Franks with GL ring vs Thing
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Punisher has had a years prep in using the ring he fights the Thing in the black forest in Germany.
Originally posted by Soljer
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
C'mon man, whats up?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok could somebody explains whats wrong with my thread? 😕
Originally posted by AQUA-MARINER
ibeileve this is one of those spite treads that ppl do on accident....
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok he gets a years prep?????? I dont read DC, I thought those Glers were bad ass?I have changed my prep, to a years in the first post.
Originally posted by Badabing
eek2 🤪 eer 😑 🤨 shockingThing loses, BADLY!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're interpreting people wrong.
I just felt like using that smiley in lieu of an actual response.The GL ring can do anything that the user can imagine and will. One could argue that the Punisher may not have sufficient imagination or willpower, but frankly I don't think it would require that much to take out poor Benji.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I thought people were gonna say Franks loses badly. 😕 Well if it was a month who would win?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well obvoulsy if you dont say anything, im going to misinterpret you.Ok frank gets one years prep and faces.....Gladiator!!!!
Originally posted by Badabing
Frank has a strong will. He has to in order to endure physical pain. I'm not sure how much imagination Frank has but I believe he could think of a large, powerful weapon that could take out Ben within a month. This is purely speculation on my part since I don't have much of a reference.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well ok one years prep vs gladiator then?
Originally posted by Tassadar
Thing loses. In a horrible curbstomping. Not sure about Gladiator.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Punisher could easily do whatver he want to thing
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
the thread is no longer Frank vs Thing. its Frank vs Gladiator. Frank gets one years prep with GL ring.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Frank takes him. All Frank has to do is raise a SHIELD in time for Glads to hit him, then taunt Glads. Suddenly Glads, seeing he didn't even make a scratch, loses all his confidence.Frank is a pro at targeting his enemies' weak points, and Gladiator has a huge weak point.
Frank takes both of these fights.
Note: Notice how xmarksthespot and Soljer agree that Frank can use the ring to beat Thing in 1 year but now all of a sudden want to argue that he cant use the ring effectively. Obvoulsy Soljer is going to say "Oh well I didnt say anything dont put words in my mouth", when its obvious that he like the rest of the others agree that Frank can use the ring in 1 year.
I might respond to posts later but im just sick of the double standards. Hell I should have posted that thread and watch you guys argue you how he cant beat Thing.
it goes deeper than that though... why is he the punisher? what drove him to be that guy? hal lost his father, but he still became a pilot, kyle lost his girlfriends, but he didnt let it stop him being who he was, guy gardner, john stewart, kilowog lost his entire planet, alot of gl's have experienced loss, but they didnt let it take over their lives...
in comparison here, not only does Frank have a direct motivation to do it (pretty sure, Bats would let go of his memory if hal told him he'd get his family back) but he has HUNDRED YEARS to prepare for it.
as to why he's Punisher:
well here is the thing, bats is vengeance and rage for losing his family. he's gotten obsessed and hence wants to purge all that evil away
Frank is PUNISHMENT. he saw a system that failed him horribly and decided that there is only one thing he could do: punish those who took advantage of the system. he says that repeatedly that he is what any normal man with a spine would do, any husband, any father. that's what he said to spiderman to shut him up: you guys have webs, and super healing. you guys can fly, can lift tons and dodge bullets. but what can the average person do? when it comes down to it, i'm about the only thing an average person can become when tragedy hits.
~Sado
Originally posted by Raoul
which just illustrates how little you know of gl, then... 😬
Still doesnt matter I dont seem to be doing that bad especially when most people think that Frank Castle can use the ring in 1 year to beat Thing. 131
Furthermore I stated at the beginning of this thread that Frank gets his own personal battery recharger, so if he uses the ring for personal gain he wont get any messages from Oa because its not hardwired to the central battery.
Originally posted by Raoul
no it can't...
Because you said so, brilliant.
Originally posted by Raoul
kyle doesnt let his pain define who he is...
Yeah so? You keep making this statement that if somebody allows pain to define who they are they cant use the ring. You showed Batman having some trouble with the ring for the first time and actually managed to get it under control, notice how the bats disappeared? Hell the image of his parents disappeared, why did it disappear since Batman said "I dont want to", im assuming thats because he didnt want to project the image anymore.
Originally posted by Raoulbeing evil is not equal to having fear. ALL green lantern's have to overcome great fear, its pretty much a requirement of getting the ring... and sinestro isn't evil... he's a villain yes, but only because his views are misguided... he's like magneto in his own way...
Yes but you also stated that using the ring to instill fear in others will hinder his performance. Sinestro did this and it didnt stop him from using the GL ring.
Originally posted by RaoulCOAST CITY. [b]COAST. CITY.
