Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Look man, you're actually trying to criticize me for listening to the creator, producer and writer of the movie. Don't you just look at sentence and go, yeah, maybe I'm being a little silly. His opinion is EXPONENTIALLY more important and valuable than yours correct? More valuable than any sids apologist correct? The reality is, he never not once said Sids threw the fight. In fact, he's been quoted and saying the EXACT opposite in many ways and even having then writer of the book say the same thing. Simple. Your opinion on inferences and this and that are utterly meaningless compared to that.

Yes, I believe Windu won the fight. That is what we saw, so why would I say something different? He won, he disarmed sids of his weapon and had him at his mercy. That doesn't mean he would win every time, because he wouldn't, but that time he did. It's really that simple. Get over it

So because someone doesn't say something that according to you means it never happens he never said sidious didn't throw the fight and I'm not saying it bad you listen to the producer and all of them I'm just asking you to use your own sense into this if sidious can stalemate yoda a person who can defeat windu why would he lose to someone less sense yoda has more experience than both and all that sidious wanted to accomplish I can give you actual evidence to why it's possible and most likely true sidious threw the fight as he is the greater duelist and he wanted convert a akin which he knew would some how save him this his final test for his conversion to the dark side and this is proven by the commentary by George Lucas that that was the first test then killing windu was the second test and there are quotes that also points to my side and inferences are based on facts that you use so they hold the same weight since they use the same facts from the same source only adding ones knowledge of the subject to form a conclusion so they are meaningful

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So because someone doesn't say something that according to you means it never happens that could also be that he leaves room for speculation of the fans he never said sidious didn't throw the fight and I'm not saying it bad you listen to the producer and all of them I'm just asking you to use your own sense into this if sidious can stalemate yoda a person who can defeat windu why would he lose to someone less sense yoda has more experience than both and all that sidious wanted to accomplish I can give you actual evidence to why it's possible and most likely true sidious threw the fight as he is the greater duelist and he wanted convert a akin which he knew would some how save him this his final test for his conversion to the dark side and this is proven by the commentary by George Lucas that that was the first test then killing windu was the second test and there are quotes that also points to my side and inferences are based on facts that you use so they hold the same weight since they use the same facts from the same source only adding ones knowledge of the subject to form a conclusion so they are meaningful

Re read the quote I added something in there

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So because someone doesn't say something that according to you means it never happens he never said sidious didn't throw the fight and I'm not saying it bad you listen to the producer and all of them I'm just asking you to use your own sense into this if sidious can stalemate yoda a person who can defeat windu why would he lose to someone less sense yoda has more experience than both and all that sidious wanted to accomplish I can give you actual evidence to why it's possible and most likely true sidious threw the fight as he is the greater duelist and he wanted convert a akin which he knew would some how save him this his final test for his conversion to the dark side and this is proven by the commentary by George Lucas that that was the first test then killing windu was the second test and there are quotes that also points to my side and inferences are based on facts that you use so they hold the same weight since they use the same facts from the same source only adding ones knowledge of the subject to form a conclusion so they are meaningful

NO they don't hold the same weight at all NOT EVEN CLOSE. I have the writer of the movie.. book.. script.. producer ALL saying Sids tried to kill Mace... all say mace overpowered him... they even had Sids say DIE.. DIE... as he fires super powerful lighting. Those are all VERY clear NOT ambiguous statements. If you think what you've presented is on that level, then you literally have no idea what evidence and facts are and how to weight them.

Think about all that is on my side... then look at your side. You use a fight with Anakin and Dooku where Sids was testing. Anakin. Okay cool, THAT DOESN'T IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM INFERE THAT SIDS THROUGH THE FIGHT. One has literally nothing to do with the other. It could have significance IF they actually said he threw the fight.. THEN we could go back and look at this and that and go yeah.. this is why he did that.. see the signs. Yet, they didn't say that... not in the movie.. .the script... the book.. NO PLACE. You simply CANNON get around the fact that they included TONS of useful dialogue and information FAR LESS important plot point than Sids throwing a fight and had no issue and no time constraints to include that. Yet, they had no time for something far more significant.. And you think that is logical? The simple fact that you believe this is logical and can't even admit that doesn't really makes sense is why you are the one biased you are the one who's judgment is clouded. You can't even admit this fact or when you're wrong. Listen I don't care what you believe, just don't tell me the facts are on your side.. they aren't, and it's not even close.

