Originally posted by Terryc250The picture says different
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Already countered.
-The long half-cape thing around his waist doesn't even have a real life counterpart as far as I can tell. He uses it to hide his tail.-Thongs have been worn long before it was used as a primarily female form of clothing.
-The top he wears is some sort of armor.
Originally posted by Terryc250
......Its a female belly dancers outfit
Its the outfit for a man with a "perfect body" who has a "narcissism" personality.
He dose not wear it to appear like a girl, he dose not do it because he desires to look like a girl.
He dose it to show-boat to everyone, just try and get over your jealousy.
Went back a lil and found this.... (is sorry for double post T.T)
Originally posted by Terryc250
It was said that kefka destroyed the world, but he didn't literally blow up the entire planet(if he did, he wouldve been dead, same with kuja), he did the same thing kuja did which was destroy the entire surface making it inhabitant, it even showed Kuja just destroying the surface 😬Anyway, he did it to a planet without the protagonists on, if the protagonists weren't on the planet Sephiroth was on, he would've transformed the entire planet into his personal vessel raiding other planets.
From this i read, kuja did all that dmg and not destroy the planet without the heros on the planet. WRONG!
Zidand beats kuja, kuja gets mad and trances, Kuja owns Zidane, kuja attacks the planet THEN Zidane recovers and gets the genomes and flees.
FYI, they don't show us what Zidane and Mikito see as they flee in the Invincible.
As you like to point out about the main story line, so will i.....Planet blows up instantly = no story ending. So, it would make sense Terra goes like the death star AFTER they get onboard, which again we don't see.
Before flaming ya counter argument, read and understand. In-game understanding and accuracy in texts (what they say) have improved since FF6, when mikito says he destroyed terra i suggest you take it literally. Kuja would not of gone with the planet either, he would of teleported like he dose in the game to memoria and killed everyone.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Went back a lil and found this.... (is sorry for double post T.T)From this i read, kuja did all that dmg and not destroy the planet without the heros on the planet. WRONG!
Zidand beats kuja, kuja gets mad and trances, Kuja owns Zidane, kuja attacks the planet THEN Zidane recovers and gets the genomes and flees.
FYI, they don't show us what Zidane and Mikito see as they flee in the Invincible.
As you like to point out about the main story line, so will i.....Planet blows up instantly = no story ending. So, it would make sense Terra goes like the death star AFTER they get onboard, which again we don't see.Before flaming ya counter argument, read and understand. In-game understanding and accuracy in texts (what they say) have improved since FF6, when mikito says he destroyed terra i suggest you take it literally. Kuja would not of gone with the planet either, he would of teleported like he dose in the game to memoria and killed everyone.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I meant the main protagonist planet, Gaia, or wutever FFIX calls it.. It was said that Kefka destroyed the world as well, but did he literally blow it up? No.
Kuja dose not attack Gaia, as you should know he attacked Terra.
Did u read what i said about text accuracy? Don't compare FF6 to FF9 please.
1) I'm saying its about 80-95%% likely Terra went Boom!!
2) Square-Enix, like other companys get more accurate in what they want the people to understand.
3) I noticed your not in denial about what i said, cant you bring your self to even say "you might be right?"
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Dose he still look like a "belly dancer"?
Originally posted by IdiotGod
Terra wasn't dying. You've said this a few times now so I thought I'd point out you're completely wrong.
Garland wanted to replace Gaia's cicle of souls with Terra's cicle of souls, because Terra was dying or was already dead. Either way, Terra was a joke if compared to other planets of FF universe, and by that reason, Kuja destroying it's surface is not THAT impressive.
UltimaKuja, you say that "it's not only about fighting", but you have to understand that all threads on this forum are about fighting(only fighting), and all characters are suposed to be in bloodlust mode. Those rules only changes when the OP says so.
And unfortunatelly for you, FFVII is more popular than FFIX and have an entire Compilation about it. Therefore, Sephiroth have more feats and they make him stronger than Kuja. It's a little unfair I know, but it's reality. We have to accept it.
And for Kuja's own good, don't use the argument that "Bugenhagen was lying".
We only saw Kuja destroying buildings/towers of Bran-Bal. The notion that he destroyed a world is only based on what Mikoto said. If you say that Bugen was lying, I can say Mikoto was lying too. And that makes Kuja, at best, a building-buster(each one of his Ultimas was only destroying a building).
So, if you use the horrible logic that "characters lie withou any reason", you makes Trance Kuja look like a joke.
