Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

Originally posted by LordKaos

Weird because when endsong came out it was the Shi'ar who caused the shattering,
as Jean died from the EMP she spoke of the future the same way quire did when he was dying,
a logical person would then have reason to believe that they transcended space and time as they were both in the WHR and confused which causes mortal concepts to bleed together. No matter how old it is or how powerful it is the Phoenix (host) is like a child learning to walk in the mortal coil, it comes to do work, but the emotions of it's host are enough to deter it because it is a creature of passion. The Phoenix knew that Jean was gonna die soon and after she was reborn in the sun Jean knew too. Like I said show Ion doing something that would worry the Phoenix let alone put her down at full power without her caring about the cosmic balance and this will end, but it better be good.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"

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This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"

what is even more interesting is that you obviously can't read, marvel claims she is the big bang I just stated that they have written it enough and more often then any other big bang theory you have posted which is usually coming from the perspective of a marvel mortal. What we do know is that the M'Kraan is called the end of all that is, and when somebody tries to tap it's power, the power inside the crystal is the Phoenix (WHR), which according to the Watcher will consume all that is to make room for a new universe, by way of a spark which probably crackled and popped from the old fire like when there are a few embers in the fire place and one spark can cause the whole thing to start all over when fuel (matter) is applied.

Originally posted by LordKaos

what is even more interesting is that you obviously can't read

Be a man and acknowledge Phoenix isn't any Big Bang dogs,
Phoenix has never even created a Galaxy before.

Please.

Originally posted by LordKaos

marvel claims she is the big bang
I just stated that they have written it enough
and more often then any other big bang theory you have posted
which is usually coming from the perspective of a marvel mortal.

Alien Entity is the the Big Bang incarnate that spawned the Marvel Universe:

Here's the REAL "Spark" that ignites the creation of the Marvel Universe through the Big Bang:

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Not only did the Alien Entity fold back all of Marvel's Space/Time

to it's Pre-Big Bang Void:

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But the Alien Entity/Reed created the "Spark" that ignites the Fires/Engines of Creation:

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And indeed, the Alien Entity even manipulated the "Spark" into motion:

"Let there be Light ... let the Universe itself ... become"

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"Perspective of a mortal?" ...

So the writers over at the Phoenix camp are Olympians? 😆

Originally posted by LordKaos

What we do know is that the M'Kraan is called the end of all that is,
and when somebody tries to tap it's power,
the power inside the crystal is the Phoenix (WHR),
which according to the Watcher will consume all that is
to make room for a new universe,
by way of a spark which probably crackled
and popped from the old fire
like when there are a few embers in the fire place
and one spark can cause the whole thing to start all over when fuel (matter) is applied. [/B]

You just made that whole story up,
except for the Watcher being proven wrong on panel with action.

As for Mkraan being "the end of all that is" ... lmfao

On Panel the Mkraan shattered!

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Phoenix and all the X-Men try to repair the Lattice of the Mkraan ... but fail,

the Mkraan Crystal is unleashed:

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One Reality (a Single universe) is affected:

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Dweller in Darkness clears it up for us:

"Soon the Mkraan Crystal will shatter and That Universe will be forfeit"
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But anyway

from the very beginning the Watcher stated it to be a Single Reality:

"This is one such Universe"

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Is this "the end of all that is?" 😬

Come back when this crystal does something even remotely close to that.

Hey, here's the Multiversal Big Bang On Panel: (Not just TALK, TALK TALK)

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The BIG BANG is ENTROPY!

ENTROPY becomes ETERNITY!

and everything begins again.

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Alien Entity spawned the Marvel Universe by personifying the Big Bang!

Entropy recycles the Marvel Universe by personifying the Big Bang!

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SHow us Phoenix doing this, and I'll concede,
but I know all there is to know about the burning chic,
and that will be impossible.

So again,
that claim is hyperbole, and isn't reference in ANY Handbook whatsoever.

