Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThe movie was meh, but Indy was his usual badass self, and in his old age would hand Mac his ass on a silver platter.
Steven Spielberg did, with the making of his last movie.......RJ does by having him fight McClane.
All we know is Indy would definitely PWN Riggs.
Yeah, it really is an insult to Indy to pit him against someone so inferior to him. What a waste of Indys time.
Yeah...The pussy ones, yeah.
McClane KILLS his enemies, not just knocking them out.
Truer FACT than yours.
Oh he was his usual bad ass self...?
Oh well then....why didncha say so...?
Your boy was defeated by his on weight, and maybe arthritis in the legs.
McClane can win against his own legs.
Indy can't.
McClane wins.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThis fight is to the KO. I made the thread, I make the rules.
Yeah...The pussy ones, yeah.McClane KILLS his enemies, not just knocking them out.
Truer FACT than yours.
Oh he was his usual bad ass self...?
Oh well then....why didncha say so...?
Your boy was defeated by his on weight, and maybe arthritis in the legs.McClane can win against his own legs.
Indy can't.
McClane wins.
Yeah, he was his usual badass self. He took on three soldiers half his age and pwned them in seconds. Thst in itself supercedes any h2h feat Mac ever showed. No? Prove me wrong.
Dunno what you are referring to with the legs statement.
Then since there is no evidence to suggest that McClane can be knocked out...
Indy is in a fight against a man never once knocked out in any shape or form, who will never stop punching, using the basics of boxing (proven to work against Indy even when used by an old fat german.) and who will luck out, and has age advantages, kill ratio advantages, and would have beaten all of Indy's opponents.
Given that McClane has been tested more than Indy, and dealt with far more than Indy would be able to dole out, McClane wins in emphatic, if eventual fashion.
Also, the Mac not caring about the rules- if we go by movie feats- pulls out a duct taped beretta and shoots Indy through the head with both bullets left in it.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNice try.
Then since there is no evidence to suggest that McClane can be knocked out...
Indy is in a fight against a man never once knocked out in any shape or form, who will never stop punching, using the basics of boxing (proven to work against Indy even when used by an old fat german.) and who will luck out, and has age advantages, kill ratio advantages, and would have beaten all of Indy's opponents.Doesnt matter if Mac has never been KO'd, all that matters is that Indy displays punching power that is far more than what Mac can muster.
Fat old German? Dude, he was HUGE, and obviously a trained boxer.
Age advantage? You do realize that this is Indy from all 4 movies, right?
Kill ratio means shit here.
Mac kicked ass in his environment, Indy in his. Indy could not have saved Nakatomi plaza, while Mac could not have beaten the nazis and tanks in TLC. What is important here is pugilism, who is better at it, who punches harder, who has a better fight record. Indy.
Given that McClane has been tested more than Indy, and dealt with far more than Indy would be able to dole out, McClane wins in emphatic, if eventual fashion.Mac has never been shown being near the h2h fighter that Indy is, movie feats prove this. All you are doing is talking circles because you want your boy to win.
Also, the Mac not caring about the rules- if we go by movie feats- pulls out a duct taped beretta and shoots Indy through the head with both bullets left in it.😆 No. No gun here.
Yes I realise that the Indy model that fights McClane is from all four movies and thats where your argument commits suicide.
All this h2h superiority you claim is load of old bollocks.
Indy has a good straight left and a right cross.
Thats all McClane would have to watch out for.
Mcclane has fifty extra years of fighting hindsight in his training, making it advantage: MacClane in the 'who'll be dishing out what'
department. Indy'll be having to deal with Jabs, (BIG problem for Indy, from what we see on Raiders) Hooks, Uppercuts, Crosses, Elbows, different strangles/chokes, police training locks etc
Indy: 3 movies where he is decent, but already feeling age come along, 1 where he is an aged buffoon who my nan could've laid out and he cant even stand properly unassisted sometimes.
McClane Bad motherf**ker in all four movies, killing small town's population on screen when he is done.
Kinda puts THAT in perspective...huh?
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthReally now? Got a scene where Indy needs assistance standing, or are you just spouting nonsense again?
Yes I realise that the Indy model that fights McClane is from all four movies and thats where your argument commits suicide.All this h2h superiority you claim is load of old bollocks.
Indy has a good straight left and a right cross.
Thats all McClane would have to watch out for.Mcclane has fifty extra years of fighting hindsight in his training, making it advantage: MacClane in the 'who'll be dishing out what'
department. Indy'll be having to deal with Jabs, (BIG problem for Indy, from what we see on Raiders) Hooks, Uppercuts, Crosses, Elbows, different strangles/chokes, police training locks etcIndy 3: movies where he is decent, but already feeling age come along, 1 where he is an aged buffoon who my nan could've laid out and he cant even stand properly unassisted sometimes.
McClane Bad motherf**ker in all four movies, killing small town's population on screen when he is done.
