Cgi and nick Gilliard not in The Original Trilogy

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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
That's what inflation does... it takes all the tickets and multiplies them by the same dollar amount, therefore basing it off of ticket sales.

Ohh, I understand I guess. Still, I don't see a need to bash the Prequels, all of the Star Wars films have problems more or less...but I believe they are all almost equally entertaining and awesome.

And to each their own. I'm a product of the OT, and while I prefer the OT to the PT, I can appreciate some of the things in the PT. However, I would have started Ep 1 where Ep 2 was. That way, we could see more of what Anakin could really do, instead of seeing a grown woman flirt with a 9 year old. And although i used to despise TPM< i know enjoy it more than AOTC, as I'm looking at Qui Gon like I now look at OB1 in ANH... masterful and wise.

But Lucas fell into the trap that almost all movie and music makers do these days; they feel that all they have to do is throw money into a project, make it look good with crazy SFX and expect that to be a crutch for shitty writing. I dont care who you are, you can not watch all 6 movies and honestly say that the PT has the same "feel" to it as the OT. Its more hokey and riddled with unnecessary one-liners and childish gags. Even C3PO wasn't as gay in the OT as he was in the PT, "This is such a drag. Oh I'm quite beside myself." COME ON!!! That's horrible. And don't even get me started on Binks.

Sure the OT has its failings too, but most of those occurred after Lucas decided to go back and throw money, I mean "fix" the trilogy. Cutting scenes, changing voices, adding new irrelevant sequences... terrible.

The PT (or anything that follows) will just simply not have the same effect of movie making, or society as a whole, as Star Wars did when it first came out in the 70's.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
And to each their own. I'm a product of the OT, and while I prefer the OT to the PT, I can appreciate some of the things in the PT. However, I would have started Ep 1 where Ep 2 was. That way, we could see more of what Anakin could really do, instead of seeing a grown woman flirt with a 9 year old. And although i used to despise TPM< i know enjoy it more than AOTC, as I'm looking at Qui Gon like I now look at OB1 in ANH... masterful and wise.

But Lucas fell into the trap that almost all movie and music makers do these days; they feel that all they have to do is throw money into a project, make it look good with crazy SFX and expect that to be a crutch for shitty writing. I dont care who you are, you can not watch all 6 movies and honestly say that the PT has the same "feel" to it as the OT. Its more hokey and riddled with unnecessary one-liners and childish gags. Even C3PO wasn't as gay in the OT as he was in the PT, "This is such a drag. Oh I'm quite beside myself." COME ON!!! That's horrible. And don't even get me started on Binks.

Sure the OT has its failings too, but most of those occurred after Lucas decided to go back and throw money, I mean "fix" the trilogy. Cutting scenes, changing voices, adding new irrelevant sequences... terrible.

The PT (or anything that follows) will just simply not have the same effect of movie making, or society as a whole, as Star Wars did when it first came out in the 70's.

I agree, to each his own. I think you are right about C3PO being more gay in the prequels becuase he was naked in Episode I. Hahaha.

If I could change anything in the Prequels, I would have made Anakin the same age as Padme. (would have been more realistic and less awkward) I would have toned down Jar-Jar, and the biggest thing I would have done was give Qui-Gon an Alec like Obi-wan role in episode II and III. Wouldn't it have REALLY made the Prequels amazing to have Qui-Gon as a force ghost? I thought Qui-Gon's character was amazing.

I just watch all of the films as they are really, while some things disappoint me I just try to forget it and move on. Overall if the movie is cool and moves me I fall in love with it.

i kinda like the PT coz the plot is more complex and it add a general "coolness"to the movies(from Republic clone troopers to imperial stormtroopers),unlike the OT which is more predictable.Oh,c'mon,the technological advancement for god's sake is really something.Their fashion sense kinda improve anyway.clone trooper armor>storm trooper armor.PT lightsaber duels>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OT lightsaber duels.the only part i din fancy in the PT is probably the AOTC love story part and that was it.In the OT,things seem to be very old anyway.

Personally, though I am a fan of all six films, I simply prefer the OT more. Empire Strikes Back is my favorite film of the six, followed by ANH and ROTS (not ROTJ).