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Irrelevant you know what im talking about. Stop shouting your a mod.
Originally posted by Raoul
up until about three issues ago, GL rings couldnt kill. at ALL. it was hardwired into them by the guardians. this lethal force thing is brand new.
How does that change my point? killing people instills fear, nobody had any trouble with the ring when they started doing it. Intilling fear in others doesnt hinder the performance of the ring...you see the response of one of the sinestro corps members?
Anyway its his own personal ring he can do what he wants. I stated at the beginning of the thread.
Originally posted by Raoul
and you have? i don't have to prove he can't, you have to prove he CAN. which you haven't done...
Er you keep making this unfounded statement that if somebody is defined by loss they cant use the ring. Batman used the ring he had trouble but he got it under control. Even if he cant get over his loss with enough willpower he can still use the ring. The point is that in the real world people get better over time, unless you can prove that this is not the case in the comic world we can assume that with enough willpower he can still use the ring.
Chuck water over somebody in the real world they get wet, its the same in the comic world unless evidence is given.
Originally posted by Raoul
Its not the same. Kyle has gone through bereavement, yes, but it didnt define him the way bruce or frank let their own pain define them...
So why cant he put it behind him for the purposes of this thread? Hell even if he cant you havent proven that he cant use it.
Originally posted by Raoul
there's nothing that says the ring can't be used for evil, if used with the skill of a master, which sinestro us...
Anyway doesnt matter because his ring isnt connected to the central battery its his own personal GL ring, stated at the beginning of the thread.
Originally posted by Raoul
because he's [b]HAL FRICKIN JORDAN. THE GREATEST GREEN LANTERN WHO EVER LIVED.
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Stop shouting and swearing your a mod. You missed the point. Hal is the greatest Gl that lived but he is still subject to limitations like other GLs but because he is better he is less limited. YOU said that fear hinders the ability to use the ring, if that were true then when Coast city got destroyed his power should have been reduced. Hal does have great feats when his power starts to run it but the fact he is the greatest GL doesnt mean that this reduces his potential.
Originally posted by Raoul
why would it be? the guardians said it can be used for that... but everyone using the rings now was still recruited the exact same way... they all had the ability to overcome great fear, they were all chosen by mogo... they were GL's before the change, and they'll be GL's if it changes back...
Anyway it doesnt matter because its his own personal ring. I stated this at the beginning of the thread.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneElaborate on how being able to beat a low cl100 not particularly versatile brick extrapolates to being able to beat all of DC Earth including a 5th dimensional imp. You currently remind me of those Bible-thumping creationist quote-miners.
Note: Notice how xmarksthespot and Soljer agree that Frank can use the ring to beat Thing in 1 year but now all of a sudden want to argue that he cant use the ring effectively. Obvoulsy Soljer is going to say "Oh well I didnt say anything dont put words in my mouth", when its obvious that he like the rest of the others agree that Frank can use the ring in 1 year.I might respond to posts later but im just sick of the double standards. Hell I should have posted that thread and watch you guys argue you how he cant beat Thing.
Do you think the effectiveness of a GL ring increases exponentially over time? In a linear direct correlation? Logarithmically?
And frick isn't a swear word... it's barely a word. You put **** in half your posts these days.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Batman with a GL ring would be able to beat Thing. That doesn't mean he'd be a good GL. Even with a century. It certainly doesn't mean being anywhere near as good as Hal or Kyle.
I already admitted it would be unlikley for him to be as good as Kyle I however think he could become a good GL. Hell you said he wouldnt be effective at using the ring, if he can beat Thing in 1 year obvoulsy he will be pawning herald in 100 years if thats not effective I dont know what is.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Thing = DCU? 100 Things = DCU?
Were the hell did I say that stop putting word into my mouth for godsake. So he can beat Thing that means he can pawn DC earth? All we are discussing here is how good he'll be. Furthermore I havnet even decided wether Frank beats DC earth the whole bloody point of this thread was a bit of fun you decided to intepret it as Frank pawns DC earth because he cant beat Thing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you realize that there's no chance in hell that he'd be as good as Hal or Kyle, or even Guy or John, or Kilowog or Salaak, (because he wouldn't)
Dont know who the others are but as far as im concerned I think he would be one of the best. Hes displayed more willpower than alot of heroes and aliens included so im gonna assume that hes got one of the strongest wills in the universe.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
then what on Earth makes you think that adding some robots that Zatanna can turn into butterflies (not matter manipulation, magic) can manage to take out the entirety of DC Earth, which would include the likes of some of the above? As well as a fifth dimensional imp, several pantheons of Skyfathers, people who can easily stop him dead in his tracks like Johnny Sorrow, Saint of Killers, Jesse Custer (technically Vertigo but they still interact with main DC on occasion)?