Kinda puts THAT in perspective...huh?
Indy is old in the last Indy movie, and he still displays badassery that Mac doesnt.
Indy was born July 1, 1899. Here are the movies and the years they are dated in:
Raiders: 1936, Indy is 37
Temple: 1935, Indy is 36
Crusade: 1938, Indy is 39
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: 1957, Indy is 58
So yeah, he is only an old man in the last one. Facts are fun, arent they?
The h2h claim isnt bollocks, its right there in the movies. H2H combat is H2H combat, regardless if it is 1938 or 1998. You saying Indy couldnt handle or dispense a choke hold? And please, list a scene in DH where Mac is shown training in all these moves you are talking about. Mac is a brawler, his style aint pretty, plain and simple. Indy throws harder punches, and is at least as tough as Mac.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now? Got a scene where Indy needs assistance standing, or are you just spouting nonsense again?Indy is old in the last Indy movie, and he still displays badassery that Mac doesnt.
Indy was born July 1, 1899. Here are the movies and the years they are dated in:
Raiders: 1936, Indy is 37
Temple: 1935, Indy is 36
Crusade: 1938, Indy is 39
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: 1957, Indy is 58So yeah, he is only an old man in the last one. Facts are fun, arent they?
The h2h claim isnt bollocks, its right there in the movies. H2H combat is H2H combat, regardless if it is 1938 or 1998. You saying Indy couldnt handle or dispense a choke hold? And please, list a scene in DH where Mac is shown training in all these moves you are talking about. Mac is a brawler, his style aint pretty, plain and simple. Indy throws harder punches, and is at least as tough as Mac.
Yeah but he can't beat McClane whos endurance feats are WAY beyond old man Jones.
All Jones can do is hit with basic punches that McClane deals with all the time.
And he would NOT be equipped for newer more modern techniques.
Wanna see the diffence between a 1930s heavy weight then compare their average to someone like Tyson Lewis all the way through to Joe Calzaghe... Ali....
If you do that and you claim not to see what I mean, then I really think theres no need for the debate to continue, as all semblence of common sense would have been thrown out.
And by the time of Indy 4 (and 5 which has just been greenlit, sadly)
All John'd have to do is send in his wife or daughter to brutalise the frail old pensioner Jones.
Indy isn't exactly a fair fighter, he bites, he kicks, he uses his environment just as McClane does. Plus he throws a stronger punch than Mac.
Endurance? Dude, was trapped with the Ark, escaped, fought the guys at the plane, chased down the nazi convoy, was shot, was dragged under a truck, reclaimed the ark, escaped the nazi search on the freighter, swam out to the sub, held onto the sub as it crossed the ocean, KO's a guy and stole his uniform, then tracked the nazis down with an RPG through the desert. That pretty much buries any endurance feat Mac showed. And thats only Raiders.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah but he can't beat McClane whos endurance feats are WAY beyond old man Jones.All Jones can do is hit with basic punches that McClane deals with all the time.
And he would NOT be equipped for newer more modern techniques.
Wanna see the diffence between a 1930s heavy weight then compare their average to someone like Tyson Lewis all the way through to Joe Calzaghe... Ali....If you do that and you claim not to see what I mean, then I really think theres no need for the debate to continue, as all semblence of common sense would have been thrown out.
And by the time of Indy 4 (and 5 which has just been greenlit, sadly)
All John'd have to do is send in his wife or daughter to brutalise the frail old pensioner Jones.
*Indy shoots quicker with revolver from first film*
"You were saying?"
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here, a testimony to Indy's endurance and fighting prowess:Qy6hIJZS7oI&feature=related
Headlocks, cheap shots, whatever it takes to get the job done.
Dude, Indy is definitely the bigger badass than McClane. Anyone who argues that is just arguing the wrong stuff. McClane wouldn't bother doing any of the shit that Indy does. He is, in all actuality...,a lazy bastard. He just happens to always be in the wrong places at the right times. The only reason he succeeds is because he's a good guy with steel fists and stamina of a John Henry. Indy lives for that danger shit, Danger just kind of follows McClane around like an ear ache following a tooth problem.
