Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

Originally posted by LordKaos

When she took the timeline to the WHR,
the decision of what to do with it had not been made until after much dialog, Quire talked about what he thought should happen to it,
but it was because Jean remembered her friends and family that after taking it there
she decided to fix it.

"after much dialogue?" ... hum

(First time Jean appears with this Future in her hands,
in the SAME Page ... Jean fixes this Future)

Next panel: (Job done)

"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,

not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"

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The Quentin Quire moment is on the second to last page way after this.

Originally posted by LordKaos

The purpose of taking it to the WHR was for examination,
(mostly of herself as she had suddenly transcened to the status of White Crown, and had no idea what that meant until she recieved enlightenemt from the consciousness) had she known what to do while she was in the universe she could have fixed it or destroyed it without taking it as

I read the entire arc,
and all corresponding bios,
never heard of this anywhere.

Originally posted by LordKaos

she already had tk control over the entire thing during the trip into the WHR.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I wonder how many more posts it's going to take until GS, and MM start debating each other...

I'd say less than 40 posts (or 2 pages). Probably 15 posts...

9 posts and MM made a gesture, and took 14 posts for MM to respond fully. I'm pretty good.

She nearly killed it because she is supposed to burn away what doesn't work, she found a way to make it work by finding out her new role as White Phoenix, in that new role she is not governed by the consciousness she is one with it, so she can make changes to what the Phoenix does because she is no longer a host or merely the house where Phoenix lives she is Phoenix, the power within the crystal, essentially the power that floats around the WHR. When she ascended she brought it with her, where else could it have gone if not to the WHR? You can talk in all the circles you want the point being you know nothing of Ion and live for down playing the Phoenix so unless you know a way Ion is equipped to take her out you're presence only complicates matters and makes a thread go for pages of rhetoric.

yawn I love how cats just make shit up.

Anywho ...
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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ooh.

9 posts and MM made a gesture, and took 14 posts for MM to respond fully.

I'm pretty good.

Originally posted by LordKaos
She nearly killed it because she is supposed to burn away what doesn't work, she found a way to make it work by finding out her new role as White Phoenix, in that new role she is not governed by the consciousness she is one with it, so she can make changes to what the Phoenix does because she is no longer a host or merely the house where Phoenix lives she is Phoenix, the power within the crystal, essentially the power that floats around the WHR. When she ascended she brought it with her, where else could it have gone if not to the WHR? You can talk in all the circles you want the point being you know nothing of Ion and live for down playing the Phoenix so unless you know a way Ion is equipped to take her out you're presence only complicates matters and makes a thread go for pages of rhetoric.

prove it show me him having enough power to beat something that will always come back no matter how much others don't like it. Ion is no more the Phoenix ain't went nowhere since her conception. Say what you want she is forever, just ask marvel, they are the ones who said she is the big bang, the nexus of all psionic energy, the end of all that is etc... and everytime they bring her back she gets an upgrade it is them not me that wants you to know that she is the most powerful, she is not in the hierarchy because those who are in it know she is seperate from them, the only cosmic who is bold enough to manifest on the earth plane without an m-body.

Wha?try making sense when you talk,and go read some ion comics or look at a respect thread,ion had complete control over time and space in the dc universe he could do anything he wanted with it,hell he was omnipresent was all over the universe in current time and past times as well,phoenix on the other hand has to use the whitehot room for her only really good feat and ion does his stuff effortlessly,the spectre talks to ion like an equal,and of course this was all before he got a massive powerup,ion at his strongest would show phoenix the meaning of true power.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

Regardless of what mr m knows or doesnt know

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

ion will **** phoenix up.

Ion at his most powerful is stronger in my opinion.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

phoenix on the other hand has to use the whitehot room for her only really good feat

Phoenix can destroy a "What if" universe outside the whr.

Phoenix can psychically connect to every being in an alternate universe.

Phoenix has never created a universe or even a pocket universe ... alternate or not.

Sir Mad Jims Jaspers was neutralized by a universe ending device. Phoenix saved an entire Universe from being wiped out. So much for reality warpers.

crap and more crap I don't need any of you to speculate unless you have real feats that put him above, if you had any I'm sure they would have come up pages ago, so until then Jean/Phoenix wins IMO of course. He can control space and time the thread says this is the full power of the Phoenix (who has no known limits so far) a power that can linger long enough after the end of all that is to start another. Maybe you should read an Ion comic since you only seem to be able to give feats done by Parallax.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Say what you want she is forever,
just ask marvel,
they are the ones who said she is the big bang,
the nexus of all psionic energy, the end of all that is etc...

