK'in holy (white magic) and Ultima(black magic) is totally diffrent.
2) Ultima is a projectile attack, as is holy. Flare and FlareStar are not, they materialise them selfs around the target then explode.

And Sephrioth TK'ing Holy is IN context, it happened in the game..

Assumptions? Sephiroth was toying around, fact..

Sephy can choose to do it again, FACT.

Sephiroth can go intangeable, fact,

Kuja can teleport out of the way, FACT.

YOU can not claim Sephiroth will react to Kuja like he did with Cloud for NO reason at all, that makes no sense, thats just trying way too hard to find a reason for Sephiroth to lose.

Im not trying hard at all, im pointing out alternative ways the battle can easily go that your just dismissing.

Is there any evidence to suggest that he is extremely fast? If not then you cannot claim that.

You cant claim that he can't either, just like you wouldn't if this was limited to the PSX version of sephy (which i know it's not).

I state everything FROM official source, Sephiroth powers, etc..

That im not disputing at all.

If you had a brain, you would realise that every forum vs battle doesn NOT have a an official source to who would win, thats why we DEBATE and give reasons on who would win for a winner.

1) My brain ain't the issue here, leave it out of this.
2) I know theres no official source for who would win, if there was you would not still debating about how sephy COULD win and Kuja would be declared the winner.
3) I give reasons, you forget them and give yours thinking you know best.

Not sure how that makes any sense at all, lifestream is his power/weapon, just as his masamune blade is, How can Kuja>Sephiroth if he has no way of defeating him? And there are tons of ways Sephroth can defeat Kuja?

In AC the lifestream don't do anything sephy is just show-boating.
Ok, say Kuja broke sephys sword, unless thats made to be indestructible?
How? you ask, a spell aimed directly at his sword. Which spell? you ask, im not Kuja and so it ain't my decision.
FYI speedblitz ain't the ultimate attack and absolutely ZERO official sources say it cant be blocked.

You are giving horrible reasoning on how Kuja can win, the most ridiculous reason i've ever heard on KMC, your reason is "Well Kuja will win because Sephiroth might treat him like Cloud(which makes no sense at all because Sephiroth has no reason to)"

Thats just as bad as saying Wolverine will lose to Black Cat because Wolverine might slip and twist his ankle.

LMAO wolverine, thats the funnest thing you said. And your giving horrid reasons how sephy can take all of kujas magic, you seem to think he can deflect anything like Darth Vader deflected Han Solo blaster shots.

Sephy treating kuja like cloud is only ONE point i made because it IS a possibility, regardless of how small it is.
That like saying Jack the ripper killed his first victim purposely then all the others where accidents, he did something NEW and liked it, then continued to do it.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
1) No way can you say ultima wont work, sephy fanboyism. TK'in holy (white magic) and Ultima(black magic) is totally diffrent.
2) Ultima is a projectile attack, as is holy. Flare and FlareStar are not, they materialise them selfs around the target then explode.

Dont matter, holy was NOT aimed at sephy. If holy was aimed directly at sephy you can not say he could hold it back. Its a theory.

Sephy can choose to do it again, FACT.

Kuja can teleport out of the way, FACT

Im not trying hard at all, im pointing out alternative ways the battle can easily go that your just dismissing.

You cant claim that he can't either, just like you wouldn't if this was limited to the PSX version of sephy (which i know it's not).

1) My brain ain't the issue here, leave it out of this.
2) I know theres no official source for who would win, if there was you would not still debating about how sephy COULD win and Kuja would be declared the winner.
3) I give reasons, you forget them and give yours thinking you know best.

In AC the lifestream don't do anything sephy is just show-boating.
Ok, say Kuja broke sephys sword, unless thats made to be indestructible?
How? you ask, a spell aimed directly at his sword. Which spell? you ask, im not Kuja and so it ain't my decision.
FYI speedblitz ain't the ultimate attack and absolutely ZERO official sources say it cant be blocked.

Speedblitz works unless you can actually name something Kuja can do to defend it, without assumption.

LMAO wolverine, thats the funnest thing you said. And your giving horrid reasons how sephy can take all of kujas magic, you seem to think he can deflect anything like Darth Vader deflected Han Solo blaster shots.

Sephy treating kuja like cloud is only ONE point i made because it IS a possibility, regardless of how small it is.
That like saying Jack the ripper killed his first victim purposely then all the others where accidents, he did something NEW and liked it, then continued to do it. [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
[B]If Sephiroth can block and contain Holy, he sure as hell can do it to Ultima, unless you can actually show me Flare,etc in a cinematic, you cannot take GAMEPLAY as how the attack works, if you use GAMEPLAY, then we can say Sephiroth shoots a planetary destroying supernova against Kuja, or heartless angel bringing him on the brink of death with a single word.

