Re: Cgi and nick Gilliard not in The Original Trilogy
Originally posted by Man of ChristVader's wearing a mobile iron lung, Obi-Wan is 19 years out of shape, Luke is a Padawan with several weeks of training, Yoda is in the same boat as Obi-Wan except he's also dieing, and Palpatine doesn't even stand up too often.
this is to bring attention to the fact that due to Gl's special effects that we cannot assume that all the ligtsaber duelists from eps 4 5 and 6, are worse than the ones from ep 1 2 and 3 because the pt had the advantage of cgi and coreographers
So there's your in-universe explanation as to why the OT fights seem slower and less fancy than the PT.
Out of universe it was due to lack of camera and digital technology.
Who gives a shit? Its 20 years of hindsight, modern choreography, and technological growth. Couple that with a man who has billions to throw around, and you the superficially shallow fights of the PT, save for Anakin vs OB1.
The only thing not fair to compare, is the abilities of the actual characters. If they could make Alec's face of a 25 year old sword fighter's head, then that fight could have been a lot better too.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Who gives a shit? Its 20 years of hindsight, modern choreography, and technological growth. Couple that with a man who has billions to throw around, and you the superficially shallow fights of the PT, save for Anakin vs OB1.The only thing not fair to compare, is the abilities of the actual characters. If they could make Alec's face of a 25 year old sword fighter's head, then that fight could have been a lot better too.
What do you mean by the shallow fights of the PT?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
If you like the PT or think it's superior in any way outside of pure technological advancements to the OT, you're stupid.Rule #1 of the Star Wars forums.
Yeah becuase we all love the slow lightsaber fights and Mark's acting of the original trilogy.
If you don't like the Prequels you can shut up and not buy them on DVD.
Don't even get me started on how they spanked the Classic trilogy at the box office. Then you would say "Wahh everyone saw Episode I becuase they thought it would be so much better.." Yeah that's why II and III also did way well and we all saw it 3+ times at the theatre.
If you can't already tell I enjoy all 6 Star Wars films, as a true fan I follow Lucas' vision as being legit. Sure I may not agree on some things in some of the movies like everyone else but that is too bad.
It isn't like 4,5, and 6 are all perfect films. We all have our opinions but it all comes down to what the man in charge wants. That's what we get. Live with it.
Originally posted by sweersaRight, because Hayden, Natalie and even the mighty SLJ did perfect the entire time. "A sith LORD?" Laughable at best. Need I remind you, "Noooooooooo."
Yeah becuase we all love the slow lightsaber fights and Mark's acting of the original trilogy.
Originally posted by sweersaI could say the same for you and the OT.
If you don't like the Prequels you can shut up and not buy them on DVD.
Originally posted by sweersaWhoa, whoa, whoa... lets get some facts straight here. Of course it looks like they (The OT) got spanked, tickets were like $2 then. Look up inflation adjusted box office sales. THAT order is ANH, ESB, RoTJ, TPM, RoTS, and then way down at number 82 is AoTC. Matter of fact http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm look for your self.
Don't even get me started on how they spanked the Classic trilogy at the box office. Then you would say "Wahh everyone saw Episode I becuase they thought it would be so much better.." Yeah that's why II and III also did way well and we all saw it 3+ times at the theatre.
So it would seem as though the OT SPANKED and WTFPWNED the PT at the box office.
Originally posted by sweersaThen extend the same courtesy to those of us who prefer the OT.
If you can't already tell I enjoy all 6 Star Wars films, as a true fan I follow Lucas' vision as being legit. Sure I may not agree on some things in some of the movies like everyone else but that is too bad.
Originally posted by sweersaNot perfect, but close.
It isn't like 4,5, and 6 are all perfect films. We all have our opinions but it all comes down to what the man in charge wants. That's what we get. Live with it.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Right, because Hayden, Natalie and even the mighty SLJ did perfect the entire time. "A sith LORD?" Laughable at best. Need I remind you, "Noooooooooo."I could say the same for you and the OT.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... lets get some facts straight here. Of course it looks like they (The OT) got spanked, tickets were like $2 then. Look up inflation adjusted box office sales. THAT order is ANH, ESB, RoTJ, TPM, RoTS, and then way down at number 82 is AoTC. Matter of fact http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm look for your self.