Originally posted by sorokseem
PT lightsaber duels>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OT lightsaber duels.
This is a bit absurd. And the only reason that type of assertion can even be made is because of technological advancements in the way CGI, which is also the downfall of the PT. When you start relying on SPX, your story and writing severely suffer. In the OT you had an old arthritic man swinging a very breakable stick around with a clumsy British body builder in an uncomfortable suit that he couldn't really see out of. That same awkward body builder in the uncomfortable, tunnel-vision suit was in every duel in the OT and suffered the same throughout. Alec Guiness didn't have the luxury of have a CGI image of his face being put on a young stuntman's body in order to make his fights faster. Nor did he have CGI available to allow him to bounce all around the place like Ian did.

But alas, only one of the PT duels had half as much of an emotional connection that the OT duels did, and that was, as I've said, the Anakin/OB1 duel, which was in the best movie of the PT, even though it seemed extremely rushed.

So really, OT duels>>>>>PT duels if for nothing else, because of the fact that the actors had to do it themselves without millions of dollars backing them up. And if there was no OT, then there would undoubtedly be no PT. Show respect. I mean, right? I think it deserves it.

I agree the Original Trilogy duals should have been stepped up a bit...but both the PT and OT have pros and cons with the duals. Episode 4 had a slower battle for obvious reasons, Alec was pretty old, and the rods they used were heavy. The rods or sticks in ESB and ROTJ were not however, they were completely different from ANH. I am guessing the duals in the last two originals were not as heated as they should have been becuase they crew didn't have Nick with them.

A huge downfall in the PT duals is the lack of dialogue during the duals, as Darth Subject said...they are far too rushed, and I agree. I think a few breaks should have occurred in the awesome PT duals to get in some dialogue, and this occurred in the movies sometimes but it didn't seem to work as well as it did in the OT.

I would have to say moves and action wise, the PT duals are far superior, but that doesn't take away anything from the OT. Luke is a noob in most of the movies, and Vader may be a little out of practice and aging.

Here's the thing, the OT was a STORY, whereas the PT was visual fiesta to compensate for the lack of an actual story. If you recall, in the OT, Lucas didn't want music during the duels because he said the lightsabers made their own "music" with the obvious exception of the final duel on the Death Star. If you look at the PT, if I'm not mistaken, every duel has a gay Duel of the Fates playing or some other music. Why break from such a fail-safe strategy? They tried too hard to make the PT "epic" in size and stature, and they failed. Whenever you see the PT referenced in a show ot movie, the PT is clowned (rightfully so, IMO) for being a joke. Even in Robot Chicken Vader says something like, "And the force... why that's just microscopic organisms living in your blood." to which Luke replied, "Look, if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm out." and walked away, lol. Pretty funny, and true. That's the gayest thing he could have done to SW.

But the saber duels being "flashy" doesn't make them "better." A lot of the flashiness is unnecessary, and its noticeable. But more of the younger fans like the PT cause it came out in their time and was geared towards them. Which is fine. Just understand the reasons for the differences and don't just say that the PT pwns the OT cause its newer and flashier.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Here's the thing, the OT was a STORY, whereas the PT was visual fiesta to compensate for the lack of an actual story. If you recall, in the OT, Lucas didn't want music during the duels because he said the lightsabers made their own "music" with the obvious exception of the final duel on the Death Star. If you look at the PT, if I'm not mistaken, every duel has a gay Duel of the Fates playing or some other music. Why break from such a fail-safe strategy? They tried too hard to make the PT "epic" in size and stature, and they failed. Whenever you see the PT referenced in a show ot movie, the PT is clowned (rightfully so, IMO) for being a joke. Even in Robot Chicken Vader says something like, "And the force... why that's just microscopic organisms living in your blood." to which Luke replied, "Look, if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm out." and walked away, lol. Pretty funny, and true. That's the gayest thing he could have done to SW.

But the saber duels being "flashy" doesn't make them "better." A lot of the flashiness is unnecessary, and its noticeable. But more of the younger fans like the PT cause it came out in their time and was geared towards them. Which is fine. Just understand the reasons for the differences and don't just say that the PT pwns the OT cause its newer and flashier.

Dude, the Maul VS Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon dual with that music was just awesome, it isn't like Maul had anything to say anyways. You could still hear the lightsabers, and in the PT it wasn't the same five lightsaber sounds.

Same with Obi-Wan Vs Darth Vader...amazing, I don't remember in the threatre anybody complaining about any of the movies. I don't recall hearing much music in the lightsaber duals with Dooku at the end of ATOC, in my opinion, that is the only dual in the PT I wasn't fully satisfied with, but yoda was pretty sweet.

The orginal films are get knocked around in some funny shows like Blue Harvest of Family Guy, they are all Star Wars movies...same universe...same creator.