Yoda is better OVERALL than Windu but that doesn't mean he matches up better than Windu against sids either. You didn't even both to understand my boxing analogy did you? That is why you're struggling here. Chavez is a far greater All time boxer than Oscar is.. yet that didn't mean Oscar didn't give Pernell Whitaker a tougher and better fight. He brings stuff to the table that Chavez couldn't against whitaker.. speed.. size.. youth... etc etc. Yet, chavez is still rated higher by everybody all time. See how that works? Same thing here... Windu CAN leech power and stamina from Sids that Yoda can't do. Windu is physically stronger than Yoda with more leverage. Notice how Mace didn't even move when the lighting was fired at him.. yet yoda because he's small in stature and weight was blown back by lighting while sids remained in the Pod. That is an example of how style can make fights. It's not that Windu is more powerful than yoda or better per se (though I would submit he's likely just as good as Yoda in sabers) but he matches up well against Darksiders thanks to his form. That is his form.. we can't just throw that out the window because it amps him... That's how he fights. The fact that you can't grasp this concept tells me you haven't watched much boxing or mma

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2 Being more powerful than ahsoka is not a huge feat (until we see the next episode of rebels)

It is when a feat she and some schmucks peformed was calc'd at 26 tons of TNT

A wizard of adequate power can lift a heavy object

Not to the level of upper tier Sith and Jedi, someone like Mace Windu could prolly solo Hogwarts

Fire well yoda has not been shown according to the movies since you guys love them so much not having that strong of durability the biggest durability is flying from the senate pod to the chancellors podium and then falling to the ground now the ground part he had a slight cushion when his nail carved into the podium now all of those things cannot amount to what dumbledores fire can do to him like burn him to ash

First, sentences. Learn them. ****ing hell I can barely tell what you're saying most of the time

And again, Jedi have considerable durability, being able to survive being a few feet away from some pretty hefty explosions

Did you watch Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix the second spell he did was a ginormous water takeover so kinda is his typical amo to use large spells early so I mean yoda could but he's going up against his Harry Potter equal the old mentor

Nice non sequiter, still waiting for him using vines or the AK or whatever

Point is, if you're going to insist Yoda can't do something because he didn't do it in every single situation, you cannot harp on about obscure ass spells that only happened once throughout the series and were performed by completely different characters

We call that in the business, a blatant double standard. You cannot have it both ways

Well as k said before it doesn't help when all from the movies we have seen yoda just stand there as a first move so all dumbledore needs to do is shoot avada kedavra and that it because yoda would just stand there as in all his fights in the movies

It's simply CIS, Yoda's not a killer, being a Jedi and all that. However since we don't tend to factor CIS in debates that's pretty much null and void

Now from what I've seen of you, you look to be a fanboy, just a fair warning we don't take too kindly to your type here. So if you don't want to be yet another complete and total laughing stock (read: quanchi, Burning Thought, yungz) I suggest you take Dumbledore's erectile dysfunct penis out of your mouth and start debating properly

Also for the record, low end showings don't count as valid evidence here, though if you want to use them fine by me, but you don't get to harp on about obscure ass spells Dumbledore's never actually done himself and all kinds super high end feats in HP (though not that HP has anything that could be considered a "super feat" by fictional standards)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
NO they don't hold the same weight at all NOT EVEN CLOSE. I have the writer of the movie.. book.. script.. producer ALL saying Sids tried to kill Mace... all say mace overpowered him... they even had Sids say DIE.. DIE... as he fires super powerful lighting. Those are all VERY clear NOT ambiguous statements. If you think what you've presented is on that level, then you literally have no idea what evidence and facts are and how to weight them.