1) Ultima is black magic, Holy is White magic. Black magic (Ultima) is MUCH stronger and destructive then any white magic variant (Holy), that is a final fantasy FACT.

2) There is absolutely no CGI of flare, even in FFX. But you fail to understand magic works practically the same EVERY time its used, Game battle OR CGI. SO Flare/Fstar will work as i stated.

3) Heartless angle from KH? so much for it non-canon and non-relevant.
Either way it works the same as 'Death' and Kuja has full resistance to that, THAT is officially stated.

4) Supernova dose NOT destroy F-All, Why would he need the black materia if it could? Furthermore 'Supernova' is an ability NOT magic. Bad example.

You don't understand do you? IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, Sephiroth stopped its movement PERIOD, it doesn't matter if it was going North towards Sephiroth or South towards Meteor.

"Sephiroth is holding back holy", that dose NOT say he stopped it completely.

He has no reason to, therefore he wont.

Show me Kuja's teleport plz, prove to me that its instant, Sephiroth with a stare has Kuja locked.

Anyone can tell you thats a ridiculous reason.

Well if There's no evidence or feats to back him up, we can't use it in a debate, you really need to undersatnd how debates work.

There's not exactly much anywhere on Kuja for me to use, all i can use is whats in FFIX

No you give ridiculous reasons, the only actual real threat is Kujas ultima, however that can be stopped quite easily. Kuja on the other hand has little ways he can defend against Sephiroth.

White magic and Black work differently, prove he can stop black magic like white. Again, Ultima is more powerful then holy.

Dont' state things without any evidence

Like your direct evidence that speedblitz would work on kuja like his other weaker foes?

Sephiroths sword he can create out of the lifestream, if you can't name a spell thats capable of destroying Sephiroths sword, then he can't do it

I didn't name it cause i dun wanna have to keep saying it, Ultima. Hell even flares explosion could work on it, but Ultima WOULD.

in debates we dont ASSUME things, we go by evidence and feats.

I suggest you remember that one, your assuming alot too.

Speedblitz works unless you can actually name something Kuja can do to defend it, without assumption.

Square-Enix has not given me anything i can specifically name, but your assuming an attack he used on a weakling would work on him.
Since apart from dissidia there is nothing present or upcoming to give an exact answer (yes i know dissidia ain't canon).

If Sephiroth can block Holy, he sure as hell can stop Ultima.

LMAO, your betraying your self. Thats one hell of an assumption, and you have the nerve to lay into me about doing it?

Its just as likely as Kuja doing the same thing to Sephiroth, or any character1 doing it to character2.

Wrong, so very very WRONG. Kuja dose not display that personality EVER.
He is clever, intelligent, cunning and at no point dose he play around like that show-boat sephiroth.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
[B]1) Ultima is black magic, Holy is White magic. Black magic (Ultima) is MUCH stronger and destructive then any white magic variant (Holy), that is a final fantasy FACT.

2) There is absolutely no CGI of flare, even in FFX. But you fail to understand magic works practically the same EVERY time its used, Game battle OR CGI. SO Flare/Fstar will work as i stated.

3) Heartless angle from KH? so much for it non-canon and non-relevant.
Either way it works the same as 'Death' and Kuja has full resistance to that, THAT is officially stated.

4) Supernova dose NOT destroy F-All, Why would he need the black materia if it could? Furthermore 'Supernova' is an ability NOT magic. Bad example.

"Sephiroth is holding back holy", that dose NOT say he stopped it completely.

Theory.

I dont work for Square i cant just create a CGI of kuja teleporting, play the game and see it for your self.

There's not exactly much anywhere on Kuja for me to use, all i can use is whats in FFIX

White magic and Black work differently, prove he can stop black magic like white. Again, Ultima is more powerful then holy.

Like your direct evidence that speedblitz would work on kuja like his other weaker foes?

I didn't name it cause i dun wanna have to keep saying it, Ultima. Hell even flares explosion could work on it, but Ultima WOULD.

I suggest you remember that one, your assuming alot too.

Square-Enix has not given me anything i can specifically name, but your assuming an attack he used on a weakling would work on him.
Since apart from dissidia there is nothing present or upcoming to give an exact answer (yes i know dissidia ain't canon).