But they're not being disrespected. The only reason they're being "knocked around" is because both Seth McFarland and Seth Green are uber SW fans. That's why in the SW Robot Chicken, when they bring in an aspect of the PT, they trash it.

You're missing my point about the music during the duels. Lightsabers give off their own music, and the duels in the OT didn't need music to help peak interest or make it "deeper." Its a trick that the PT needs cause the emotion was lacking. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But they're not being disrespected. The only reason they're being "knocked around" is because both Seth McFarland and Seth Green are uber SW fans. That's why in the SW Robot Chicken, when they bring in an aspect of the PT, they trash it.

You're missing my point about the music during the du[b]els. Lightsabers give off their own music, and the duels in the OT didn't need music to help peak interest or make it "deeper." Its a trick that the PT needs cause the emotion was lacking. Plain and simple. [/B]

I don't know, the lightsaber battles don't seem like they needed to be emotional, it wasn't father vs son or anything like that.

Any fight is emotional. That's why we fight, because of emotion. Especially with swords as opposed to just shooting someone. You're still missing the point, or just dismissing it intentionally. But that's fine. I just think that most people would consider the PT a let down to the saga, especially when compared to the OT. But you prefer the PT, and I prefer the OT. I'm just tired of trying to defend the OT. I personally don't think it needs to be defended.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
[B]Any fight is emotional.

R2D2 versus the BuZz droid?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Any fight is emotional. That's why we fight, because of emotion. Especially with swords as opposed to just shooting someone. You're still missing the point, or just dismissing it intentionally. But that's fine. I just think that most people would consider the PT a let down to the saga, especially when compared to the OT. But you prefer the PT, and I prefer the OT. I'm just tired of trying to defend the OT. I personally don't think it needs to be defended.

I am not attacking the OT, just pointing out some pros and cons to both trilogies. They are different, while some of the things you prefer that occurred in the OT be applied to the PT.

The dual in TPM really didn't get very emotional until Qui-gon was wasted. For the Jedi a lightsaber is a better weapon than any blaster unless they are in rare situations or without a lightsaber. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's mission was to protect the queen and if possible gain information on the Sith Lord. They ran into Maul and obviously had to keep him from the Queen so they battled him as he was a huge threat. Maul wanted the Jedi dead obviously. I don't see much emotion in that except anger.

Originally posted by Sesse
R2D2 versus the BuZz droid?

I was obviously referring to the lightsaber duels. However, now that you mention it, that was one of the worst parts of that movie.

Originally posted by sweersa
I am not attacking the OT, just pointing out some pros and cons to both trilogies. They are different, while some of the things you prefer that occurred in the OT be applied to the PT.

The dual in TPM really didn't get very emotional until Qui-gon was wasted. For the Jedi a lightsaber is a better weapon than any blaster unless they are in rare situations or without a lightsaber. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's mission was to protect the queen and if possible gain information on the Sith Lord. They ran into Maul and obviously had to keep him from the Queen so they battled him as he was a huge threat. Maul wanted the Jedi dead obviously. I don't see much emotion in that except anger.

*sigh* I wasn't referring only to you, but in general to the younger fans that think the OT sucked just because it's not filled with pointless CGI.

You're looking at the duEl in TPM completely wrong. That was the first time the Sith have shown up in what, 1000 years? That's extremely pivotal. They could have put more emphasis on it and one way of doing that, is by not throwing DotF in our faces, distracting us from the duEl with music rather than focusing more on all the acrobatics that they felt necessary. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Just out of pure curiosity, how old are you?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I was obviously referring to the lightsaber duels. However, now that you mention it, that was one of the worst parts of that movie.

*sigh* I wasn't referring only to you, but in general to the younger fans that think the OT sucked just because it's not filled with pointless CGI.

You're looking at the du[b]El in TPM completely wrong. That was the first time the Sith have shown up in what, 1000 years? That's extremely pivotal. They could have put more emphasis on it and one way of doing that, is by not throwing DotF in our faces, distracting us from the duEl with music rather than focusing more on all the acrobatics that they felt necessary. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Just out of pure curiosity, how old are you? [/B]

John Williams' brilliant score only adds to that amazing dual. If you think dialogue would be interesting between Maul and the Jedi, please tell me why would Darth Maul even bother to talk when he just wants to kill them? Maul isn't a man to use words anyways as he said little in the movie. He is not a talker. The plot didn't need any dialogue. Think about that dual without that score...it would only be plain. Sound is half the picture right? Music is one of the huge aspects Star Wars is about. You can still hear the lightsaber sounds. More is more. I don't think anyone really sees that music as distracting...