Think about all that is on my side... then look at your side. You use a fight with Anakin and Dooku where Sids was testing. Anakin. Okay cool, THAT DOESN'T IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM INFERE THAT SIDS THROUGH THE FIGHT. One has literally nothing to do with the other. It could have significance IF they actually said he threw the fight.. THEN we could go back and look at this and that and go yeah.. this is why he did that.. see the signs. Yet, they didn't say that... not in the movie.. .the script... the book.. NO PLACE. You simply CANNON get around the fact that they included TONS of useful dialogue and information FAR LESS important plot point than Sids throwing a fight and had no issue and no time constraints to include that. Yet, they had no time for something far more significant.. And you think that is logical? The simple fact that you believe this is logical and can't even admit that doesn't really makes sense is why you are the one biased you are the one who's judgment is clouded. You can't even admit this fact or when you're wrong. Listen I don't care what you believe, just don't tell me the facts are on your side.. they aren't, and it's not even close.

Yoda is better OVERALL than Windu but that doesn't mean he matches up better than Windu against sids either. You didn't even both to understand my boxing analogy did you? That is why you're struggling here. Chavez is a far greater All time boxer than Oscar is.. yet that didn't mean Oscar didn't give Pernell Whitaker a tougher and better fight. He brings stuff to the table that Chavez couldn't against whitaker.. speed.. size.. youth... etc etc. Yet, chavez is still rated higher by everybody all time. See how that works? Same thing here... Windu CAN leech power and stamina from Sids that Yoda can't do. Windu is physically stronger than Yoda with more leverage. Notice how Mace didn't even move when the lighting was fired at him.. yet yoda because he's small in stature and weight was blown back by lighting while sids remained in the Pod. That is an example of how style can make fights. It's not that Windu is more powerful than yoda or better per se (though I would submit he's likely just as good as Yoda in sabers) but he matches up well against Darksiders thanks to his form. That is his form.. we can't just throw that out the window because it amps him... That's how he fights. The fact that you can't grasp this concept tells me you haven't watched much boxing or mma

You poor poor thing if it's facts said from the author and producer it would hold the same way mixed in with what you already know so say you went somewhere and told somebody something about yoda vs sidious for example you would take the narration from Lucas combined with your experience so if you told Lucas that he would probably say yes that's correct so yes they do count and they do hold weight

OH MY OH MY OH MY you have just showed me that you are so freakin retarted ok you have conceded to accepting the dooku commentary now I'm not going to read the rest of that second paragraph after the any way shape or form because of that sentence is wrong then the rest is that duel explicitly translates you know for a fact that sidious wanted anakin to be his apprentice and Lucas says that that duel was the FIRST TEST FIRST MEANING MORE THAN ONE AMD THE SECOMD WAS HIS DEUL WITH SIDIOUS ok think about it he test anakin to see if he is worthy of being his apprentice seeing if he has the capacity to kill and now then he goes on and tells anakin about the plaguis story about how he could save padme and how you can't learn it from a Jedi ok now he's planted the seeds for anakin to become his apprentice then he explicitly tells anakin he is was the sith apprentice meaning that he knows how to save padme and then he turns around and ask anakin "are you going to kill me" anakin replies " I would very much like to" but he doesn't this shows that he wants to use palpatine to save padme or learn his abilities in order to save her and then palpatine says " I can feel your anger and turmoil" which means he can sense anakin said conflict and so anakin then tells windu and the others and sidious is ready now here is where separation is whether sidious knew he was coming from the get go or not however it doesn't matter as windu knew from a mile away so with that sidious,would to,as he is a greater force weirder and also if you tell so,some that you can save their wife and he leaves you alive that means he wants to use you that means he wants you alive and after he goes tell people and hey go and try to kill u you will go back to save that person and sidious is,smart he knows things he a politician for a freakin living he does stuff like this all the time example anakin vs dooku voila it all ties in together so he knows anakin will come and when he does he needs to look like he needs help as to officially turn because once you do a bad deed like anakin you don't go back as seen in ROTS so he needed him to do a deed such as that to prove his loyalty so all of this ties in with the battle with dooku of you try to refute this I will die laughing