LMAO, your betraying your self. Thats one hell of an assumption, and you have the nerve to lay into me about doing it?

Wrong, so very very WRONG. Kuja dose not display that personality EVER.
He is clever, intelligent, cunning and at no point dose he play around like that show-boat sephiroth.

Originally posted by Terryc250
[B]No your wrong, Holy is the antithesis of the Black Materia, its the only thing powerful enough to stop it, its capable of destroying an entire planet just as meteor is.

But the planet its self is not evil, so it wont. Sephiroth was evil and it didn't.

If Holy>Meteor and Sephy>Holy, why didn't sephy just wound the planet himself.

No its not, so if Sephiroth used Supernova, you would be seeing planets exploding over and over? Gameplay is not the same as a cinematic/movie.

Supernova is NOT a magic spell. Well at least we agree on that.

Heartless Angel is from both FFVII and KH, no Heartless Angel has never not worked before, it is a 100% hit, htis everyone from cloud to tifa, to even Sora from KH, theres no way to avoid it after he casts.

How abilities work against hero's all depend on what resistances they can learn in the game, sora dose not have one. ppl like sephy and kuja are automatically given total resistance to abilities like that.

He used Meteor to create a wound, not to destroy the planet genius. Supernova is a summon.

OK, 'genius' if its a summon how comes you cant use it with master summon materia? Supernova is an ABILITY.

He stopped it from being able to move at all, yes he stopped it completely.

He stopped it from proceeding, like a bouncer in a door way. He did not fully contain it in a glass jar.

Theory? Wow.. just wow, i've never dealt with anyone at your intelligence on this board before..

How i handle a debate and what my current I.Q is what it comes to real life stuff is totally irrelevant.
Fact, none of sephys previous opponents where as strong as kuja.
Fact, up until he fought cloud in the reactor and got OWNED, he had never been beaten before or seen feats of that strength.

See the similarities and why he could be left vulnerable by his arrogance, which has caused he to be beaten before, FACT!

Sephiroth will treat Kuja just like he treats EVERYONE else, which means he will kill him instantly.. unless there is a reason, but is there a reason? No.

Refrain from posting such crap, i have given multiple reasons.

Find me a video of him teleporting, you're suppose to provide evidence, if you don't have any proof that his teleporting is instant, then it won't work in this debate.

LOL it doesn't work because you cant see it? Don't be so cheap and buy IX and play it. Also there are no videos of it cause it don't take place in a CGI.

Well if there isn't enough evidence that Kuja is powerful in FFIX, then don't put him on Sephiroths level.

1) im not, im putting him above lil sephiroth level, at least in sheer power.
2) NO evidence that kuja is powerful? You are totally mad, now you think he is powerless?
3) This video proves TWO things, ONE: Kuja dose have power, TWO: watch the blasts, they are quite clearly aimed at the building NOT the planet.
View and learn.

How do they work differently? White magic is capable of destroying everything just as Black magic is, How is ultima more powerful then holy? Because Ultima destroyed the surface of terra? Holy is capable of doing that to GAIA.

They work differently cause they are different types of magic. White magic (holy) "will destroy anything it considers evil", 1) Bugen was WRONG, bringing me back to a point i made before about him being wrong. 2) Either way ya look at it that dose not mean it will OR can destroy everything. Ultima on the other hand WILL destroy ANYTHING its aimed at.

If you can't give me any evidence that Kuja is capable of defending against it, then yes it will work.

1) You can't give me evidence it will work on someone like him, unlike 'just some random guy'.
2) You don't know for a fact he even would use it.

Elemental damage has never really worked against Sephiroth, and Ultima is not more powerful then Holy, unless you can prove this, don't spout nonsense.

Well, taken from wikipedia "Flare, a generally non-elemental spell which appeared as Fire-based". This also means the same for Flare-star.
More fabulous evidence from wikipedia, "Ultima, a non-elemental spell that generally appears as the most powerful offensive spell accessible".

No everything i state about Sephiroth is facts and logic, you have been just assuming things about both Kuja and Sephiroth, you have not provided any evidence for anything.

Ask and ye shall receive.

You cannot claim "well maybe Kuja has something up his sleeve he hasnt shown yet" no you cannot claim those sort of things in a debate.

Well you cant claim "sephiroth the high and mighty (who im a fanboy of) will just defeat kuja with ease".

What has Ultima shown that Holy isn't capable of doing? Thats right, nothing.