About Kuja "blowing-up" a planet... It's mentioned in the game and explained in the UOG, that Terra is located in the core of Gaia.
If Terra blew-up, Gaia should have exploded too.
Garland wanted to replace Gaia's cicle of souls with Terra's cicle of souls, because Terra was dying or was already dead. Either way, Terra was a joke if compared to other planets of FF universe, and by that reason, Kuja destroying it's surface is not THAT impressive.
A. No it wasn't dying. It was on the cusp of eternal prosperity in stasis awaiting the absorption of Gaia. This is told to use in Deilvert.
B. What planets in FF can travel through space and absorb other planets?
Yet Terra is a joke to them? Right.
Originally posted by IdiotGod
A. No it wasn't dying. It was on the cusp of eternal prosperity in stasis awaiting the absorption of Gaia. This is told to use iN Deilvert.
And Garland wanted to "absorb" Gaia, because Terra was going to die otherwise.
B. What planets in FF can travel through space and absorb other planets? Yet Terra is a joke to them? Right.
I was talking about size and the living-beings on it, not about what it could do. Terra was smaller than Gaia(and other planets from FF series) and only inhabited by Genomes. From what we know, it had only Bran-Bal and Pandemonium.
You cannot compare that, with the big planets full of life from the other FFs.
Originally posted by IdiotGod
Just like it should have blown up when Terra went inside Gaia?
That's ridiculous. Not all magic spells causes the same effect.
Garland used a spell with the purpose of merging two planets, not destroying them.
But Ultima is a destructive spell. It's purpose is to destroy. Therefore, If it blew-up Terra it would have exploded Gaia.
And Kuja didn't blew-up a planet, simply because all evidences points otherwise. The FMV showing Kuja destroying only the city of Bran-Bal, Kuja in the Crystal World stating that the process of assimilation between the two planets was still happening(something impossible if Terra was totally gone), the fact that there is no FMV or cutscene of a planet exploding, etc.
There is no evidence Kuja blew-up a planet. It's pure fanboy bullshit.
Originally posted by SHM
And for Kuja's own good, don't use the argument that "Bugenhagen was lying".
We only saw Kuja destroying buildings/towers of Bran-Bal. The notion that he destroyed a world is only based on what Mikoto said. If you say that Bugen was lying, I can say Mikoto was lying too. And that makes Kuja, at best, a building-buster(each one of his Ultimas was only destroying a building).
So, if you use the horrible logic that "characters lie withou any reason", you makes Trance Kuja look like a joke.About Kuja "blowing-up" a planet... It's mentioned in the game and explained in the UOG, that Terra is located in the core of Gaia.
If Terra blew-up, Gaia should have exploded too.
I NEVER said he was lying, he was speculating and could of been wrong.
He destroyed the building at first because he was targeting the other genomes, he absolutely hated them and what they represented.
Mikito said something she ACTUALLY WITNESSED from the invincible, Bugen however was not. After the "Hero's" of FFIX left Gaia however Kuja Easily had the power to make it go boom.
Terra is pathetic? So now theres an official planet size meter? o.o
The planet its self was not dying, only the process where souls are reborn was the problem with Terra, which it could no longer support.
The process of assimilation of the Terran souls INTO Gaia, is what he is referring to.
Finally, i never said i was 100% certain he did blow it up, i said it was highly likely and an achievable goal for someone with his power.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Kuja dose not attack Gaia, as you should know he attacked Terra.Did u read what i said about text accuracy? Don't compare FF6 to FF9 please.
1) I'm saying its about 80-95%% likely Terra went Boom!!
2) Square-Enix, like other companys get more accurate in what they want the people to understand.
3) I noticed your not in denial about what i said, cant you bring your self to even say "you might be right?"
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Where are you basing your percentage on? You have no evidence, proof, or anything that even points to Terra blowing up.
So unless you have anything to backup your claims, no you are not right.
Mikito said Kuja destroyed Terra, so? It was said that Kefka destroyed the world, it DOES NOT mean he BLEW IT UP
I can destroy a painting by throwing mud on it or more paint on it, i dont have to burn it or rip it to shreds
Originally posted by Terryc250
You don't understand how this forum works, you cannot claim ANYTHING without evidence, if you have no proof, then the only thing we know is what we saw, which is the surface being destroyed. You [b]CANNOT i repeat CANNOT claim the planet blew up without EVIDENCEWhere are you basing your percentage on? You have no evidence, proof, or anything that even points to Terra blowing up.
So unless you have anything to backup your claims, no you are not right.