Well I don't watch boxing as I am not a sport fan nor it just seems pointless so I just deal with the straight Star Wars and you deal with the facts so let look at the facts shall we have someone(yoda) who can beat windu with probable ease of he can do that against dooku who is basically either dead even or slightly superior to windu so how in the world do those things allow windu to win against so,done better than dooku and even with yoda where is the logic yes you are correct overall yoda is better so how in the world do u determine that windu stacks up better how,do you figure if you say that yoda is better how I don't get that if someone is better than the other than they win ok to put it in a way you would understand sidious=yoda>dooku>windu or sidious=yoda>dooku=windu either way sidious is better and then he couldn't beat him at all it was a stalemate and again the overpower part is the fact that sidious was disarmed that is a commonly used phrase now in the potter universe in harry potter Rowling says that Draco overpowered dumbledore yet dumbledore is exceedingly more powerful than Draco or an example more to your liking in HPDH part 1 Draco is " overpowered" by Harry yet Draco is more skilled and powerful than Harry you see that is a vague designation with many definitions so therefore with this one means nothing so STOP USING IT AS EVIDENCE for this argument and the thing with your analogy is they cannot move their physical abilities to near heights as yoda and sidious so that's a non valid point so I think it's now game over for you

Originally posted by StealthRanger
It is when a feat she and some schmucks peformed was calc'd at 26 tons of TNT

Not to the level of upper tier Sith and Jedi, someone like Mace Windu could prolly solo Hogwarts

First, sentences. Learn them. ****ing hell I can barely tell what you're saying most of the time

And again, Jedi have considerable durability, being able to survive being a few feet away from some pretty hefty explosions

Nice non sequiter, still waiting for him using vines or the AK or whatever

Point is, if you're going to insist Yoda can't do something because he didn't do it in every single situation, you cannot harp on about obscure ass spells that only happened once throughout the series and were performed by completely different characters

We call that in the business, a blatant double standard. You cannot have it both ways

It's simply CIS, Yoda's not a killer, being a Jedi and all that. However since we don't tend to factor CIS in debates that's pretty much null and void

Now from what I've seen of you, you look to be a fanboy, just a fair warning we don't take too kindly to your type here. So if you don't want to be yet another complete and total laughing stock (read: quanchi, Burning Thought, yungz) I suggest you take Dumbledore's erectile dysfunct penis out of your mouth and start debating properly

Also for the record, low end showings don't count as valid evidence here, though if you want to use them fine by me, but you don't get to harp on about obscure ass spells Dumbledore's never actually done himself and all kinds super high end feats in HP (though not that HP has anything that could be considered a "super feat" by fictional standards)

https://youtu.be/SDGyPRr9-AE

https://youtu.be/6Tbffj_04cI

Originally posted by StealthRanger
It is when a feat she and some schmucks peformed was calc'd at 26 tons of TNT

She is not a skilled force weirder so this point is null and void

Not to the level of upper tier Sith and Jedi, someone like Mace Windu could prolly solo Hogwarts

Actually yes they can dumbledore was able to transfigured and lift several statues to block Harry from voldemort in the book and yes a wizard can compete with a force weirder no matter how you want to try and deny it

First, sentences. Learn them. ****ing hell I can barely tell what you're saying most of the time

Then you are illiterate I reread it and basically I just added a commentary of my own in there your probabalbly older so you can understand if I can understand