You are obviously an old fashioned fan. I am 17 (I guess becuase I am young everything I say doesn't matter right?) and love all six films, sure I have a few opinions and a few thing could have been better but I don't care. I think just about every aspect of every dual in all six films works out really well. Star Wars are also kid's films, just becuase you are older doesn't mean everything has to be taken seriously...the few cute scenes in the PT are for either children's amusement or for a brief moment of comic relief. The OT also has that. (Ewoks anyone?)

You really should have attended a premier for one of the PT movies. (I am assuming you havn't.) It is full of so much energy with a lot of fan boys (a few girls also) dressed up as characters. Families, fathers with their kids...everyone is pumped before the film and even more so afterwards.

I will never forget the ROTS premiere. The Theatre was packed and the movie at many times brought out cheers, applause (especially at the end) laughter and maybe even some tears.) That is a night (or early morning) I will never forget.

I realize you likely grew up with the OT, and so that is always what Star Wars was, I am sure you like many other fans had an idea of what the PT was going to be like, you and others may have been upset, but there is no doubt in my mind that everybody had a great time at the ROTS premier and even at the other PT shows I went to.

If you feel George Lucas raped your childhood, move on, becuase a lot of people love all 6 Star Wars films as I do. It would be impossible for Mr. Lucas to meet everyone's expectations and ideas of the PT after the success of the OT and I sure wouldn't want him to try, what he does it up to him and I believe he has delivered his movies in his vision and I am happy with it.

Originally posted by sweersa
John Williams' brilliant score only adds to that amazing dual. If you think dialogue would be interesting between Maul and the Jedi, please tell me why would Darth Maul even bother to talk when he just wants to kill them? Maul isn't a man to use words anyways as he said little in the movie. He is not a talker. The plot didn't need any dialogue. Think about that dual without that score...it would only be plain. Sound is half the picture right? Music is one of the huge aspects Star Wars is about. You can still hear the lightsaber sounds. More is more. I don't think anyone really sees that music as distracting...
Well considering that I never even hinted about Maul talking, your point is rather moot. I didn't say anything about dialogue, but the emphasis should have been more focused on the severity of an emerging Sith rather than what JW can concoct. Whom, by the way, I think is a musical genius and really appreciate all he's done for the saga. So the OT duels were "boring" because there was no music? I think the LEGIONS of fans and box office totals would disagree with you.

Originally posted by sweersa
You are obviously an old fashioned fan. I am 17 (I guess becuase I am young everything I say doesn't matter right?)
I said out of pure curiosity and never insinuated as much that your "young" opinion didn't matter. So don't put words in my mouth, please. And also, I'm only 28; not that old fashioned. Cut me some slack, lol.

Originally posted by sweersa
and love all six films, sure I have a few opinions and a few thing could have been better but I don't care. I think just about every aspect of every dual in all six films works out really well. Star Wars are also kid's films, just becuase you are older doesn't mean everything has to be taken seriously...the few cute scenes in the PT are for either children's amusement or for a brief moment of comic relief. The OT also has that. (Ewoks anyone?)
A few? Save for a ROTS, the PT was riddled with "cute moments." And I don't think there is any fan who would prefer Jar Jar over the Ewoks. At least they served a notable purpose. Binks handed the galaxy over to Palpatine on a silver platter. Ewoks looked cute, but they tore shit up.

Originally posted by sweersa
You really should have attended a premier for one of the PT movies. (I am assuming you havn't.) It is full of so much energy with a lot of fan boys (a few girls also) dressed up as characters. Families, fathers with their kids...everyone is pumped before the film and even more so afterwards.
Premier as in opening night, or as in the Hollywood type premier where the stars come out to watch? If you mean opening night, i was at every single one. I saw each movie at least 3 times in the theater (the PT that is) and like the movies. I just don't think they compare to the Orignals. I took my lightsabers there and was having all kinds of fun. But once the initial shock of having a SW film in the theater after 20 years wore off, i saw the PT more for what it is, and more importantly, for what it isn't

Originally posted by sweersa
I will never forget the ROTS premiere. The Theatre was packed and the movie at many times brought out cheers, applause (especially at the end) laughter and maybe even some tears.) That is a night (or early morning) I will never forget.
And i remember at my midnight showing, all the "older" people basically booing R2 pwning two SBD's and booing at the last words of Vader. I mean come on, how late was that? Honestly? Other than that, i loved it for the most part. Its my 3rd of the saga.

