whats so hard to understand that he beat him by Having Thor be one strike from killing him and then having Hulk not even hit him untill Rulk began trying to kill him and overheated.
Hulk didnt really do anything for real
Thor had just beat the helll out of him and was about to kill him when hulk tackled rulk.
so yea your wrong
Originally posted by jalek moye
1st of all Hitttting people while they arnt looking doesn't cause to just randomly get your ass beat if it doesn't drop you you can still fight back. Second that jump did not hurt him and Thor just got beat up by rulk so he should actually be more worn out yet wasnt. And rulk doesn't get weaker as he gets madd he gets hotter and i guess after enough heat he overheats and passes out which it seemed he was about to do then Hulk punched him. But he was not near that point when Thor was about to kill him
Have you ever been sucker punched in your life ? And that's the point, Rulk couldn't fight back, as seen in the scans. He was sucker punched, and Thor continued pounding on him until Green Hulk intervened.
Have you got proof that the jump didn't hurt him in the least ? Because Rulk being actually surprised that he survived the jump certainly suggests that he was.
Rulk being mad is getting him hotter which weakened him to the point where the Green Hulk was able to knock him out. He was depicted as getting mad pre and most likely during the Thor fight (or are you suggesting that getting your ass kicked after being suckered-punched and not getting the time to fight back didn't anger him ?) so he was not as his best. I don't find it that hard to understand.
yes i have been sucker punched and its not anwhere near as bad as people think, unless you get sucker punched by a guy who you already can barely take his punch.
He was also suprised that he beat thor whats your point, he's suprised because he isn't naturally like this he got his powers from samson and ross.
Ok so basically anytime he starts losing a fight your gonn a say he wasnt at his best because he started getting mad. Because When he first landed he was fine and about to go beat up the hulk again when thor came, so if he got mad while getting beat up then thats normal.
When you're not ready for an attack, it affects you a lot more than if you are face to face with the guy and he hits you. I don't see what the problem is exactly. What are you debating, that there isn't a difference between getting suckered punched and getting punched while bracing yourself for the attack ?
How about I go for what's stated on panel instead of your personal, quite illogical interpretation of what is stated ?
And we seem to move further and futher away from where I was trying to get, and you don't really seem to add anything new to the table anyway.
Rulk defeated Thor in a straight up-fight, no outside interference or sucker-punching involved,when Thor was 'fresh', which counts a lot more as far as a one-on-one fighting between them goes than Thor sucker punching him while he was fighting another person, with Rulk not even being at his best.
If you can truly shrugg off the hit likes it nothing a sucker punch really won't hurt that much.
And Rulk was not any weaker then when he fought Thor the first time just because he was suprised that he was capable of making the jump doesn't mean he was inuured seeing how he was easily back up and fighting Hulk once hulk grabbed him. And before you say how he was over heating that didn't happen till the very end theres no eveidence to state that it effects his ability untill it maxes out.
Originally posted by jalek moye
If you can truly shrugg off the hit likes it nothing a sucker punch really won't hurt that much.
Care to show me when Rulk shrugged a hammer thrown by Thor like it was nothing ? And it is actually the surprise attack, coupled with the continuous pounding he gave Rulk that gave Thor the upper hand.
Also to note is that despite the fact that at the beginning of the fight Rulk shrugged a hammer shot to the face relativly easily, here Thor puts Hulk on his knees using only 2 hammer strikes , while he was braced for the attack.
As for your other post, I already explained to you why Hulk wasn't at his best (besides the moon-Earth trip), so I'm not going to adress it.
I repeat.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Rulk defeated Thor in a straight up-fight, no outside interference or sucker-punching involved,when Thor was 'fresh', which counts a lot more as far as a one-on-one fighting between them goes than Thor sucker punching him while he was fighting another person, with Rulk not even being at his best.
I am pretty sure that Rulk in last issue was drastically weaker than before, in the first five issues. But I think now he will become even more powerful and will clear with Sentry and others.
Thor surely didn't seem to hold back against Rulk in the first fight, it seemed he wanted to kill him, while Rulk made a joke out of him and his hammer.
Rulk also said something happen to him and blamed Hulk for that. He saw some changes in him. He was clearly weaker than before.
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
RedHulk wins. Only green hulk can beat Red Hulk and hulk#6 proved me right. Hulk beat Rulk, Thor got beaten by Rulk.Hulk > Rulk > Thor
It's so easy to understand
It seems that in 2nd fight if not for Thor Rulk would have defaet him. And it seems Rulk was nowhere near close as in first five issues.