And again, Jedi have considerable durability, being able to survive being a few feet away from some pretty hefty explosions
Yes but based on the movies the worst yoda has gone up against is the Lightning of sidious which is impressive that he didn't die like right there but we haven't seen anyone else either in the movies that he wanted dead so I guess that's a counter argument and falling from the hundreds of feat now I'm not saying that's not a good feat but it nothing when magic all it needs is one hit to win

Nice non sequiter, still waiting for him using vines or the AK or whatever

Point is, if you're going to insist Yoda can't do something because he didn't do it in every single situation, you cannot harp on about obscure ass spells that only happened once throughout the series and were performed by completely different characters

aren't these forums based on a person appearances in the movies and books so I'm going off of what I see and what I see is yoda just standing there more than once so can you blame me for going off the movies written by Luca himself so I mean really I never said yoda couldn't move I mean unless dumbledore already bound his legs I'm saying I doubt he would since he hasn't before I go off of the movie and what I see and the books and what I read and what do you mean obscure spells dumbledore used them effortlessly so what in the world make you believe he can't do that on a regular basis and the dud was teacher of transfiguration so he knows a lot of if not all the transfiguration spells and he has used obscure spells according to you all the time that is almost all that he uses like in the inferi cave that gigantic firestorm summoned it in seconds with inferi surrounding him so what makes you think he can't use these spells whenever what does it matter if used by different characters that means dumbledore would have no problem using it as everyone can use it

We call that in the business, a blatant double standard. You cannot have it both ways

It's simply CIS, Yoda's not a killer, being a Jedi and all that. However since we don't tend to factor CIS in debates that's pretty much null and void

Now from what I've seen of you, you look to be a fanboy, just a fair warning we don't take too kindly to your type here. So if you don't want to be yet another complete and total laughing stock (read: quanchi, Burning Thought, yungz) I suggest you take Dumbledore's erectile dysfunct penis out of your mouth and start debating properly

Also for the record, low end showings don't count as valid evidence here, though if you want to use them fine by me, but you don't get to harp on about obscure ass spells Dumbledore's never actually done himself and all kinds super high end feats in HP (though not that HP has anything that could be considered a "super feat" by fictional standards)

So being a fanboy is standing up for what you believe is right if that the case all of you are Star Wars fanboys so I am not a fanboy I just believe dumbledore wins and you have a problem with that and you also have a problem with the fact that I have evidence to why he wins and if you look on previous pages I'm not the only one who agrees that dumbledore wins and all people who say he can crush his heart isn't that a dark side ability which is why only Darty bader and mace windu and dooku people like dark spiders with exception of windu can use it yoda can't crush his heart or any organ in that manner and also how does normal behavior not count it's how they respond to different situations how can you change that it makes no sense I only go by the first post the guy who made this particular thread and he says nothing about how they fight so I take what i see from the movies and even if that weren't the case dumbledore would still win
Now of course it's my opinion but don't challenge me on it as I can see you are SLIPPING 😎

And actually to be precise the defenition of obscure is " not certain or known about" now considering the fact that mcgonagall and voldemort and plenty of other wizards know transfiguration those spells pare not obscure as they are well known the water spell has been used on large scales as well as small so also not an obscure ability dumbledore just used it in a combative way, firestorm used by voldemort also only in foendfyre form and also crabbe used in large firestorm way even though uncontrollable that doesn't matter till used by a student not known to be exceptionally skilled in deuling and the books also give dumbledore more spells to use so really not obscure spells a
Once again you are SLIPPING 😎😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So being a fanboy is standing up for what you believe is right if that the case all of you are Star Wars fanboys so I am not a fanboy

See, we call you a fanboy because you ignore evidence for Yoda and reiterate the same shit for Dumbledore and commit blatant double standards (some spell exists in HP so Dumbledore can use it because, potatoes, while Yoda doesn't do something himself/every single fight he ever appears so he can't use it here)

I just believe dumbledore wins and you have a problem with that and you also have a problem with the fact that I have evidence to why he wins and if you look on previous pages

It's fine to believe something, but when people debunk your arguments, you have to concede, else you get seen as a troll

I'm not the only one who agrees that dumbledore wins

People from <2012 ago, riiiiight

and all people who say he can crush his heart isn't that a dark side ability which is why only Darty bader and mace windu and dooku people like dark spiders with exception of windu can use it yoda can't crush his heart or any organ in that manner

It's simple telekinesis, if he's more powerful than Dooku who crushes and rips bolted durasteel machinery, why do you think force crushing someone with no notable durability feats to his name be any issue?