Originally posted by sweersa
I realize you likely grew up with the OT, and so that is always what Star Wars was, I am sure you like many other fans had an idea of what the PT was going to be like, you and others may have been upset, but there is no doubt in my mind that everybody had a great time at the ROTS premier and even at the other PT shows I went to.
Of course we (and i'm LOOSELY speaking for OT fans as a whole... more so just myself) liked the PT for being SW, but as a kid i imagined the Clone Wars and all the lightsabers glowing and humming and all that, and to be honest, my adolescent vision dwarfed what Lucas brought to the table. Its more kiddie than what it should have been and more kiddie than the OT, which had more character driven plots and sub plots and more... "substance."

Originally posted by sweersa
If you feel George Lucas raped your childhood, move on, becuase a lot of people love all 6 Star Wars films as I do. It would be impossible for Mr. Lucas to meet everyone's expectations and ideas of the PT after the success of the OT and I sure wouldn't want him to try, what he does it up to him and I believe he has delivered his movies in his vision and I am happy with it.
Ok then, if i'm to "move on" then we should just close this thread and you should keep your opinions of the OT to yourself, cause you're coming off hypocritical. For the umpteenth time, I like all the films and PREFER THE OT. IT'S BETTER MADE AND NOT AS HOKEY AND NOT OVERCOMPENSATED WITH HOARDS OF CGI SHOTS THAT I FIND LAME.

Moving on....

Well... I personally must say that it's rather difficult to compare both trilogies- that being said, however, both have their pros and cons, and there are certain, very similar parts about them. For example:

Each trilogy has one rather weak episode filled with kiddy humor. RotJ and TPM, in this case.

Each trilogy has more of a fun, lightweight episode. ANH/AotC seems like the correct comparison.

Each trilogy has a dark, complex episode generally considered to be the best of it. ESB/RotS, obviously.

However, they were done in very different manners, which accounts to why the the OT is so much more popular than the PT. The OT is done with very simple, black-and white morality focusing on a relatively straightforward story. That's not 'bad', it was certainly Lucas' intention, but it also makes the film feel easier to enjoy and to connect to. However, the PT, despite often being bashed for being too 'kid friendly', and filled with 'cute moments', has an ultimately darker, more complex storyline that climaxes in RotS; the morality is no longer black-and-white, the villains often more misguided idealists than just 'evil' people... and, of course, politics. It depends what you prefer, really, but both trilogies have their ups and downs.

I gotta say, though, RotS is my favorite Star Wars movie; maybe it's because I'm just a teenager and therefore do not have the OT nostalgia factor. However, ESB and ANH are both next in my list. AotC is very good, too... I dunno, It's pretty close to ANH, IMO. Oh, and then there's TPM and RotJ. And, believe it or not, I'd rather have Jar-Jar then Ewoks.

As for the pure saber duels? I'd guess the PT has superior ones. I mean, the duel between Yoda and Dooku, say, is unbelievable; the later duels, such as Obi vs. Ani and Sidious vs. Yoda are high-staked, with the former being the most emotional Star Wars duel, filled with badass music. I don't remeber ever watching quite a thrilling sword duel in my entire life.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well considering that I never even hinted about Maul talking, your point is rather moot. I didn't say anything about dialogue, but the emphasis should have been more focused on the severity of an emerging Sith rather than what JW can concoct. Whom, by the way, I think is a musical genius and really appreciate all he's done for the saga. So the OT duels were "boring" because there was no music? I think the LEGIONS of fans and box office totals would disagree with you.

I said out of pure curiosity and never insinuated as much that your "young" opinion didn't matter. So don't put words in my mouth, please. And also, I'm only 28; not that old fashioned. Cut me some slack, lol.

A few? Save for a ROTS, the PT was riddled with "cute moments." And I don't think there is any fan who would prefer Jar Jar over the Ewoks. At least they served a notable purpose. Binks handed the galaxy over to Palpatine on a silver platter. Ewoks looked cute, but they tore shit up.

Premier as in opening night, or as in the Hollywood type premier where the stars come out to watch? If you mean opening night, i was at every single one. I saw each movie at least 3 times in the theater (the PT that is) and like the movies. I just don't think they compare to the Orignals. I took my lightsabers there and was having all kinds of fun. But once the initial shock of having a SW film in the theater after 20 years wore off, i saw the PT more for what it is, and more importantly, for what it isn't

And i remember at my midnight showing, all the "older" people basically booing R2 pwning two SBD's and booing at the last words of Vader. I mean come on, how late was that? Honestly? Other than that, i loved it for the most part. Its my 3rd of the saga.