Dont IMPS live in the fith dimension and not on DC earth?
Dont the Gods live in another dimension and not on earth.
Hell last time I checked Sain of Killers wasnt on earth either he was in heaven.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Elaborate on how being able to beat a low cl100 not particularly versatile brick extrapolates to being able to beat all of DC Earth including a 5th dimensional imp. You currently remind me of those Bible-thumping creationist quote-miners.
IT DOESNT AND I NEVER SAID IT DID!!!!!!!! I NEVER SAID THAT BEING ABLE TO BEAT THING MAKES HIM ABLE TO BEAT DC EARTH SO WHY ARE YOU MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION????
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you think the effectiveness of a GL ring increases exponentially over time? In a linear direct correlation? Logarithmically?
Prove that it doesnt.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And frick isn't a swear word... it's barely a word. You put **** in half your posts these days.
That is.
Originally posted by Raoul
holy sweet motherf*cking christ.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBased on what? Even Kyle Rayner or Hal Jordan would at best stalemate Surfer.
I already admitted it would be unlikley for him to be as good as Kyle I however think he could become a good GL. Hell you said he wouldnt be effective at using the ring, if he can beat Thing in 1 year obvoulsy he will be pawning herald in 100 years if thats not effective I dont know what is.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneExaggeration for emphasis. Also trying to determine how you think time actually correlates to effectiveness from your above statement you're under the impression there's some exponential relationship.
Were the hell did I say that stop putting word into my mouth for godsake. So he can beat Thing that means he can pawn DC earth? All we are discussing here is how good he'll be. Furthermore I havnet even decided wether Frank beats DC earth the whole bloody point of this thread was a bit of fun you decided to intepret it as Frank pawns DC earth because he cant beat Thing.
Originally posted by Phantom ZonePray tell, which ones do you actually know at all. Also lulz at that last statement.
Dont know who the others are but as far as im concerned I think he would be one of the best. Hes displayed more willpower than alot of heroes and aliens included so im gonna assume that hes got one of the strongest wills in the universe.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThunderbolt.
Dont IMPS live in the fith dimension and not on DC earth?
Dont the Gods live in another dimension and not on earth.
Hell last time I checked Sain of Killers wasnt on earth either he was in heaven.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell based on foolish argument in favor of Punisher. Is this another case of you toning down your responses towards "he'll go very far, blahdeeblahblah"
IT DOESNT AND I NEVER SAID IT DID!!!!!!!! I NEVER SAID THAT BEING ABLE TO BEAT THING MAKES HIM ABLE TO BEAT DC EARTH SO WHY ARE YOU MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION????
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNegative proof. Logical fallacy.
Prove that it doesnt.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on what? Even Kyle Rayner or Hal Jordan would at best stalemate Surfer.
Well for starters SS is high herald anyway. I said herald so that can include low level and mid. Again people get better over time. You need to prove that he cant otherwise.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Exaggeration for emphasis. Also trying to determine how you think
Bullocks.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
time actually correlates to effectiveness from your above statement you're under the impression there's some exponential relationship.
People tend to get better the more they do something, you need to prove otherwise that it doesnt.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Pray tell, which ones do you actually know at all.
Hal, Kyle, John Stewart, Killowog, Guy Gardener.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Also lulz at that last statement.
The reason being is that eventhough some aliens have more powers than he has if they had the same powerset they would not have the willpower to take the damage he can. Also not all heroes aliens are willing to kill themselves so eagerly to destroy their enemy as Frank is.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Thunderbolt.
The Pantheons are still on DC Earth.
Ok which ones? For starters the new gods live on New Genesis thats not on earth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well based on foolish argument in favor of Punisher. Is this another case of you toning down your responses towards "he'll go very far, blahdeeblahblah"
That is nonsense. Thing cant even beat Flash or Superman how the hell does that equate to him beating DC earth?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Negative proof. Logical fallacy.
People tend to get better the more they do something, you need to prove otherwise that it doesnt.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneGeneralities aren't proof. Prove that this particular something - wielding a GL ring - increases in a linear rate or an exponential rate, the same for everyone. Prove that it increases and doesn't plateau. Prove that if it does plateau that the level of the plateau is the same for everyone. These are claims you're making, provide proof positive.
People tend to get better the more they do something, you need to prove otherwise that it doesnt.
It clearly doesn't increase the same for everyone. Kyle cf. generic Lanterns.
It clearly does plateau.
It clearly does plateau at different levels. Kyle/Hal cf. generic Lanterns.
Lack of value for one's life doesn't imply willpower. Unless you think suicide bombers are incredibly strong willed people, and not just stupid desperate gullible kids.
Also when I said "know" I should have written "know well" not "know of"