Pretty much all your posts would have go going "cheh, so?" given how unimpressive most stuff in HP is

and also how does normal behavior not count it's how they respond to different situations how can you change that it makes no sense I only go by the first post the guy who made this particular thread and he says nothing about how they fight so I take what i see from the movies and even if that weren't the case dumbledore would still win

CIS is off in vs debates, meaning we assume that characters here will use their best abilities, meaning Yoda can use whatever feats he's shown/can be powerscaled to

If we go with your methodology, Dumbledore can't use half the things you're saying he can because he's never done them himself, use your noggin, sonny boy

Actually I accept your concession on the basis you ignored most of my posts, when you have something of merit? Try again

Until then? Grit your teeth and bear the shit you don't like, and that includes Harry Potter being piss weak in the grand scheme of fiction

Now of course it's my opinion but don't challenge me on it as I can see you are SLIPPING 😎

I don't get it? Was..... this you trying to be witty?

And actually to be precise the defenition of obscure is " not certain or known about" now considering the fact that mcgonagall and voldemort and plenty of other wizards know transfiguration those spells pare not obscure as they are well known the water spell has been used on large scales as well as small so also not an obscure ability dumbledore just used it in a combative way, firestorm used by voldemort also only in foendfyre form and also crabbe used in large firestorm way even though uncontrollable that doesn't matter till used by a student not known to be exceptionally skilled in deuling and the books also give dumbledore more spells to use so really not obscure spells a
Once again you are SLIPPING &#128526;&#128514;

Okay so you can use feats and powers that have only happened a few times and they're acceptable

We have to abide to CIS but you don't

You can powerscale off other characters but we can't

Nice double standards

Originally posted by StealthRanger
See, we call you a fanboy because you ignore evidence for Yoda and reiterate the same shit for Dumbledore and commit blatant double standards (some spell exists in HP so Dumbledore can use it because, potatoes, while Yoda doesn't do something himself/every single fight he ever appears so he can't use it here)

We'll see you and others would be what most people call a hypocrite as you consistently say that yoda will speed blitz dumbledore and take his wand when I have countered both so aren't you a fanboy sense you say the same thing consistently and I say mine over and over because no one has countered it

It's fine to believe something, but when people debunk your arguments, you have to concede, else you get seen as a troll

You should take your own advice because I've debunked yours all the way while you have avoided mine. So aren't you a troll?

People from <2012 ago, riiiiight

It's simple telekinesis, if he's more powerful than Dooku who crushes and rips bolted durasteel machinery, why do you think force crushing someone with no notable durability feats to his name be any issue
It's still a dark side ability that's like saying it's simple since yoda can already use tutamintis he should be able to produce real lightning it's a dark side ability so he can't use it

Pretty much all your posts would have go going "cheh, so?" given how unimpressive most stuff in HP is

I know you don't care about my evidence and actually it's hard to say unimpressive when most of the stuff HP Star Wars can't do

CIS is off in vs debates, meaning we assume that characters here will use their best abilities, meaning Yoda can use whatever feats he's shown/can be powerscaled to

Did the person who made this say anything about no normal functions of the characters I have re read it over and over again and he says nothing about it but if we go with what you say dumbledore can use spells that pump him up to superhuman levels of the like of Darty vader and speed of yoda sounds ridiculous right but we have never seen him do it but there's probably a spell that does it but we have never seen it so