Nothing? Hmmmm, being a total kick arse move that Kuja has complete control of.
Being able to attack the whole party, where as Holy is a single target attack.
Hell, play any FF game and i guarantee Ultima dmg>Holy dmg. (less its a stupid zombie or other undead monster where holy gets a damage multiplier).

And Sephiroth only did it once to Cloud and had his reasons for it, everyone else he instantly owned them, please comprehend that in your slow-mind.

Comprehend that sephy was human(or at least partly), thus thinks like one.
If he dose something and enjoys it, like toying with cloud, he WILL do it again. His reason would be that of fun of enjoyment.

Originally posted by UltimaKuja
But the planet its self is not evil, so it wont. Sephiroth was evil and it didn't.

If Holy>Meteor and Sephy>Holy, why didn't sephy just wound the planet himself.

Supernova is NOT a magic spell. Well at least we agree on that.

How abilities work against hero's all depend on what resistances they can learn in the game, sora dose not have one. ppl like sephy and kuja are automatically given total resistance to abilities like that.

OK, 'genius' if its a summon how comes you cant use it with master summon materia? Supernova is an ABILITY.

He stopped it from proceeding, like a bouncer in a door way. He did not fully contain it in a glass jar.

How i handle a debate and what my current I.Q is what it comes to real life stuff is totally irrelevant.
Fact, none of sephys previous opponents where as strong as kuja.
Fact, up until he fought cloud in the reactor and got OWNED, he had never been beaten before or seen feats of that strength.

See the similarities and why he could be left vulnerable by his arrogance, which has caused he to be beaten before, FACT!

Refrain from posting such crap, i have given multiple reasons.

LOL it doesn't work because you cant see it? Don't be so cheap and buy IX and play it. Also there are no videos of it cause it don't take place in a CGI.

1) im not, im putting him above lil sephiroth level, at least in sheer power.
2) NO evidence that kuja is powerful? You are totally mad, now you think he is powerless?
3) This video proves TWO things, ONE: Kuja dose have power, TWO: watch the blasts, they are quite clearly aimed at the building NOT the planet.
View and learn.

They work differently cause they are different types of magic. White magic (holy) "will destroy anything it considers evil", 1) Bugen was WRONG, bringing me back to a point i made before about him being wrong. 2) Either way ya look at it that dose not mean it will OR can destroy everything. Ultima on the other hand WILL destroy ANYTHING its aimed at.

Bugenhagen says it can destroy everything, so that means it can.

Ultima wont be destroying anything when Sephiroth TKs Kuja, he wont even beable to cast it.

1) You can't give me evidence it will work on someone like him, unlike 'just some random guy'.
2) You don't know for a fact he even would use it.

2) what you just said makes no sense, thats like saying Kuja wont use ultima, or any of his powers for that matter, we don't know for a fact he will.

Well, taken from wikipedia "Flare, a generally non-elemental spell which appeared as Fire-based". This also means the same for Flare-star.
More fabulous evidence from wikipedia, "Ultima, a non-elemental spell that generally appears as the most powerful offensive spell accessible".

Ask and ye shall receive.

Give me evidence that Ultima can break through Sephiroths TK even if Holy isn't able to, and no dont reply saying "Well one is white magic and one is black, and Bugenhagen is LYING!" No, white magic is capable of doing the same destruction as black materia, and no.. just no.. bugenhagen isn't lying.

Give me evidence that Kuja is capable of surviving the lifestream, and don't say "Well Kuja is from another world and hes a sorcerer!" Lifestream works on ANYTHING, from people to giant meteors.

Give me REAL eviddence, use examples from the game, or feats hes accomplished, etc

Well you cant claim "sephiroth the high and mighty (who im a fanboy of) will just defeat kuja with ease".

Nothing? Hmmmm, being a total kick arse move that Kuja has complete control of.
Being able to attack the whole party, where as Holy is a single target attack.
Hell, play any FF game and i guarantee Ultima dmg>Holy dmg. (less its a stupid zombie or other undead monster where holy gets a damage multiplier).

Stop using gameplay from other FF games as examples, Ultima in FF7 is NOTHING compared to meteor or holy, even dragons had the attack, every magic varies from game to game, Holy in FF7 can cause planetary destruction as well as Meteor.

Comprehend that sephy was human(or at least partly), thus thinks like one.
If he dose something and enjoys it, like toying with cloud, he WILL do it again. His reason would be that of fun of enjoyment.

Sephiroth's Negative Lifestream is weaker than the real thing.
And TK? I guess TK would help against Neo Exdeath too? Funny shit.