Now, just the same can be said for Indy, the dude is super retarded smart and all that other good stuff but he goes looking for danger, dude. I'd take Indy in a war and everything else except for terrorist attacks and street fights. I know Indy grew up as a fighter and even during that era, pugilism was the common corse of problem solving. Granted, Indys' resume rivals that of Jesus Christ and that's why he is my man because Christ is his idol (even if he doesn't know it) but McClane grew up on the streets of hard knocks...,New York. This is quite possibly the grudge match of the century. Appollo Vs Rocky but i think McClane has the edge because after a certain point, the dude just says fuk it and goes crazy, not caring what happens. Thats why McClane will be the one standing above Indy at the end of this match, either that or they just both decide to stop mashin the shit out of each other and get a hotel room so they can crunch their toes in the carpet together.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Dude, Indy is definitely the bigger badass than McClane. Anyone who argues that is just arguing the wrong stuff. McClane wouldn't bother doing any of the shit that Indy does. He is, in all actuality...,a lazy bastard. He just happens to always be in the wrong places at the right times. The only reason he succeeds is because he's a good guy with steel fists and stamina of a John Henry. Indy lives for that danger shit, Danger just kind of follows McClane around like an ear ache following a tooth problem.Now, just the same can be said for Indy, the dude is super retarded smart and all that other good stuff but he goes looking for danger, dude. I'd take Indy in a war and everything else except for terrorist attacks and street fights. I know Indy grew up as a fighter and even during that era, pugilism was the common corse of problem solving. Granted, Indys' resume rivals that of Jesus Christ and that's why he is my man because Christ is his idol (even if he doesn't know it) but McClane grew up on the streets of hard knocks...,New York. This is quite possibly the grudge match of the century. Appollo Vs Rocky but i think McClane has the edge because after a certain point, the dude just says fuk it and goes crazy, not caring what happens. Thats why McClane will be the one standing above Indy at the end of this match, either that or they just both decide to stop mashin the shit out of each other and get a hotel room so they can crunch their toes in the carpet together.
I agree with all you said except for the last part.
Terrorist attack? I'll take Mac.
Taking on an armored column? Gimmee Indy.
They have their individual strengths/weaknesses, they are the best at what they do while in their element. Put Indy in Nakatomi plaza and he gets pwned. Put Mac in the race for the Ark against the Nazis and he gets pwned.
But in the end, I see Indy as a better fighter, tougher, more endurance, and a better improviser than Mac. Indy literally is the master of "Making shit up as he goes." You think he knew what he was doing when he boarded the Nazi sub? Nope. He got there and was like "Oh shit WTF OK now I do this." Plus you gotta remember that Indy accomplished all his missions without the advanced weaponry Mac had.
Know what would have been cool? The scene from Raiders, in Marion's bar, the shootout. Imagine if there were like 30 Nazis there, and Indy and Mac were teaming up to fight them together haermm
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indy isn't exactly a fair fighter, he bites, he kicks, he uses his environment just as McClane does. Plus he throws a stronger punch than Mac.Endurance? Dude, was trapped with the Ark, escaped, fought the guys at the plane, chased down the nazi convoy, was shot, was dragged under a truck, reclaimed the ark, escaped the nazi search on the freighter, swam out to the sub, held onto the sub as it crossed the ocean, KO's a guy and stole his uniform, then tracked the nazis down with an RPG through the desert. That pretty much buries any endurance feat Mac showed. And thats only Raiders.
Unproven. We see him punch out glass jawed Nazi conscripts and a multitudes of people who are fine preventing starved kids from escaping a mine, but clearly that doent work on FIGHTERS.
Look what happened against the Plane Mechanic/boxer.
If he was as hard as you say, he would have been able to do much more against that guy, without getting his ass kicked so badly primarily BY A JAB if he could take shots heavyweight or no.
And why wasnt he slipping the jab, and countering the bigger slower guy, if he were that good...?
The big fat dude in Temple Doom, owned Indy until Indy got lucky enough that the guy accedentally died in the rollers, which was clearly a good thing, cause Indy was in the shit there too.
Suffice to Say, that McClane would never have been owned by that little old looking dude out that windscreen in Raiders.
It was great drama no doubt. But if McClane was at any point owned by Ninja Chick, one of the many Indy equivalents was getting douched so bad by that singlar scrawney troop.
But like you say, RJ feats from all four....
So Indy is a frail pensioner.
That would be like saying "Well I could send in McClane to efficiently destroy that German force, but I'll send in someone the age of Sean Connery in TLC instead, to sort 'em out.
Any past endurance feats are partly negotiated by the fact that Indy cant take SHIT now.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Any past endurance feats are partly negotiated by the fact that Indy cant take SHIT now.
I'd like to point out(the obvious) that on the other end, McClane is like a fine wine, he gets better with age.
One example: When he jumped out of the speeding cruiser right before it went masterfully flying into the copter, he took a vicious beating, even the kid looked in awe and said "are you alright, do you need a hospital?", yet McClane walked if off stoically, because he doesn't let pain bother him when theres still work to be done.
Indy was born July 1, 1899. Here are the movies and the years they are dated in:
Raiders: 1936, Indy is 37
Temple: 1935, Indy is 36
Crusade: 1938, Indy is 39
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: 1957, Indy is 58
John McClane was born May 23, 1955
DH1 takes place in 1987, Mac is 32
DH2 takes place in 1990, Mac is 35
DH3 takes place in 1995, Mac is 40
DH4 takes place in 2007, Mac is 52
They are roughly the same age. Indy's average age is 42-43, Mac's is the same. So please, no more talk of Indy being a decrepit old fart.