That Rulk would beat Thor and Hulk combined.
Originally posted by jalek moye
yes i have been sucker punched and its not anwhere near as bad as people think
Ok. Come on, be serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVqGHxFwmE
That punch wouldn't close knock Nakao out for 30 minutes, if he would be prepared or in the actual fight with such punch.
If you are not ready, it does a lot more than if you are.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Rulk defeated Thor in a straight up-fight, no outside interference or sucker-punching involved,when Thor was 'fresh', which counts a lot more as far as a one-on-one fighting between them goes than Thor sucker punching him while he was fighting another person, with Rulk not even being at his best.
He TOOK Thor's hammer in space.
That doesn't scream PIS to you?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPersonally I think that first fight was a joke. Thor was coming to fight the Green Hulk. That's who he thought he was fighting in the beginning.
When you're not ready for an attack, it affects you a lot more than if you are face to face with the guy and he hits you. I don't see what the problem is exactly. What are you debating, that there isn't a difference between getting suckered punched and getting punched while bracing yourself for the attack ?How about I go for what's stated on panel instead of your personal, quite illogical interpretation of what is stated ?
And we seem to move further and futher away from where I was trying to get, and you don't really seem to add anything new to the table anyway.
Rulk defeated Thor in a straight up-fight, no outside interference or sucker-punching involved,when Thor was 'fresh', which counts a lot more as far as a one-on-one fighting between them goes than Thor sucker punching him while he was fighting another person, with Rulk not even being at his best.
I think personally the first fight was the standard Thor fight where he generally holds back quite a bit allowing people more of a chance then they should.
I mean if you want to look at it as two separate fights fights(even though it really was just one). Everyone seems to be ignoring the vast fact that not only did Thor come back fast, he basically just shrugged off the best hits that Rulk could dish out while having his hammer.
So I wouldn't even count the first fight as a win for Rulk seeing as Thor was up in possibly a matter of seconds and wasn't even KOed.
On the other hand while Thor was wailing into Rulk it was pretty evident that Rulk was going to go down and not get back up.
So then Thor gets beaten up and gets right back up from Rulk's best.
Rulk was about to be killed/koed from Thor's.
You do the math.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoNormally yes that is true.
havent read the issue, but i thought only thor, or those who are "worthy" can lift the damn hammer? or is that enchantment gone coz odin dead?
And right now we don't know if Odin's death has had an effect on the hammer. It was hinted at though.
Originally posted by Newjak
Personally I think that first fight was a joke. Thor was coming to fight the Green Hulk. That's who he thought he was fighting in the beginning.I think personally the first fight was the standard Thor fight where he generally holds back quite a bit allowing people more of a chance then they should.
Good thing after the first attack, he realized he isn't fighting a normal Hulk, eh ?
And personal opinions aren't really relevant in this discussion, especially since they contradict what was shown on-panel.
Originally posted by Newjak
I mean if you want to look at it as two separate fights fights(even though it really was just one). Everyone seems to be ignoring the vast fact that not only did Thor come back fast, he basically just shrugged off the best hits that Rulk could dish out while having his hammer.
Not two separate fights ?
You mean Rulk didn't kick the crap out of Thor in the first fight, flew to the moon and left him there, went back to earth, started another fight with Green Hulk when Thor came and sucker punched him ?
Right ..
Yeah, he certainly shrugged off the best hits that Rulk could dish out. Look at him shrugging them off:
I mean it's not like he was down in 5 hits, apparently unconscious and dragged to the moon.
Originally posted by Newjak
So I wouldn't even count the first fight as a win
I should have stopped reading here, delete my reply and just ignore you but ..
Originally posted by Newjak
So I wouldn't even count the first fight as a win for Rulk seeing as Thor was up in possibly a matter of seconds and wasn't even KOed.On the other hand while Thor was wailing into Rulk it was pretty evident that Rulk was going to go down and not get back up.
So then Thor gets beaten up and gets right back up from Rulk's best.
Rulk was about to be killed/koed from Thor's.
You do the math.
Thor only survived because Hulk let him. Even Thor sugests that if Rulk wanted, he could have killed him:
In the 2nd fight, Thor sucker punched him, while he was fighting another guy, and Thor managed to get the advantage.
Anyway, I'm done with this. I'm not about to get involved in this discussion with every Thor fan who comes to this thread and tries to make excuses.