Of course we (and i'm LOOSELY speaking for OT fans as a whole... more so just myself) liked the PT for being SW, but as a kid i imagined the Clone Wars and all the lightsabers glowing and humming and all that, and to be honest, my adolescent vision dwarfed what Lucas brought to the table. Its more kiddie than what it should have been and more kiddie than the OT, which had more character driven plots and sub plots and more... "substance."

Ok then, if i'm to "move on" then we should just close this thread and you should keep your opinions of the OT to yourself, cause you're coming off hypocritical. For the umpteenth time, I like all the films and PREFER THE OT. IT'S BETTER MADE AND NOT AS HOKEY AND NOT OVERCOMPENSATED WITH HOARDS OF CGI SHOTS THAT I FIND LAME.

Moving on....

Okay...to each his own I guess.

I am not trying to make the OT look bad in anyway, as I have stated before, I enjoy all 6 films about equally, I don't feel any Trilogy is better than the other. That's why I have to defend the Prequel by giving examples of what some consider "imperfections" in the OT.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well... I personally must say that it's rather difficult to compare both trilogies- that being said, however, both have their pros and cons, and there are certain, very similar parts about them. For example:

Each trilogy has one rather weak episode filled with kiddy humor. RotJ and TPM, in this case.

Each trilogy has more of a fun, lightweight episode. ANH/AotC seems like the correct comparison.

Each trilogy has a dark, complex episode generally considered to be the best of it. ESB/RotS, obviously.

However, they were done in very different manners, which accounts to why the the OT is so much more popular than the PT. The OT is done with very simple, black-and white morality focusing on a relatively straightforward story. That's not 'bad', it was certainly Lucas' intention, but it also makes the film feel easier to enjoy and to connect to. However, the PT, despite often being bashed for being too 'kid friendly', and filled with 'cute moments', has an ultimately darker, more complex storyline that climaxes in RotS; the morality is no longer black-and-white, the villains often more misguided idealists than just 'evil' people... and, of course, politics. It depends what you prefer, really, but both trilogies have their ups and downs.

I gotta say, though, RotS is my favorite Star Wars movie; maybe it's because I'm just a teenager and therefore do not have the OT nostalgia factor. However, ESB and ANH are both next in my list. AotC is very good, too... I dunno, It's pretty close to ANH, IMO. Oh, and then there's TPM and RotJ. And, believe it or not, I'd rather have Jar-Jar then Ewoks.

As for the pure saber duels? I'd guess the PT has superior ones. I mean, the duel between Yoda and Dooku, say, is unbelievable; the later duels, such as Obi vs. Ani and Sidious vs. Yoda are high-staked, with the former being the most emotional Star Wars duel, filled with badass music. I don't remeber ever watching quite a thrilling sword duel in my entire life.

Well said, I am glad someone shares my views on Star Wars.

Originally posted by sweersa
Okay...to each his own I guess.
That's what I've said.

Originally posted by sweersa
I am not trying to make the OT look bad in anyway, as I have stated before, I enjoy all 6 films about equally, I don't feel any Trilogy is better than the other. That's why I have to defend the Prequel by giving examples of what some consider "imperfections" in the OT.
Ok, but to defend one, you don't have to bash the other. Once someone starts in on the OT, of course I'm gonna start in on the PT. But just because CGI was added to the PT duels, that doesn't make them "better," it makes them different. Flashy, nonsensical moves doesn't equate to a better fight sequence.

Originally posted by sweersa
Well said, I am glad someone shares my views on Star Wars.
So whoa, wait a minute... you two think that the PT is more complex and deeper? And has a better stroyline? Oh my blue harvest heaven. That's just a little more in depth than i want to go right now, but that's crazy. Adding mild politics to a movie doesn't make it more complex or deep. They were mentioning that in ANH. And it wasn't about the politics necessarily, it was about Palps making moves throughout the system that lead to him ruling the galaxy.

OT was iconic. So much so that the people who made Wanted stole the plot twist of ESB. Possibly the biggest and unforeseen plot twist in cinematic history. The PT killed the force by trying to put a scientific spin on it. I don't recall OB1 or Yoda mentioning midichlorians to Luke in either of their explanations of the force. The force was meant to be mystic and not fully understood. They just needed a way to show that Anakin was more powerful than Yoda. But hey... to each their own, right?