Unlike Entropy and the Alien Entity who are recognized.

so to try and prove me wrong you dissect the parts of my last post that anybody can see stem from me using logic and not verbatim? Instead of actually dealing with the parts that show that you will post every kind of big bang conceived in marvel save the one that has been consistent? OK you win MJJ created me you, Phoenix, God everything and Roma and Merlyn knew about it way before the rest of us, because you obviously can't prove that anything you believe makes Ion win, just in case you forgot why this all started. If you want to control the flow of thread make your own. I didn't read your other post as you have been become painfully predictible, "blah blah blah scan scan scan jim jaspers omniverse who is Ion" that about sums it up right? that entire post is my take on it of course it's hyperbole genius, but let us not ignore all the facts in previous posts, this is the GF vs. PF all over again and still you offer nothing new which makes you less and less interesting everytime

@Mr. Master, the nukes have little to do with the destruction of the time line. AoA was going to be wiped out, due to Bishops actions in regards to Legion and its time manipulation’s that brought forth a reality that was never meant to be.

The nukes happen to drop at around the same time, when Bishop ended up killing Legion. Thus Jean intervention’s neutralizes both threats, within the containment chamber. (what’s the point of saving the universe to save Earth, when Earth was going to be ravaged by nuclear bombardment).

Originally posted by LordKaos

so to try and prove me wrong you dissect the parts of my post that anybody can see stem from me using logic and not verbatim? Instead of actually dealing with the parts that show that you will post every kind of big bang conceived in marvel save the one that has been consistent?

And yet has never been depicted On Panel.

Post this special issue that only have,
where the Phoenix is consistently shown exercising her Big Bang role.

Otherwise, you still got nada but two hyperbolic empty statements.

Originally posted by LordKaos

OK you win MJJ created me you, Phoenix, God everything and Roma and Merlyn knew about it way before the rest of us

Originally posted by LordKaos

because you obviously can't prove that anything you believe makes Ion win, just in case you forgot why this all started.

If you want to control the flow of thread make your own.
I didn't read your other post as you have been become painfully predictible, "blah blah blah scan scan scan jim jaspers omniverse who is Ion" that about sums it up right?

Bottomline:

You claimed Phoenix is the Big Bang,
I PROVED you wrong.

You claimed Phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy, 😂 (that's still wiki funny)
I PROVED you wrong.

You claimed the Mkraan is the end of all that is,
I PROVED you wrong.

PROVEN ... and all with On Panel evidence.

You on the other hand have only proven to be full of unsupported empty claims,
with an attitude no less.
Meh, gives me more pleasure in doing my job to be honest.

Originally posted by id369
[B]@Mr. Master, the nukes have little to do with the destruction of the time line. AoA was going to be wiped out, due to Bishops actions in regards to Legion and its time manipulation’s that brought forth a reality that was never meant to be.

The nukes happen to drop at around the same time, when Bishop ended up killing Legion. Thus Jean intervention’s neutralizes both threats, within the containment chamber. (what’s the point of saving the universe to save Earth, when Earth was going to be ravaged by nuclear bombardment).

When did you prove me wrong you have never proved me wrong, you have never proved anything to anybody or these ceaseless threads would end. You proved that maybe the Phoenix is omnivrsal because she must have seriously wronged you in this reality. Fact: other than down the Phoenix without showing her opponents superiority you have nothing to add to this thread, you saw the word Phoenix and jumped at the chance to say nothing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you're right, that makes the feat even less impressive imo.
I would've preferred her stopping universe busting nukes.

🙄

I have a question. If Entropy replaced Eternity, what happened to the embodiment of Entropy?

universe busting nukes? what the hell are those, the universe is full of nuclear things, I think they call them stars which apparently die without the Phoenix, just ask your pal Galactus.

Originally posted by LordKaos

When did you prove me wrong you have never proved me wrong,
you have never proved anything to anybody

Originally posted by Mr Master

Meaningless drivel,
go away if you can't take being proven wrong again, and again, and again.

Bottomline:

You claimed Phoenix is the Big Bang,
I PROVED you wrong.

You claimed Phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy, 😂 (that's still wiki funny)
I PROVED you wrong.

You claimed the Mkraan is the end of all that is,
I PROVED you wrong.

PROVEN ... and all with On Panel evidence.

You on the other hand have only proven to be full of unsupported empty claims,
with an attitude no less.
Meh, gives me more pleasure in doing my job to be honest.

Originally posted by LordKaos

or these ceaseless threads would end.

I show you the Big Bang on panel that spawned Marvel,
and the Big Bang that recycles Marvel, (neither of which was Phoenix)
and you're still in denial.