Mikito said Kuja destroyed Terra, so? It was said that Kefka destroyed the world, it DOES NOT mean he BLEW IT UP
I can destroy a painting by throwing mud on it or more paint on it, i dont have to burn it or rip it to shreds [/B]
Ok, no evidence....no one has any evidence sephy can kill Kuja, all u have to go on is your belief from what you see him do to other people. If you wanna play it that way this thread cant have two different people from two different games, can it?
When FFIX gets re-released, ill have all the evidence i need. (maybe o.o)
Mikito was evacuating Terra on an air-ship, meaning she could see it on the screen or out a window, meaning what she said can be taken a lot more literal then what Kefka did.
The painting thing is inaccurate, a painting is a personal belonging to someone who made it, naturally they would say something like "you destroyed my work".
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
I NEVER said he was lying, he was speculating and could of been wrong.
If something is stated by a reliable source/character(like the "Guru" of FFVII), and is not contradicted by anything in the story, then it's true.
He destroyed the building at first because he was targeting the other genomes
Speculation.
Mikito said something she ACTUALLY WITNESSED from the invincible, Bugen however was not. After the "Hero's" of FFIX left Gaia however Kuja Easily had the power to make it go boom.
Mikoto saw the begining of the destruction, not the end of it. She was running away on the Invincible, not watching Kuja destroy the planet.
And if Terra "go boom", Gaia "go boom" too.
Terra is pathetic? So now theres an official planet size meter? o.o
Nope. We don't need a "planet size meter" because we have "logic and common sense".
Terra was inside Gaia. So it's obvious the planet is smaller than Gaia.
The planet its self was not dying, only the process where souls are reborn was the problem with Terra, which it could no longer support.
From what I heard, the UOG states that Terra was dying. It gives a very good explanation about it. I could post what I know, if you want.
The process of assimilation of the Terran souls INTO Gaia, is what he is referring to.
Without Terra, there is no crystal to contain the souls, no connection between Gaia and Terra(by the Iifa Tree) and therefore, no assimilation.
Finally, i never said i was 100% certain he did blow it up, i said it was highly likely and an achievable goal for someone with his power.
Again: If Terra "go boom", Gaia "go boom" too.
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
Ok, no evidence....no one has any evidence sephy can kill Kuja, all u have to go on is your belief from what you see him do to other people. If you wanna play it that way this thread cant have two different people from two different games, can it?When FFIX gets re-released, ill have all the evidence i need. (maybe o.o)
Mikito was evacuating Terra on an air-ship, meaning she could see it on the screen or out a window, meaning what she said can be taken a lot more literal then what Kefka did.
The painting thing is inaccurate, a painting is a personal belonging to someone who made it, naturally they would say something like "you destroyed my work".
This is a versus forum debate, obviously theres no proof, thats why we debate and see who would win, so far theres SEVERAL ways Sephiroth can kill Kuja, and ZERO ways Kuja can kill Sephiroth. LISTEN, you CANNOT claim Terra blew up without proof, comprehend that please, Terra's surface was destroyed, thats what we saw so thats what it is, unless you have evidence to state otherwise.. if not, then NO.
Mikito was evacuating Terra on an air-ship, meaning she could see it on the screen or out a window, meaning what she said can be taken a lot more literal then what Kefka did.
Do you even know the definition of destroy? Destroy does NOT neccesarily mean BLOW UP.
Destroy means to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, to injure beyond repair, etc, etc.
The painting thing is inaccurate, a painting is a personal belonging to someone who made it, naturally they would say something like "you destroyed my work
Someone can steal a persons life saving, kick them out from their home, fire them from their job, and that person life can be "destroyed"
All you say has a possibility of being true, i wont deny that.
But the main thing i hear from you is....
"oh sephys immortal",
"oh sephys unbeatable",
"oh sephys to good",
"oh my sephy can do this and that OH and this too",
I have stated multiple ways sephy could be defeated, you however ignore my arguments completely and return with one of the above phrases.
Contemplate this, no matter how strong sephy is, no matter how much he held back in AC, in the end clouds ominislash hit's sephy and beats him.
Now holding back on skills and abilities is one thing, but holding back on how much damage he can receive and endure is totally different. Which also indicates he DOSE have a breaking point and is not immortal as you tend to believe.
Unless of course your next argument is gonna be "he let himself be beaten, but will be back".
Originally posted by UltimaKuja
All you say has a possibility of being true, i wont deny that.But the main thing i hear from you is....