I would love to see Phoenix creating a Universe,
how about a pocket dimension,
no, uhh, a Galaxy?

pointandlaugh "she is the big bang"

The original 616 Big Bang was the Infinity Being,
NOW the original 616 Big Bang is the Alien Entity,
literally depicted committing the ACT ... On Panel ... in FF #531-532:

PROVEN on page 1: ... Alien Entity created the SPARK and ignited the Big Bang!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=481143&pagenumber=1

And you KNOW this cause I showed it to ya already,
fanboys are easy to spot.

Originally posted by LordKaos

and everytime they bring her back she gets an upgrade it is them not me that wants you to know that she is the most powerful,

Then Vulcan went tearing shit up in the WHR.

Originally posted by LordKaos

she is not in the hierarchy
because those who are in it know she is seperate from them,
the only cosmic who is bold enough to manifest on the earth plane
without an m-body.

Holy, this is getting saved.

Yall gotta Read this!

why would love seeing her create a universe when you said that such a feat would be meaningless in a battle? I would love to see MJJ warp the omniverse but he can only do that in your dreams

Originally posted by LordKaos
why would love seeing her create a universe when you said that such a feat would be meaningless in a battle? I would love to see MJJ warp the omniverse but he can only do that in your dreams

Creating a universes is not part of the Phoenix Job IRRC. Hell Logan points out, she can vary well reshape the universe to her will. Jean corrects him and lets him know that the Phoenix more or less burns away that which doesn’t work.

Originally posted by id369

Sir Mad Jims Jaspers was neutralized by a universe ending device.
Phoenix saved an entire Universe from being wiped out.
So much for reality warpers.

When have those nukes EVER erased a Universe?

Celestial Nullifier erases Universes (Time/Space) On Panel proven,
show us those nukes doing anything prior,

otherwise, HYPERBOLE!

Oh I see, you think those nukes delivered a universe exploding effect,
and Phoenix contained it with her power. 😂
Nah, the nukes were crushed before they can be set off completely.

Btw. Fury survived the CN unscathed,
and Jaspers 616 is immune to nullification.

So much for reality warpers indeed.

Phoenix on the other hand,
was getting rubbed out of existence by a true Universal remaker,
the Neutron Galaxy:

Meh, a simple planetary EMP will do the job,
on both Jean and the Phoenix Force itself,

=== "nexus of all psionic energy?" ===

Come on, even you're laughing id. 😆

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Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey ... and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself:

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On Panel:

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Beast remembers:

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Bio:

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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"

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This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"

[QUOTE=10399074]Originally posted by id369
Something that must be kept in mind, is its comic role or purpose.

Creating a universes is not part of the Phoenix Job IRRC. Hell Logan points out, she can vary well reshape the universe to her will. Jean corrects him and lets him know that the Phoenix more or less burns away that which doesn’t work.
🤘

Originally posted by LordKaos

why would love seeing her create a universe
when you said that such a feat would be meaningless in a battle?

BUT ...

You got nothing but empty bravado to offer,
ahh, go away.

You claim Phoenix is the Big Bang,
well then, prove it,
show us Phoenix creating/becoming a Big Bang,
how about the Big Bang of a pocket dimension?

No?

How about the Big Bang of a Galaxy?

No?

Jeez, too bad, I can SHOW you the original Big bang taht spawned the Marvel Universe,
ON PANEL actually/literally happening!

(the Alien Entity) +++ FF #532-532

I can even show you yet another being manifesting as the Multiversal Big Bang.

(Entropy) +++ Captain Marvel #5-6

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But you got NADA on Phoenix demonstrating her Big Bang qualities even at the Galactic level. 🙁

Originally posted by LordKaos

I would love to see MJJ warp the omniverse but he can only do that in your dreams

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Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

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That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

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Did you know that what Phoenix did in Here Comes Tomorrow,
took place in a possible alternate future?

stoned

Originally posted by LordKaos

Something that must be kept in mind, is its comic role or purpose.

Creating a universes is not part of the Phoenix Job IRRC.

So, it's a Big Bang that only burns away material huh. Nice. dur

How easily you tie yourself up friend.

Bop to that with your fingers up.

Weird because when endsong came out it was the Shi'ar who caused the shattering, as Jean died from the EMP she spoke of the future the same way quire did when he was dying, a logical person would then have reason to believe that they transcended space and time as they were both in the WHR and confused which causes mortal concepts to bleed together. No matter how old it is or how powerful it is the Phoenix (host) is like a child learning to walk in the mortal coil, it comes to do work, but the emotions of it's host are enough to deter it because it is a creature of passion. The Phoenix knew that Jean was gonna die soon and after she was reborn in the sun Jean knew too. Like I said show Ion doing something that would worry the Phoenix let alone put her down at full power without her caring about the cosmic balance and this will end, but it better be good.