I showed you the Mkraan Crystal shattering and only remaking ONE Reality,
and you're still in denial. (NOT the end of all that is)

I showed you, heck even GS and id admit Phoenix is a Universal power,
but you're under the delusion she's the embodiment of all psionic energy.
(nothing greater than universal feats)

Originally posted by LordKaos

You proved that maybe the Phoenix is omnivrsal
because she must have seriously wronged you in this reality.

I have never even by mistake claimed,
or have come near the possibility of proving Phoenix to be omniversal.

Get off the crack.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Fact: other than down the Phoenix without showing her opponents superiority you have nothing to add to this thread, you saw the word Phoenix and jumped at the chance to say nothing.

Originally posted by id369
I have a question. If Entropy replaced Eternity, what happened to the embodiment of Entropy?

Probably the same thing that happened when MJJ supposedly replaced Eternity, nothing. Entropy=Chaos, Dark Phoenix=Chaosbringer or is that more hyperbole, and not the kind of hyperbole that makes MJJ the creator of the universe and Wanda the controller of the chaos wave or the Goblin Force the being that stomped a hostless Phoenix, or the kind that make Havok with the Nexus more powerful than everybody except your top two, even though he can't tap it on his own, like Jean can tap the Phoenix without absorbing or using external forces or objects.

Originally posted by id369
I have a question. If Entropy replaced Eternity,
what happened to the embodiment of Entropy?

Until then, it lies withIn Eternity like Abraxas.

Originally posted by LordKaos

universe busting nukes?
what the hell are those, the universe is full of nuclear things,
I think they call them stars which apparently die without the Phoenix,
just ask your pal Galactus.

In fact, there are many universes right now self-efficient, no need for Phoenix,
they're being sustained by entities that either embody or rule said universes.

It's been proven On Panel that life can sustain itself even without Stars,
like when the Human os that alternate world did so,
when the "Entity" (a mixture of Eternity/Death/Mutants
left their native universe abandoning Earth.
Meh, Earth endured withOUT Stars,
while the Universe around them collapsed,
they did it with their own powers. (just one of many examples)

Adding on to the to Phoenix and the Stars.

The stars begin to blink out, by forcibly removing the Phoenix and its host. We have no real idea, what would happen if the Phoenix was to be killed off entirely. It does have other roles aside from burning away that which does not work. But then again, the Phoenix is supposed to be un killable, mutalable, cosmic force.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Probably the same thing that happened when MJJ supposedly replaced Eternity, nothing.

You been on a terrible streak today homie.

"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"

... I made the Stars" (told ya this is easily remedied) 🙂

Nah, you just talking JJ:

... oops, guess not.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Entropy=Chaos,
Dark Phoenix=Chaosbringer or is that more hyperbole

Please don't compare the two.

Entropy re-created the entire freakin Multiverse in a flash.

Originally posted by LordKaos

and not the kind of hyperbole that makes MJJ the creator of the universe
and Wanda the controller of the chaos wave
or the Goblin Force the being that stomped a hostless Phoenix,
or the kind that make Havok with the Nexus more powerful than everybody except your top two,
even though he can't tap it on his own,
like Jean can tap the Phoenix without absorbing or using external forces or objects.

I hope you are, so I can a have myself some fun.

That's also weird because when you wanted to prove the HCT was not the future of 616 or even a real universe you were more than ready to call 616 the prime universe from which all others spring, so according to you as long as there is a 616 Phoenix all other universes are safe. That universe you mentioned before that collapsed, was obviously at the end of it's life as it has been stated on panel that humanity will replace the abstracts and the universe will begin anew. Then humans there were the culmination of the celestials experiments, they evolved into Eternity. I'm not seeing your point. How does this make the Phoenix less important/powerful, or Ion win?

Originally posted by id369
[B]Adding on to the to Phoenix and the Stars.

The stars begin to blink out, by forcibly removing the Phoenix and its host.

Roma clearly told Galactus he could NOT separate the two,
for it would slay both.

Which is true, this is why the natural sustenance of the stars was fading out.

Originally posted by id369

We have no real idea,
what would happen if the Phoenix was to be killed off entirely.

Originally posted by id369

It does have other roles aside from burning away that which does not work.

[QUOTE=10399505]Originally posted by id369

But then again, the Phoenix is supposed to be un killable, mutalable, cosmic force.

Also when the Neutron Galaxy was absorbing Phoenix.