"oh sephys immortal",
"oh sephys unbeatable",
"oh sephys to good",
"oh my sephy can do this and that OH and this too",
I have stated multiple ways sephy could be defeated, you however ignore my arguments completely and return with one of the above phrases.
Contemplate this, no matter how strong sephy is, no matter how much he held back in AC, in the end clouds ominislash hit's sephy and beats him.
Now holding back on skills and abilities is one thing, but holding back on how much damage he can receive and endure is totally different. Which also indicates he DOSE have a breaking point and is not immortal as you tend to believe.
Unless of course your next argument is gonna be "he let himself be beaten, but will be back". [/B]
And Garland wanted to "absorb" Gaia, because Terra was going to die othaerwise.
Yep. On the cusp of eternal prosperity with just the absorption of Gaia being the final piece.
Hardly dying.
I was talking about size and the living-beings on it, not about what it could do. Terra was smaller than Gaia(and other planets from FF series)
Please prove this.
and only inhabited by Genomes. From what we know, it had only Bran-Bal and Pandemonium.
You cannot compare that, with the big planets full of life from the other FFs.
Why not?
The population of a planet means like, nothing.
Garland used a spell with the purpose of merging two planets, not destroying them.
But Ultima is a destructive spell. It's purpose is to destroy. Therefore, If it blew-up Terra it would have exploded Gaia.
Except Terra is not directly connected to Gaia.
So, please prove to me that planets that can magically inhabit the cores of othr planets would destroy other planets when they themselves were destroyed.
And Kuja didn't blew-up a planet, simply because all evidences points otherwise. The FMV showing Kuja destroying only the city of Bran-Bal, Kuja in the Crystal World stating that the process of assimilation between the two planets was still happening(something impossible if Terra was totally gone), the fact that there is no FMV or cutscene of a planet exploding, etc.
Not exactly. The souls of Terra are already in Gaia. but Gaia still has enough of its own souls that is isn't completely Terra. this is why Kuja says
Hmph. You honestly think you can beat me? Even if you do, Gaia's already doomed. Its assimilation by Terra has begun, and the Iifa Tree will incite a cataclysmic destruction of Gaia.
And Garland
Garland: Even now, the Iifa Tree blocks the flow of Gaia's souls, while it lets those of Terra flow freely.
Even if Terra is destroyed, the souls of Gaia are stopped while the Terran souls already present flow freely. All life and souls of Gaia will be gone and the Terran souls already in Gaia will be all that's left. Gaia becomes Terra then.
There is no need for Terra to physically exist.
As for blowing up Terra
Amarant: Do you really think [Kuja] perished with Terra?
Now, examine that quote. If Kuja did nothing but strafe the world with magic, how would he perish along with it? I deduce, and I feel I’m definitely not going out on a limb here, that Amarant is saying Kuja did indeed blow up or cause some sort of cataclysm on Terra. How else would he “perish” along with it? When I hear that line, I have an image of a planet exploding and Kuja caught up in it. Does that seem too farfetched or reaching? I just don't see how merely strafing a planet would pose any danger to Kuja's life.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Never said ANY of that once, don't know where your getting that from
Said no. Implied, yes.
No you've never stated a SINGLE way Kuja can beat him. I'm still waiting..
LMAO every time i say a reason you dismiss it with some lame counter argument
Why are you bringing Cloud into this?
Im using it to prove to you, cloud is like 10X? 20X? weaker then sephy yet his attack had the power to defeat him, at the VERY least you should admit then IF Kuja did hit him he would win. But your to dense to admit im right about something.
Cloud has no place in this debate, i've already told you NUMEROUS times why Sephiroth lost to Cloud, your mind still has yet to comprehend it for some reason.
LMAO you dont comprehend what im saying anymore then i do you apparently.
Kuja cant hit Sephiroth, because Sephiroth at 100% is faster then Loz, Sephiroth also has intangebility powers, no one said Sephiroth is immortal stop spouting nonsense.
There's not enough info on Kuja's speed feats, since he never had to use any. If you recall he was always one step ahead of his enemy, this demonstrates cunning and intelligence, which he can use against sephy.
Huh? No, Sephiroth will eliminate Kuja, Kuja really has no way of defeating Sephiroth. [/B]
Square-Enix send you e-mail saying that? Official source on Square-Enix webby say Sephy>Kuja in every way? Please post your OFFICIAL source of this info, oh wait you cant because its an opinion, a commonly shared opinion ill grant you. BUT AN OPINION NON THE LESS.
I changed my quoting, happy? -_-