If we go with your methodology, Dumbledore can't use half the things you're saying he can because he's never done them himself, use your noggin, sonny boy
Actually he has did you not read the book and we see him at the end of the movie use a transfiguration on hundreds of shard of glass that turn them into sand so what makes you think he can't turn yoda into sand the first go around or use transfiguration spells that he used in the book

Actually I accept your concession on the basis you ignored most of my posts, when you have something of merit? Try again

Are you sure you want to play this game since you haven't answered any of my post so you may try agin I've pretty much crushed your speed blitzing and I've almost crushed the wand thing

Until then? Grit your teeth and bear the shit you don't like, and that includes Harry Potter being piss weak in the grand scheme of fiction

Actually Harry Potter as of now has superseeded Star Wars and is the number one movie franchise of all time making more money than Star Wars thus having more people see it more it has also gone world wide and has inspired so much so it's the king of fiction while Star Wars is a TYPE OF FICTION WHILE HARRY POTTER IS THE FICTION so sit back relax and take your loss or come up with something better since you can't counter mine at all while the I'm steadingly countering and crushing yours and if you saw the video of both &#128514; for first and now you have seen him use the " obscure spells" and remember half blood prince he used a firestorm

I don't get it? Was..... this you trying to be witty?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Okay so you can use feats and powers that have only happened a few times and they're acceptable

We have to abide to CIS but you don't

You can powerscale off other characters but we can't

Nice double standards

How am I ignoring it I'm using spells dumbledore has used in the books and in the movie I. Not powerscalling using spells from the book and movie and also Dumbledore was the transfiguration teacher for for up until 1955 1955 when he became headmaster and also he got exceeds expectations or outstanding on all his O.W.L.S. And his N.E.W.T.S. This means that as a child he was exceedingly skilled and as he got older he only got better so what wrong with belie paving he knows and will use every spell he can use I'm not saying yoda can't move on first move I'm just saying I don't believe he will as that's what Ive seen however I don't believe he will BELIEVE being the keyword and if we go with your system of work than dumbledore can just turn yoda into a snake and set him on fire since there are spells that hit the moment you finish the incantation and not even yoda can block or dodge such as expulso or spells you can't even see and dumbledore is way more versatile and wouldn't protego be able to block yodas force pushes and shoves since protego can block anything and dumbledore can use the environment to his advantages of tell me how yoda can counter that since dumbledore can also teleport and eventually distract yoda and kill him and yoda can't use force choke either

You have turned me, Dumblefore wins.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How am I ignoring it I'm using spells dumbledore has used in the books and in the movie.

Please post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Please post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Or how about the book since the book is the official cannon for Harry Potter and in the book it states that he along with grindlewald both used killing curses during there first and second duel and unlike Star Wars Harry Potter characters can use a spell whether it's good or dark and as seen in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Harry uses crucio although not a perfect crucio similar to plo koons imitation of sith lightning if Harry can at least use it even in a lesser form what do you think someone who has experience with this and is older can do i mean dumbledore can use any spell unlike yoda who can't use

Force lightning and all its variants
Force choke
Force crush
Any type of sith magic
Force Drain
Or any crush the hearts or organs of any being
Or any other dark side abilities

So the only thing left for combative ability are telekinesis which dumbledore can match with his own magnitude and versatility and telepathy which dumbledore can block out with his occlumency and dumbledore can do the same thing with telekinesis as yoda so you have officially been beatin try and counter that I dare you

This is the movie vs forum, book feats don't count...so again, post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is the movie vs forum, book feats don't count...so again, post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is the movie vs forum, book feats don't count...so again, post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Ok even if you don't believe du,bled ore can use the curses what stops him from turning yoda into sand hm

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is the movie vs forum, book feats don't count...so again, post video clips of Dumbledore using the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses in the movies.

Ok post a clip of when yoda used force crush on someone's organs

I never said that Yoda would crush his organs, you however have said multiple times that Dumbledore would use the Avada Kedavra and Cruciatus curses.

So, post the video clips of him doing so.