So it would seem as though the OT SPANKED and WTFPWNED the PT at the box office.
Then extend the same courtesy to those of us who prefer the OT.
Not perfect, but close.
I never said the acting was great in the Prequels, I think other than Jake Llyod and Hayden at times, the acting wasn't bad. I think Samuel L. Mother****ing Jackson is one of the best actors in those films. Don't let bad actors ruin a movie, that's why I enjoy all 6 Star Wars films, its the plot, action, and the feeling. I didn't see Carrie and Mark do much after Star Wars anyways.
Like I said, I enjoy all 6 Star Wars films, I own all in a few types of media. DVD, VHS, and even have an HDTV rip of ROTS in 720p HD
I suppose I should have thought about inflation before I went on about the OT being pwned. As for the box office values I would say they are still pretty close even after adjusting for inflation. I tend to look at international sales rather than domestic. Keep in mind also that the original film's box office figures may have been added to the 1997 special edition releases also. The Prequels have never been re-released...yet. Expect that before 7,8 and 9. Hahaha.
it has the release years next to the title, and ANH is over 1 billion dollars and 2nd only to Gone With the Wind. Even Titanic is #6.
But tell you what, if you can gather data supporting global sales and whether or not the re-releases were included, then i will gladly concede my point. However, keep in mind the difference in marketing power, money and multiple more avenues that the PT had AFTER the OT made GL a billionaire. Furthermore, the PT was also geared more towards kids to bring in the younger audience.
Here's some more interesting info:
STAR WARS
Domestic Total Gross: $307,263,857
Domestic Lifetime Gross: $460,998,007
Distributor: Fox Release Date: May 25, 1977
Genre: Sci-Fi Fantasy Running Time: 2 hrs. 1 min.
MPAA Rating: PG Production Budget: $11 million
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $460,998,007 59.5%
+ Foreign: $314,400,000 40.5%
= Worldwide: $775,398,007
DOMESTIC SUMMARY
Release Dates: May 25, 1977 (limited)
July 15, 1977 (wide)
Opening Weekend:
(limited, 43 theaters) $1,554,475
($36,150 avg)
Opening Weekend: $6,806,951
(wide, 757 theaters, $8,992 average)
% of Total Gross: 2.2%
Widest Release: 1,750 theaters
NOTE: 43 theaters!!
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
it has the release years next to the title, and ANH is over 1 billion dollars and 2nd only to Gone With the Wind. Even Titanic is #6.But tell you what, if you can gather data supporting global sales and whether or not the re-releases were included, then i will gladly concede my point. However, keep in mind the difference in marketing power, money and multiple more avenues that the PT had AFTER the OT made GL a billionaire. Furthermore, the PT was also geared more towards kids to bring in the younger audience.
Here's some more interesting info:
[b]STAR WARS
Domestic Total Gross: $307,263,857
Domestic Lifetime Gross: $460,998,007
Distributor: Fox Release Date: May 25, 1977
Genre: Sci-Fi Fantasy Running Time: 2 hrs. 1 min.
MPAA Rating: PG Production Budget: $11 millionTOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $460,998,007 59.5%
+ Foreign: $314,400,000 40.5%
= Worldwide: $775,398,007DOMESTIC SUMMARY
Release Dates: May 25, 1977 (limited)
July 15, 1977 (wide)Opening Weekend:
(limited, 43 theaters) $1,554,475
($36,150 avg)Opening Weekend: $6,806,951
(wide, 757 theaters, $8,992 average)
% of Total Gross: 2.2%Widest Release: 1,750 theaters
NOTE: 43 theaters!! [/B]
That's interesting, but I think so many different things have to be considered for the adjusted for inflation figures, like then people really didn't have anything like Star Wars at the time. I wonder if there is a way to find out the number of tickets sold for a movie, that would seem like a better way to determine how popular it was at the release time.